What Should Liberals Do About Elon Musk?
Elon Musk dominated the news cycle again last week, and again the stories revolved around his favorite pastime. On April 10, five days after buying 9.2 percent stake in Twitter, the company announced that he would not be joining its board. Instead, Musk announced on Thursday that he wanted to buy the company for $43 billion. His announcement sent the stock price soaring and prompted nervous jitters from tech journalists, business experts, and Twitter’s board itself. Despite these fears, most observers believe the announcement was a bluff. As Jen Wieczner noted last week in New York
Some have questioned whether Musk actually wants to own Twitter; his offer lists the source of funds for the purchase, instead of his personal fortune, as “other.” While he should have actually secured the funding this time — if he has learned anything from past mistakes — most of his wealth is bound up in Tesla stock, not sitting around in cash.
The Twitter debacle underscores just how much attention Elon Musk can garner for himself at any one time. He is not just the richest person in the world at this moment, with a wealth greater than the GDP of Portugal. He is also a cultural institution, having hosted SNL, been parodied on The Simpsons, and been a part of dozens of news cycles and hundreds of story headlines over the past ten years. It seems as though no matter how influential or wealthy he becomes there is only room to go up, a concept that terrifies his opponents and energizes his many fans.
Musk is such a polarizing figure precisely because of the dual nature of his personality. At different times, he has taken actions that have enraged both liberals and conservatives in equal measure. Through Tesla, he has radically improved the stature and availability of electric cars throughout the country. Electric car sales since the first Tesla was introduced have gone from about 5,000 to more than 600,000 in 2021. The goal of the much-maligned Boring Company is to further that work in the field of public transportation. Musk has done more to turn the nation’s economy greener than almost any other single person.
There is a reason why his environmental work is not covered in most liberal publications’ blurb on Musk’s reputation. They skip over Tesla and Space-X to focus on Musk as the conservative icon he has become. Most retrospectives start with the 2018 Thai cave rescue and Musk’s libel of one of those rescuers for rejecting the entrepreneur’s help. That moment is seen as a turning point, one where Musk went from a tacit liberal ally to a conservative leader, a critic of censorship and “wokeness” and a lodestar for tech bros everywhere. Later questionable episodes included an appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the peddling of questionable cryptocurrency ventures, attacks on liberal economic policies, and countless instances of immature or trolling behavior.
Liberals would very much like to silence Musk or curb his influence. He is both a peddler of conservative ideas and an obscenely wealthy individual. Musk throws about his wealth and influence in a casual way, making jokes that highlight his billions of dollars and launching poorly founded attacks on admired individuals like Bernie Sanders. He clearly opposes any attempts at redistributing his wealth or regulating his business activities. At the same time, Musk has made numerous comments that put people in danger or threaten the confidence of financial markets. In most cases, liberals do not even consider his environmental work or the achievements of his companies. They just want him to go away.
But Musk clearly isn’t going anywhere. Democrats are having a hard time passing any new taxes or regulating anything. Their 50-vote threshold in the Senate has made it impossible for the party to overcome lobbyist objections or pass a substantial Build Back Better plan. Proposals like Biden’s wealth tax landed with a dud. Progressives are prioritizing executive orders and waging the culture war. Democrats are finding it difficult to curb the wealth of any billionaire, let alone the world’s richest man. But there may be another way to solve the Musk problem.
Elon Musk is clearly bored with his status at the top of the economic hierarchy. He has more money than he knows what to do with. His wealth is orders of magnitude more than the wealthiest citizens of towns and small cities. At a certain point, that level of wealth provides diminishing returns. A millionaire can afford to stay two weeks at the Plaza Hotel in New York, for instance. Musk could buy private jets with only a few months of income or one quarterly dividend. A club or a service that only exists for billionaires would cater to a small group scattered across the globe and would not be financially viable. Other billionaires in Musk’s position have set up massive charitable foundations or started political ventures. Some have gone into space.
While Musk has obtained nearly everything he could want, he has not solved the problem of climate change. That issue has captivated the imagination of countless activists, scientists, and green entrepreneurs. These men and women have devoted their lives to warning the public and trying to foster the resources and behavioral changes necessary to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere. Many observers believe that the most fruitful area on the front against climate change is in the realm of technological development. Solar and wind power need better batteries and more efficient collectors. Green energy projects need to take up less land in order to optimize the zoning concessions that they receive from local governments. These developments need money, visibility, and organization, factors that Musk could easily supply if he focused his entire attention and fortune to the problem.
