Wednesday Writs: Mini Edition

Em Carpenter

Em was one of those argumentative children who was sarcastically encouraged to become a lawyer, so she did. She is a proud life-long West Virginian, and, paradoxically, a liberal. In addition to writing about society, politics and culture, she enjoys cooking, podcasts, reading, and pretending to be a runner. She will correct your grammar. You can find her on Twitter.

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  1. Michael Cain says:

    WW7: What is it with celebrities and bar exams recently? First Kim Kardashian, and now this. Question from ignorance: if you pass the full-blown bar exam without attending law school — which Kardashian has not, yet — are you legally allowed to practice law?Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    WW2: Yes. Set this precedent. It will be glorious.Report

  3. Dark Matter says:

    RE: WW4
    Will be interesting to see if Kentucky has massive insulin shortages after this goes into effect.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Dark Matter says:

      If they do, I’m betting it’ll be artificial. The cost to produce is in the range of $3-$6. There is no R&D overhead to speak of, or any marketing overhead either, so getting 5x-10x times your cost to produce back is a real healthy profit.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/insulin-prices-could-be-much-lower-and-drug-makers-would-still-make-healthy-profits-2018-9Report

      • Donny Paulino in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        Consider the dire fate of the last person to try and reduce costs of insulin..

        I would not be so sanguine about law and order.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        uhhhhhhh

        lol

        “biosimilar manufacturing expenses were not individually considered, such as capital expenditures, quality assurance and control, registration costs, and costs for adhering to manufacturing regulations.”

        so

        if you don’t consider the thing that’s so expensive it stops other companies producing insulin then yeah, I guess producing insulin isn’t that expensiveReport

        • Oscar Gordon in reply to DensityDuck says:

          In the U.S., we offer human insulin through several channels for approximately $25/vial.

          $30 seems like a fair price then.Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

            (they aren’t talking about Novalog)Report

            • Oscar Gordon in reply to DensityDuck says:

              Doesn’t really matter, does it?

              Even when you factor in all that other stuff, insulin is cheap to produce, so cheap that it’s probably marginally profitable. Marginally enough that I get why Pharma wants to charge what the market will bear. Otherwise, those production lines could be put to a much more profitable use. Problem is, this isn’t Advil, it’s something a person needs to live, so the market will bear a lot.

              There are lots of drugs like this (EpiPens, certain AIDs drugs, birth control, etc.).

              This is one of those things where some good old fashioned tax incentives could do a lot of good, but certain political groups seems allergic to letting a big company (or even a little company that happens to be a Pharma company) have any such thing, even if it enables a public good.Report

          • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

            Note the bait and switch over “human insulin”. Likely referring to the stuff used prior to Humalog, which is considerably riskier for diabetics.

            Humalog as multiple competitors (Novalog comes immediately to mind) as well as biosimilars. Somehow, they’ve all increased in price ten-fold.Report

      • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        Worth noting humalog debuted in 1994 or so at 35 a vial. It represented years of R&D and was a massive, massive improvement over regular human insulin. Doctors all but threw their patients at it, because the risks of hypoglycemia were so much lower (if you mess up humalog you were likely to end up with your blood sugar too high, which is not great but causes damage over time. Previously if you messed up with human insulin, you were more likely to end up too low — which is where comas, ambulances, and possibly death awaited.)

        Patients on humalog were no longer forced into incredibly rigid meal or snack schedules to avoid going hypoglycemic, resulting in better and healthier patients with lower risks. It was a fantastic step forward. They made serious profits — including paying back their R&D costs — rapidly.

        And Humalog stayed about that price right until it got a competitor, and then a weird thing happened — both slowly started increasing in price. In lockstep. As generics came out, they were always about 70% of the price of their name brand, and again prices would increase in lockstep.

        Now Humalog costs — in America only — about 10 times what it did in 1994 (inflation says it should be about twice as much). It has multiple competitors and generics. They’re all that high.

        And it’s dirt cheap to produce. ALL forms of modern insulin are made the same way — genetically modified single-cell organisms excrete it. It’s closer to brewing medical grade beer in many ways. Any half-decent lab can modify the e coli or yeast for you, and the feedstock is cheap as are the processes. There are no bottlenecks in supply, and expanding production is not difficult at ALL by pharmaceutical standards.

        Given the facts, there’s really only one reason a single country would see a ten-fold increase in a good despite multiple competitors and no underlying raw material or manufacturing bottlenecks: Price fixing.

        (Unless someone wants to argue that the creators of Humalog had a fun plan where they’d make back all their R&D costs 25 years after it debuted, when it had heavy competition. Given every drug in creation seems to be part of a price fixing scheme in America, from prescription stuff to stuff like albuterol and even Anusol — seriously, 200+ bucks for a dosage of steroids in suppository form that goes for 20 bucks in England OTC . That’s WITH insurance. Prescription drug pricing is, bluntly, broken in America)Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        “Artificial” may not be the right word. Companies can make more profit by selling that drug in other states, they will try to limit Kentucky to it’s actual market by selling it what it really needs. You’ll instantly have people buy “too much” insulin in Kentucky and try to sell it in other states.

        We might be looking at the creation of a black market.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Dark Matter says:

      nah

      * It’s $30 for a 30-day supply, and most plans already cap the copay at $50; less money, sure, but not dramatically less, not to the point that you’ll have people crossing the border to get cheap Kentucky insulin.

      * It applies to mail-order as well as in-pharmacy, so it’s not as though the local shops will suddenly be cleared out

      * It only applies to Kentucky residents with Kentucky-state insurance plans, if you’re from out of the state you get charged your plan’s standard (as I said, usually $50).Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to DensityDuck says:

        oh, and: you can’t just keep getting 30-day supplies over and over, your plan only authorizes one 30-day supply every 30 days, if you want to get more you pay full retail.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    Colorado truck driver update: Governor Polis reduced the sentence to 10 years.Report

  5. Saul Degraw says:

    WW7: This seems like just a huge grift and things she thought she could get away with stating because no one listens to the professionalsReport

  6. CJColucci says:

    WW6: Is “Grungo” pronounced GRUN-jo or GRUN-go?Report