Game of Thrones Rewatch: Redemption Song

Kristin Devine

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  1. I agree with just about all of this, so what follows is only a quibble.

    There is a Targaryen insanity gene: they’re obsessed with dragons. This is clearer in the books’ backstory, where various Targaryens die trying to bring back or even become dragons (one of them drank wildfire to that end. Didn’t work.) Even one as sane as Egg died that way. Dany is apparently part dragon, as we see from her invulnerability to heat and flame. (Viserys, no such luck.)

    I still dislike Dany going crazy the way she did, because her arc has been to go to a city, depose its rulers, and try to raise up the common people. It was Cersei who murdered Missandei, not King’s Landing as a whole, and that’s a distinction Dany is good at. Nor is Cersei popular; it wasn’t that long ago the mob was jeering at her naked walk., and she and her children were only safe out in the streets when surrounded by bodyguards. It makes no sense for Dany to start murdering commoners for their ruler’s crimes.

    But Dany is a Targaryen like her father. If either of them is going to commit mass murder, it’s going yo be by fire.Report

    • You’re right, of course. The goal I set for myself mentally trying to fix the show is to change as little as possible of what they did, to show that it WAS possible without completely redoing everything. If only D + D would have been a little less up their own asses, they could have done THIS thing instead. So I was trying to keep with most of what they did and just tweak it. But that whole plot arc needed serious work.

      Honestly I think that’s why GoT frustrated me as much as it did, because they almost had it, it was almost good, and several dozen minor changes would have set things right. I may not have loved where they went with it, but I could have accepted it.

      I plan to fix Dany and Cersei in an upcoming essay and yes you’re so right the dragons are the key.Report

      • For me, the fix is that after Dany conquers King’s Landing and tries to be the benevolent Queen, the city hates her and her reforms the same way it hated Cersei (maybe it prefers Jon?) and she realizes that her dream of coming home to rule Westeros wisely and peacefully will never come true. That drives her over the edge, and she goes full Aerys.Report

      • Brent F in reply to Kristin Devine says:

        A leading fan theory for the books is that Dany attacks King’s Landing on dragon and accidentally sets off the wildfire Aerys planted in KL that Jamie didn’t bother to tell anyone about

        So the holocaust comes not from woman going crazy, but the dangerous legacy of her family dynasty, that was deposed for a good reason.Report

        • Kristin Devine in reply to Brent F says:

          I have read that before, but I feel the need for there to be some sort of deliberate decisions to be made on her part. I feel like it’s punting the ball to just have her blunder her way into a disaster (like how she “just kind of forgot” about Euron Greyjoy’s fleet). I want her to have the choice and make the wrong one, if that makes sense.Report

          • Brent F in reply to Kristin Devine says:

            Loosing dragonfire in a populated area (particularly given what firetraps pre-modern cities are) is definitely a choice, even you weren’t anticipating how bad it could get for other reasons.Report

    • James K in reply to Mike Schilling says:

      The reason that scene works for me is that I don’t see it as Daenerys going crazy – that’s how others see it but they’re primed to view Targaryens through that lens.

      I think Daenerys was enraged, but perfectly sane when she burned Kings’ Landing. She’s leaned lessons from her experiences in Essos, and one of those lessons is that the wages of mercy are betrayal.Report

      • Kristin Devine in reply to James K says:

        I prefer the interpretation where she’s sane too. I just think they needed to come out and hit home that she’s DECIDED to end King’s Landing because Meereen was such a PITA and cost her so greatly (Barristan’s life, for instance)Report

  2. There’s one more redemption arc: Sansa going from too naive and foolish to live, to the strongest and smartest person we’ve ever seen rule the North. She doesn’t lose because she’s playing by rules no one else bothers with, like her father, she has much netter judgment than he mother, and she won’t take her eye off the ball like Robb. She knows what her position as ruler of the North means, and she’s not going to give that up to Jon or Bran. It’s not presented brilliantly in the show; rather than growth, it’s more like a switch got flipped. But is is clearly her responding to the abuse she’s suffered from Joffrey and Ramsey.Report

    • I see Sansa’s story as less a redemption arc and more a coming of age story. People hate Sansa but the truth is, she was just a little kid, and then she grew up. So I don’t like thinking of her as being redeemed, per se. A little kid in a terrible situation, doing the wrong thing and paying a horrible price for it, I guess I see as different than full grown men pushing kids out of windows and stuff.

      Of all the missed opportunities in the show, for me the “switch gets flipped” Sansa transformation was the biggest (probably because I like Sansa the best). I have this vibe that the writers did not like or did not understand the Sansa character at all and so shunted her to the side. But she IS poised to be the best player in the Game of Thrones, and it would have been quite fun to see her going up against Tyrion (acting on behalf of Dany) in the game.Report

  3. DensityDuck says:

    It’s weird for me, sometimes, how I will start writing fix-it versions of whatever thing I’m watching/reading/playing. Because on the one hand, I obviously didn’t like it, because otherwise why would I be trying to fix it? But on the other hand, maybe I sort-of did like it, because otherwise why would be I trying to fix it?Report

    • I have done this twice now (gotten obsessed with fixing something) and both times it was something I fundamentally liked to start with (Supernatural and now GoT). Both times it just seemed right within their reach to have something phenomenal and then they wiffed it due to reasons that were frustrating in their Hollywoodishness!Report