Therefore, Democrats and liberals should at least consider some sort of grant program, cultural drive, or organizational announcement to put Elon Musk in charge of a private campaign to fight climate change. He would not lead the government’s response or influence their scientists, but would be a public face of the green energy and renewal approach. Musk would enjoy the adulation of Twitter and the celebrities of the world as he tackled this technological challenge or that regulatory barrier. He would focus his immense power more on oil company lobbyists and recalcitrant politicians than on a handful of Twitter liberals.
Most importantly, Musk could frame his fight as a bipartisan one. He could go after the members of the left who use environmental reviews and local council meetings to protect wealthy landowners by killing green projects. Musk could paint these opponents as “woke” hypocrites who his policies would undermine. At the same time, his project would continue the war that Tesla started against oil companies which have sponsored numerous barriers against electric cars. Musk can rally against these companies using the libertarian, anti-corporate ethos that has made limited headway among conservatives in recent years, especially so-called free thinkers like Joe Rogan who Musk loves.
Democrats do not have to love Elon Musk in order to enlist his help. They do not have to laugh at his jokes. They do not need to become fans who buy Dogecoin and support all of his hare-brained schemes. But Democrats do need to realize that bored billionaires threaten the country and its political system. Elon Musk is not yet a sworn enemy like Peter Thiel or Charles Koch. He is a builder of electric cars and a man who could do good in the world. If it takes encouraging words and an activist campaign to push Musk to save the planet, Democrats should be all in.
Let’s just say I have little faith in the ability of the further lefts ability to manage an ego like Musk without shooting their own damn foot off and making an enemy of him.Report
I dislike the base concept that liberals qua liberals have much of a problem with Musk. I mean he clearly violates SEC rules by using his celebrity to inflate stock assets to his own profit and so should be fined etc accordingly but the people he mostly ticks off seem to be leftists on the verging on antiliberal fringe. As for Twitter- I wish him well and hope Musk burns it to the ground.
That said the idea of enlisting him to help fight climate change seems like good idea to me. Dunno if Musk himself would go for it though. Most billionaires don’t seem to have much mental interest in ideas they don’t come up with themselves (or claim to anyhow).Report
I’m with you. When Elon does good he is good. When Elon does bad he is bad. I won’t shed tears if his taxes go up or the workers on the Tesla floor decide to unionize but I don’t see him as an enemy either.
Generally I don’t think we should be in the business of lionizing billionaires (and I gather he has a… strange cult of personality) but of all of those to specifically go after he strikes me as a strange choice, for the reasons Marche states below. His companies have at least in theory developed some useful things that could eventually scale for everyone. If we’re going to have billionaires that’s what we want them to do, as opposed to just playing financial market roulette or strip and sell value they didn’t create.Report
As is so often the case we have nothing to disagree about on this.Report
The entire concept behind Tesla is to fight climate change. I don’t think anyone needs to “enlist” Musk to fight climate change. He’s already done more to fight climate change than most people on the planet. Consciously.
I do think most will have a hard time getting him to do anything other than exactly what he thinks is the best thing to do. And he’s definitely not an orthodox thinker.Report
In a different field, Elon’s SpaceX is the only outfit that looks like they started from “return humans from a Mars landing” and worked backwards to what they needed. Heck, even NASA’s Artemis project lunar landing and return reeks of, “…and then SpaceX provides a miracle or two.”
Now, the question is whether Congress will continue to pour all that money down the SLS/Orion rat hole, or just give SpaceX the (relatively smaller amount of) money to just do it.Report
It does seem interesting how people seem to be equating Twitter with free speech, as if the loss of Twitter would somehow gravely impact the free exchange of
memesideas.ReportI think its loss would impact the process of communicating on the internet- to wit I suspect it’d improve it.Report
Interesting post, Elon.Report
Why should liberals, as such, “do” anything about Elon Musk in particular? And do they want to? (Calling him out for being an a*****e doesn’t count as “doing” anything.) When he breaks rules or laws, he should be whacked like any other rich miscreant. And Musk may be a useful poster boy for policies that might mitigate the malign influence that the uber-rich in general — not just Musk — have over entirely too much of the world. I suppose there is a “non-zero” number of Twitterati and so forth that make stupid noises about Musk. It’s a big country, after all. But as far as I can tell there is no Musk problem to solve and damn few people, especially damn few consequential people, who think there is one and want to do something about him, in particular. Pointing and laughing, again, doesn’t count.Report
Wait wait wait.
