A Thing Was Said: The Indefatigable Self-assurance of Metamodern Jackassery

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. Jaybird says:

    I’m on the right side. The guy who said that thing is on the other side and, get this, he pulled back the curtain and showed us all what those people are like. He’s not an outlier. Everybody over there secretly agrees with him and the ones over there who are willing to superficially condemn him are the worst of the bunch.Report

  2. Oscar Gordon says:

    That picture…Report

    • At first I kind of felt bad for putting that guy out front with a title for that, but I dug into what he was advocating for there and the person in the background and what she chose to do in public that is visible if you, and decided that was a them problem and had it coming.Report

  3. Saul Degraw says:

    There was a pew study, I think from 2018, that demonstrated that something like 80 percent of tweets come from 10 percent of users. Unfortunately all those users are very online AND in the media or want to be in the media in one way or another.

    “Something was said and twitter reacted” journalism is popular because it is very cheap and very easy. Real journalism is time consuming and expensive. The bosses usually do not have time for that and neither do the underpaid freelancers. Scrolling through twitter for memes and takes is easy though and super-cheap. It is a “win win” for everyone except society overall.

    The other thing about the very online is that they really do not realize that most people are not very online. I think they would get very perplexed if you told them as such.

    At this point, it is probably an unsolvable. I don’t think that most Americans are secretly in agreement and it is twitter tearing us apart. We really disagree strongly, on a fundamental level, about what American society should look like.Report

    • North in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Well done Saul. Big +1 from me. The solution, I suspect, will be either the final implosion of the existing media paradigm or the discovery of whatever the new media paradigm is that’ll be adapted to modern information distribution systems.

      Or twitter self immolates in a tiny azure ball of fire- but we live in far too fallen a world for something of that degree of beauty to occur.Report

      • Oscar Gordon in reply to North says:

        I thought the correction was nigh when most news sites shut down their comments sections, or locked them behind actual accounts so ban hammers could be applied.

        Then Twitter just lit that all on fire.Report

        • North in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

          Saw Matrix Resurrections recently. At one point a returning character, reduced from a suave conversationalist to a gibbering, rage contorted hobo, screamed about what the modern internet had devolved into something to the effect of “We used to have conversations, now we have memes!”. As an aficionado of the old blogosphere I felt his exposition keenly.Report

          • Greg In Ak in reply to North says:

            There is nothing more modern internet then harkening back to Ye Olde Days of the blogosphere. I agree about how good it was back when we were kids 15 years ago. As a fairly heavy twitter user it is like all social media as good as you curate it. Which was the only way the old blogo was good.Report

            • North in reply to Greg In Ak says:

              You are very right. Heck, I’ll go you one better and say there’s nothing more human than harkening back to ye olde days of X basically as soon as you’re old enough to have olde days to harken back towards.

              I have heard the comment about twitter and curating and I am sure there’s much merit to that but twitter still has a character limit of 280 characters which is an utterly unforgivable offense to me.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to North says:

        I don’t think twitter or social media is going anywhere anytime soon. Its users are deeply committed to it. There can be very interesting twitter threads from actual experts. There are also a lot of illusions of speaking truth to power. There are also open conversations that used to occur in private.

        But the very online and very online trolls are committed to twitter for both idea sources and nitpickingReport

        • North in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          I agree, innovations don’t disappear. Organizations and individuals, however, adapt. I would guess that business/government will, in time, become pretty inured and indifferent to the yelps that originate from social media which is probably for the best.Report

        • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          The illusion of truth to power thing occurs across the political spectrum. There are some truly weird twitter threads where Politician A will post some harmless message and the opposing team will give a weird response that looks totally out of nowhere to anybody else.

          During Hanukkah, Rep. Omar posted Happy Hanukkah and some Orthodox Rabbi quoted from the Book of the Maccabees. Obviously this was about Israel and a lot of our fellow Jews were saying how good this response from the Orthodox Rabbi was. From their standpoint the Rabbi was speaking truth to power but from any other standpoint, including people who might be sympathetic with them, it was just a weird out their aggressive response.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      This Vox article on why Obama era pop culture seems hollow now is a good example of the pitfalls of Twitter based journalism.

      https://www.vox.com/22641501/hamilton-parks-rec-harry-potter-cringe-obama-era-pop-culture

      The article is making the argument that things like Hamilton, Parks and Recreation, and Harry Potter are now cringe filled because the activist twitter set no longer likes them. At least from my real life friends, there seem to be many people who still really love Harry Potter and more than a few of my friends are trying to get tickets to the Harry Potter play when it comes to San Francisco at the end of January. Granted my friends are older than Zoomers but the sentiments of the twitter activist set aren’t about as universal as they think they are.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to LeeEsq says:

        Back in the heady days of the Bush Administration (the 2nd one, I mean), there was a link passed around (HOLY COW I FOUND IT) called: One Hundred Albums You Should Remove from Your Collection Immediately.