You’re saying that liberals want Elon Musk treated just like any other citizen??
Not to be treated as the Big Man On Horseback, the Cincinattus who is given complete power to solve all problems while we all stand around watching in awed and humble silence?
Or to be treated as an Enemy Of The State and have the government pass laws that target him for daring to speak out in opposition?
This idea of yours, that he is no different than you or I, seems radical. No wonder liberals are struggling.Report
F. Scott Fitzgerald: “The rich are different.”
Ernest Hemingway: “Yes. They have more money.”Report
I propose that liberals do…nothing…about Elon Musk.Report
I’m no expert here, but hasn’t he done more for green energy technology than anyone else?Report
“He is both a peddler of conservative ideas and an obscenely wealthy individual”
He’s clearly wealthy probably obscenely so; but I can’t tell if Liberals can no longer tell what conservative ideas are or there are no conservatives whose ideas matter — probably both — but the very notion that Elon Musk is a peddler of them is a strange turn of events.
*Side note, as I’m fond of saying, the problem with Billionaires isn’t that they *have* money its that they don’t *spend* enough of it. Musk is kind of a weird use-case. On the one hand he takes his money and spends it on thing that builds other things; real things: cars, spaceships, solar panels, tunnels. Counter-point, he does tend to siphon govt subsidies for many of his projects. Counter-counter-point… govt subsidies are designed to attract capital by reducing risk/costs – so he’s chasing high risk endeavors where the govt wants high risk investment… spaceships, green energy, etc. But at the end of the day, unlike most billionaires (esp. Tech Billionaires like Musk) he’s actually built somethings that might actually be useful – esp. on things Liberals say they want more of … hence the govt. subsidies. Which is a long side note to say that Musk is a weird dude doing billionaire things that liberals want billionaires to do. Except mess with Twitter. Weird.Report
We can put a man on Mars, so why can’t we eliminate Twitter?Report
A decade ago he coded left and I’m pretty sure was specifically identified by the Romney campaign as an example of Obama administration environmental public-private boondoggles.Report
Yeah, I don’t think Musk has any meaningful notion of politics or policies other than those which benefit him. So Liberaltarian?Report
I pledge that if I ever achieve “Musk” $$ I will burn all social media to the ground.Report
I pledge that if I ever achieve Musk $$ I will end AI. Unless that’s how I achieved all my Musk $$.Report
The trick would be killing Twitter so that something like it doesn’t grow back. Or is there some possible way to reform it? For some reason I think about Reddit, a horrible mess but at least it has groupings. I wonder if that’d work to make Twitter a bit more fraternal. Like instead of just peer pressure to tear down, there would be peer pressure to cooperate. Definitely the blue checkmark semi-approved status has got to go. And there’s truth to the idea that a $1 per year membership fee changes people’s conduct.Report
About a decade ago, a pitcher named Armando Galarraga was one out from a perfect game when an umpire blew a call and cost him it. The call was obviously wrong and bad, clear to everyone in the moment and more egregious on replay. Folks were outraged. All, except, Galarraga, who famously shrugged it off. He was lauded for his composure and sportsmanship and everything else.
A few days or weeks later, he lost his cool over some other call he disagreed with, flipped out, and, if memory serves, was ejected from the game. Suddenly the hero and model for sportsmanship had a more complicated public image. On one of the talking head shows where they were discussing whether Galaragga was a hero or a villain, someone said something that stuck with me [paraphrased]:
“You’re never as good as you seem at your best moment nor as bad as you seem at your worst moment.”
I haven’t followed Musk closely. At least one friend is a bit of a fan boi of his but I honestly know little more about him than he is rich, smart, and weird. But he also seems like a good encapsulation of that idea: He’s neither the hero he seems to be when he’s doing good nor the villain he seems to be when he’s doing bad. He, like most folks, is somewhere in between and because he doesn’t fit neatly into a box, we struggle with him and end up with think pieces like this.
What should ANYONE do about Elon Musk? I dunno… evaluate his individual actions/words and respond accordingly. Why is anything more needed?Report
“Liberals would very much like to silence Musk or curb his influence.”
Perhaps what “liberals” could do is embrace the liberal idea of not silencing people they disagree with … Start there.Report
What’s wrong with us stripping Musk’s companies of their special privileges as punishment for saying things we dislike?Report
Just get it through the legislature first.
Unless it started as a ballot initiative. Then have a second one.Report
50-years of stoned Libertarian theory on how to end all Govt. Subsidies landed on Disney and Electric Cars.
Which proves that and $$ spent on think-tanks and policy wonks is a wasted $.Report
You mean like what Desantis is attempting with Disney in Florida?
Do you really want to live in a country where thought crimes are punished because they can be?
I personally don’t.Report
Sorry. You already do.
The support for authoritarianism is surging and doesn’t look like it is going to crest anytime soon.Report
It’s different when authoritarianism goes through the legislature first, though.
If you want to argue that there should be a set of things that don’t fall under the jurisdiction of the government except to protect those things, I might be willing to entertain the idea… I mean, I know that the game is iterated and all… but, in the short term, I think that defining anything the government does that you happen to not like as “authoritarianism” has been attempted before by people who smoked a lot more marijuana than you do.
And they failed.Report
Different why?Report
It has to do with the nature of representative government versus the nature of authoritarianism.
Like, if you see the two things as different at all, of course.
If you don’t, it might be confusing why something that would be bad if a dictator did it would be any different when it went through a representative legislature.
“I’m only interested in outcomes, I don’t care about the process!”
“Yeah, well, I’ll let you get back to critiquing authoritarianism, then.”Report
I’m not seeing any form of reasoning in here.Report
It has to do with going through a particular process via the representatives of the people first.
If you don’t see that as relevant at all, then you don’t see that as relevant at all.
Personally, I’m a fan of there being a large set of things that count as not being under the government’s jurisdiction. Then we can say “hey, the government is sticking its fingers in pies that are not its pies to stick its fingers in!” and then call that authoritarian.
What are the pies we’re upset about here?
Zoning? Taxation?
Only crazy people don’t think that zoning or taxation ought to fall under the government’s legislative powers.
And this isn’t even an executive order or anything like that. It’s a bill passed by the legislature before being signed into law by the executive.Report
Your logic is flawed and if followed will lead you to bizarre places like a generalized hostility to a republican form of governance.
But maybe reflect on your use of “going through the process” as the operative words.
That maybe it isn’t a matter of the process but the intent and outcome.Report
Your logic is flawed and if followed will lead you to bizarre places like a generalized hostility to a republican form of governance.
Heh. Hee hee hee.
But, anyway, there is an out if you believe that there are areas outside of the government’s jurisdiction.
But if you believe that everything falls under the government’s jurisdiction, you might find yourself in a situation where you’re yelling “NO DON’T LEGISLATE LIKE THAT!” instead of “Nunya”.
This might be one of those things where you can’t comprehend something not being your business, though. If you live in a world where everything that isn’t condemned is therefore celebrated, I imagine that someone saying “Nunya” comes across as them hiding something from you.Report
With no committee debate and no details. None of the normal legislative process was followed. It was basically the Governor asking the legislature – in a special session called to rubber stamp his preferred gerrymandered congressional district map – to do away with this district to retaliate against a private business exercising its First Amendment rights. No way you slice it, there’s nothing good there in process, nevermind the actual bill – which essentially increases local taxes in two counties to account for the services the counties will have to provide, including debt service. Call me nuts, but Republicans increasing taxes in two counties to get back at a business that might have embarrassed the governor is bad process, bad policy and a really bad look in an election year.Report
Well, every dark cloud has a silver lining.
I imagine that Florida will turn against Desantis and make him politically toxic before 2024.
Let’s face it: Whomever wins in 2024 will do it by winning Florida too.
So this is, ironically, good news for the Democrats in the long term.
Hurray.Report
The obvious question to ask seems to be, “The Florida constitution gives counties the authority to create special districts within their jurisdictions. What stops the two Florida counties from creating two special districts which, combined, occupy the same space as the Reedy district, with the same powers, with whatever directors Disney tells them to put on the boards, and inherit Reedy’s assets and obligations?”Report
Like I said if you begin with an flawed premise then add a string of poorly reasoned connections you will find yourself in a very strange place.