        Here are some highlights:

        #3 Nirvana – Nevermind
        Yeah, yeah – I realize that this is the one that broke grunge’s doors wide open and made Seattle a place to be reckoned with. Are we sure that’s good? At best, Nevermind is an overrated Pixies tribute album that was blasted from every goddamn dorm room I skulked past in college (instead of the Pixies). Not to mention the fact that alt-rawk stations have bled this album of any magic it might have had by overplaying it. Fair to middling at best, but not the Second Coming. And “Smells Like Teen Spirit” IS the “Stairway to Heaven” of our generation, folks. This is the record you will embarrass your children with.

        #36 Prince – Emancipation
        Quit buying every single Goddamned Prince release! Don’t you know he fell off in like ’89? You bought this 3-CD set because you thought that the sheer number of songs guaranteed a few keepers. You were wrong.

        #44 Jane’s Addiction – Nothing’s Shocking
        Self-indulgent, derivative pap from the most overrated so-called “alternative” band. “Hey guys, are we metal, goth, or art-school?” These poseurs are neither shocking nor original.

        #54 Tori Amos – Under the Pink
        If I have to hear one more time about how, even though I don’t like her music, I should at least be impressed with her [fill in musical ability here]. Frankly, I don’t feel I have to and you shouldn’t be made to feel that way either! It’s okay to not like this album or any of her music, trust me.

        #75 Michelle Shocked – Captain Swing and Sinead O’Connor – Am I Not Your Girl?
        Michelle’s songs had more heart recorded on a walkman (Texas Campfire Tapes). I know you both wanted to salute your roots; next time, just write a letter, okay?

        This essay got a metric buttload of engagement. I mean, for one thing, I remembered it.

        It’s my first real experience with the “the things you like are bad, actually” genre and it stuck with me. It’s not all bad, it helps me recognize stuff like “the things you like are problematic, actually” genre.

        The message comes down to this: The stuff you like is unfashionable. As an extension of that, *YOU* are unfashionable.

        Click on it. Click on it. Click on it.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to LeeEsq says:

        Vox is very online itselfReport

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    The other mistake though is to assume that most Americans really agree on most subjects. The fights we are having are because a lot of Americans really disagree about a lot of very fundamental issues and the basic framing of society, rights, and law.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Agreed, and I don’t think this is very new.

      Ever since the Revolution, there has been a very deep divide over the character and nature of what “America” means. The specific issues vary over time but it usually revolve around the concept of who constitutes “We The People”.

      Issues like slavery, immigration, the balance between labor and capital, feminism, gay and trans rights all collide with those different conceptions of what America is and ought to be.

      I think the Cold War world, which was the only world most of us ever knew, suppressed those divisions in the face of a common enemy.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        Nehru believed that his most important achievement was to get a basically religious and conservative population to accept a secular and liberal constitution for India. The Founders had something of the same problem. Most of them, including the slave owners, were Enlightenment deists. The actual American population was more devote and Protestant. We are still dealing with this disconnect.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        My big issue with twitter is that I think it creates distortion fields though. Some of the fights are very existential. At other times, I think the twitterati often do not understand how they are not a majority.Report

  5. The new part isn’t than people are saying stupidly awful things. The new part is that when someone says one thing that isn’t stupidly awful (Trump: the vaccines work), he’s a traitor.Report

  6. Douglas Hayden says:

    So just to get this straight:

    1. A thing was said.
    2. Intended target of thing that was said blew right past it like he was joyriding in his ‘Vette.
    3. Having not received the intended reaction, sayer of thing that was said goes public knowing full well the reception he’d receive.
    4. Said reception is received.
    5. Sayer of thing that was said now has his Victimcard credit limit boosted in time for a speaking spot at CPAC.

    That this whole thing was gamed out so that everyone saw how it was entirely gamed out and yet still fell right into their assigned roles is pretty much an encapsulation of the state of social media here in the year of our Lord 2021. Its all a game.Report

    • North in reply to Douglas Hayden says:

      Regarding #2 I cannot guess whether the subject was oblivious or just chose to respond the way he did. Either option makes me like him just a tch more.Report

      • JS in reply to North says:

        Seasoned politician doing a Christmas thing? Absolutely ignored, ironically because of the juvenile phrasing used.

        You could pretend it was meaningless and keep focus on feel-good Christmas vibes for kid so that’s what you do.

        If he’d actually said what he meant, that’d have required something of a response. Your uncle quietly drunk in the corner muttering to himself can be politely ignored by the family, but less so if he stands up and takes a crap in the punch bowl.Report

    • Sayer of thing originally claimed not to be a Trump supporter, a few days later insists the election was stolen.Report

  7. John Puccio says:

    I enjoyed this Andrew. I know your piece delves into the social media aspect that fuels so much of what you’re talking about – but what should also be noted is the dramatic increase in news coverage entirely based on “things said” that have nothing to do with social media.

    These stories are typically centered on what a politician, bureaucrat, tech titan, etc says they *think* might happen. Journalism has pivoted from reporting on things that actually happened to covering the prognostication of experts. It’s an emphasis on interpretation over facts, and no one talks about it. Blaming the masses on social media only allows these supposed guardians of legitimate news to avoid the criticism they deserve.Report