To start with:
Why do you start with the premise that authoritarianism “has to do with” going through a particular process?
How is this supported? Even a casual glance at 20th Century history shows that this is false. All manner of authoritarian and democratic governments have similar processes, with wildly different results.
Authoritarianism doesn’t “have to do with” any particular process.
Second, the shifting to “areas outside of government’s jurisdiction” is disconnected from what proceeded it- is limiting the scope of government in opposition to legislative process, or in congruence with it, or entirely unrelated?
And in any case, once again a cursory glance at history shows plenty of authoritarian governments which had limited scope, things that are “nunya” but are terrifyingly oppressive.
So none of this seems to have any logical structure that leads to any conclusion.Report
Why do you start with the premise that authoritarianism “has to do with” going through a particular process?
I am saying that there are processes that can be more authoritarian and processes that can be less authoritarian.
The “representative democracy” one is on the less side.
“BUT YOU ADMIT THAT IT *CAN* BE AUTHORITARIAN!”
Of course it can.
This is why I’m a fan of areas that fall outside of government jurisdiction.
All manner of authoritarian and democratic governments have similar processes, with wildly different results.
Um. No? They seem to all appeal to being “the voice of the people”, that’s for sure! But the 20th century had stuff like Germany, the US, *AND* the USSR.
Authoritarianism doesn’t “have to do with” any particular process.
But the ones that are representative democracies are different than the autocracies.
Second, the shifting to “areas outside of government’s jurisdiction” is disconnected from what proceeded it- is limiting the scope of government in opposition to legislative process, or in congruence with it, or entirely unrelated?
It’s connected to the whole “authoritarian” thing. If there are areas where it does not matter whether or not you are one of the “authorities”, then I get to say “Nunya”.
And in any case, once again a cursory glance at history shows plenty of authoritarian governments which had limited scope, things that are “nunya” but are terrifyingly oppressive.
Sure. Democracies as well.
But the representative democracies were different than the dictatorships.
So none of this seems to have any logical structure that leads to any conclusion.
It’s a follow-on to your assertion that “The support for authoritarianism is surging and doesn’t look like it is going to crest anytime soon.”
You seem to think that just getting the right authorities in authority will fix the problem.
I think that getting more stuff to be “Nunya” will alleviate the problem somewhat.Report
You appear to be arguing that authoritarianism flows from flawed structures and is independent of the character of the people operating the structures.
If so, “citation needed” and ” linear chain of logic needed”
Like, provide support for your assertion that representative democracies have different processes than dictatorships.Report
Like, provide support for your assertion that representative democracies have different processes than dictatorships.
You mean the difference between a bill becoming a law and a single guy writing a document and then saying “this is now the law”?
Surely you cannot be asking what you wrote.Report
So the Politburo writing a law and Stalin saying “this is now the law” are different things?
Or, is the Politburo passing a law different than the US Congress passing a law?Report
So the Politburo writing a law and Stalin saying “this is now the law” are different things?
Yes.
Or, is the Politburo passing a law different than the US Congress passing a law?
How is the Politburo chosen?
Direct election? Appointment?
Because, believe it or not, “representative democracy” is a term I used deliberately.Report
You need to explain the existence of elected bodies which are authoritarian.Report
Then we’re worse off than I thought.Report
You didn’t answer my question, but no matter. Follow up Q:
When did you learn to stop worrying and love authoritarianism?Report
Do we approve of Republicans doing it to Disney?Report
This another example of Republicans doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons. I am not sure special districts like that should exist in a civilized democracy.Report
It’s not even the right thing.
Little discussed is that the legislation does NOT remove all special districts.
Only Disney’s, but all others are still in effect.
And amidst all the chuckling over how the Mighty Mouse is going to kick DeSantis’ butt, is the fact that every medium and large company in Florida is watching and self-policing pretty much as they are doing in China.
And like I mentioned yesterday, even being a loyal party member is no guarantee of safety. Disney was a faithful funder of the Party for decades, but one modest comment made them the Enemy.Report
It eliminates all districts created by the state — as opposed to by cities and counties — before 1968. There are a handful of other districts that qualify. They’re the reason that districts being abolished are allowed to petition the legislature for reinstatement. The legislature will, of course, reinstate every district that asks except Disney.Report
Just for clarity’s sake, you’re saying that Disney has been loyally Republican until they did one thing that angered Republicans?Report
They reliably remove gay scenes from movies for the Chinese audience as well as minimize people of color on Chinese-release movie posters.
What could possibly be more Republican than that?Report
Yes.
Not partisan Republican, but has been a reliable donor to Republican candidates and causes since forever.Report
Most big companies donate to candidates on both sides of the aisle. I’m not asking this to put you on the spot, but can you back up the implication that Disney is more reliable in donating to the right than the left? The campaign contribution data is a mess to go through, and I’ve never been able to do it. As for issues advocacy, do you include social justice causes as being on the liberal side? If so I’d be stunned if Disney donated more to conservative causes than liberal ones.Report
OK I see we are in the “He was never a loyal party member” territory.
Disney has always carefully managed to avoid the appearance of partisanship, but they have always been a reliable donor to candidates who promise things like deregulation and lower taxes.
It is only in recent years that the “social justice” issues, AKA human sexuality issues have become important enough to mark them as Enemies Of The State, and even then, it isn’t because of anything they have done, but by what they have said.
Like, there is nothing about Disney’s policies which marks them as particularly liberal by American standards.
Had the head of Disney not made a statement about the Florida law, none of this would be happening.
Disney went from Responsible Corporate Citizen to Enemy Of The State in the span of a single sentence.Report
For years Disney has been reliably pushing the liberal line in its productions and its charitable donations. I’m surprised anyone would argue with that. They are “passive-progressive” (to steal a word from Red Letter Media) in that they’ll edit out their agenda for international markets, and maybe some liberals don’t consider them sufficiently loyal. But they’re as liberal a company as those two hippies who make ice cream.Report
I can see how you would get here, if you track the movement of pro-LGBTQ statements and the content of their movies.
And also if you consider their Republican policies on taxes and regulation to be unimportant compared to the socially progressive stuff.
But that raises a question, of why they would do such a thing.
Like was the plot of Frozen dictated by the progressives in the corporate boardroom, or was it a response to the market demand for content that is socially progressive?Report
“I can see how you would get here, if you track the movement of pro-LGBTQ statements and the content of their movies.”
I’d say the social agenda in general, but I’m glad we can both acknowledge this point.
“And also if you consider their Republican policies on taxes and regulation to be unimportant compared to the socially progressive stuff.”
I think any progressive company is going to feel very strongly about *its own* taxes and regulation.
“But that raises a question, of why they would do such a thing. Like was the plot of Frozen dictated by the progressives in the corporate boardroom, or was it a response to the market demand for content that is socially progressive?”
That’s a complicated question. Entertainment companies work in both art and finance, and artists typically do lean liberal. I think the inclination is to get mainstream enough for the finance people and liberal enough for the artists, and that always means nudging the window leftward. You can talk about the country moving more progressive on sexual issues as if it’s been organic, but you’d have to admit that movies and TV have been riding that edge since 1968 or so.Report
Remember the old joke about the ambitious starlet who was so dumb she f****d the writer? There are lots of dumb “starlets” out there who have no idea who really calls the tune in the entertainment industry.Report
I dunno dude… here’s the link to Open Secrets:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/walt-disney-co/totals?id=D000000128#totals-affiliates
Overwhelming support for Dems among individual contributors and affiliates.
There’s one big mystery that perhaps someone with better google skills can track down… it seems that a single contributor funded the MAGA America First Action PAC to the tune of about $10M — but, this is the weird part, A1A is funded by “dark money” non-disclosed donors via American Policies… so I have no idea how that $10M donation is tracked/allocated. You’d think there would be some headline to the effect that Disney Big Whig funds MAGA thingy (and maybe there is!) but I couldn’t find it.
Even so… if that’s the case, it’s 1 guy at Disney vs. every other Donation.Report
I don’t like to rely on the support of individual contributors, even board members, as an indicator of a company’s politics. I’ve looked through Open Secrets before, and unless there’s some trick to the site, I can never find substantial donations. That’s why I posed the question as: can you demonstrate that the company supports rightward candidates more than leftward? If there’s a way to do that, it would answer the question. Barring that, I’m going to look at the company’s social agenda spending and of course their product.Report
The entertainment industry is like Toontown.
The on-stage talent is liberal, the suits, less so.
In fact, this latest escapade shows that.
The suits at Disney didn’t give a rip about the law, but the Toons demanded it.Report
Other than Marvel Entertainment there’s no way that the split is suits vs. talent.
FX: $425k (D) to $2k (R)
Disney Studios: $341k (D) to $0.2k (R) [236.00]
ESPN: $197k (D) to $7.5k (R)
The only one with near parity?
21st Century Fox: $198k (D) to $165k (R)
This is Suits and Talent together.
Except Marvel… who’s the defector? Hulk? Maybe Ironman? Probably that country f*ck Green Arrow.Report
Hey maybe I’m wrong then.
Maybe the entire entertainment industry has migrated over to the Democrats.
What we need are some thinkpieces explaining the astonishing collapse of Republican support among private business, and suggestions for how to win them back.Report
Heh… ‘maybe’ . Probably needs more study. Has anyone checked in on the Universities? How are those folks? Still tweed coated curmudgeons?
I think I read those think pieces you’re looking for… they were breathless concern over people who could afford boats but not space ships.Report
What I am seeing is the estrangement of the Republican Party from almost all institutions.
There was a time, let’s say in the 1950s era when virtually every institution like universities, churches, businesses, high culture and civic organizations were on very warm terms with Republicans.
Maybe it began with culture, where writers like Mailer and Vonnegut and the Beats and the Blacklisted Hollywood figures bitterly criticized the American conservatives.
And maybe it was the universities that found themselves at odds with the social policies of the Republicans.
But recently it seems like the Republicans have estranged themselves even from Wall Street and the free market crowd, and have nothing but scorn for civic groups like Scouts and any organization that can be accused of being “woke”.
This seems remarkable.Report
It’s called the Gramscian march, and I’m surprised you’re just noticing it.
If Wall Street money were conservative, New York would be a Republican city and state. The largest financial institutions have made themselves look too big to fail to both parties.
As for other institutions, I have to quote a tweet I saw recently from David Burge (I don’t know anything about him, so that’s not a recommendation, it’s a citation):
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#leftiesReport
Explain how that happens, that leftists “kill” institutions.
As opposed to, just persuading their fellow citizens of the rightness of their cause.
What you’re doing here is validating my criticism that Republicans refuse to accept any such thing as a loyal opposition. Any opposition to Republicans is by definition unfair and illegitimate.
For example, I favor strict gun control laws. But I accept that my position is not popular. I don’t doubt the righteousness of gun control, but I accept that for whatever reason a majority of my fellow Americans have rejected my ideas, but they are still good and loyal citizens.
I’m not getting that from Republicans.Report
That tweet was a little bit cute, and I’m not going to defend it as gospel. It is true though that the left, starting in about 1968, got serious about joining institutions such as in the press and education, and broadcasting their messages to the next generation. I’d say they tend to destroy those organizations by making them lose focus and turn political.
You mentioned the Scouts. The Boy Scouts had a traditional purpose that kept them focusing on building fires and treating wounds. The Girl Scouts didn’t have as strong an identity, and they became more radicalized over the years. I don’t think the right ever considered scouting the enemy, but they criticized and fought things they thought were wrong about it. Looking at it on a Gramscian scale, I think it’s pretty obvious that the Scouts have been stripped of their traditional elements.
There are a whole lot of tangents we could pursue on this topic. One great one is something they were talking about recent on The Daily Wire. They were contending that the right has traditionally done things at the local level, then the left took over the large institutions, and in response the right has tried to fight to gain control of the large institutions. We’ve lost our natural perspective. We’re builders, not redistributers.Report
One other thing. I think you do have a respect for people who disagree with you, certainly on something like gun rights. But you’ve put a lot of people who disagree with you on other things into a basket of deplorables. I think you’ve done what you’re accusing the right of, and I think it leads you to think of the right as doing it. You know I’ve said many times that I think you’re very wrong, but not motivated by hate. But a lot of the left doesn’t think of its opponents as good and loyal citizens.
When you post things like “those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”, I get that it’s out of concern, but from across the field it can look like hatred.Report
Do you get overtime in this Hall Monitor gig?Report
This strikes me as overdramatic. What is uncivilized about the status quo? Do they practice ritual human sacrifice? Is the Purge actually a documentary series filmed at Disney World in a secret collaboration between Universal and Disney?Report
Nothing except tax him more and use that money for social services. Elon Musk beclowns himself on his own.Report