Amy, Tell Me What You’re Gonna Do: Part 1
In anticipation of the inevitable confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to take over for (not replace) Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court, there is a lot of nervous hand-wringing/fist-pumping on Twitter and elsewhere, as the ideological factions prognosticate about how she might come down on some major social battlegrounds. Both sides point to her public statements, law review articles, and other expressions of her views to either hail her as a champion of conservatism or wail that she will be the Aunt Lydia 1 of the Supreme Court, ushering the nation’s women to Gilead.
In the last few years, I have studied a great deal of case law, from old cases for Wednesday Writs to analyzing new opinions to summarize here at OT. One thing I have noticed that had mostly evaded me in my years of study and practice of the law was that while justices are often classified as broadly conservative or broadly liberal by the public, their opinions can be surprising, and don’t always fall in line with how they are expected to rule. That’s because for the most part, most justices attempt to apply a good faith analysis of the law and its application to the facts of a case. How they do so varies among justices, because each has his or her own ideas of how to approach the analysis. Some are textualists, others are originalists, others still believe in the constitution as a living document. These differing philosophies will sometimes lead members of the Court to very different conclusions.
Admittedly, some do tend to stretch or twist their analysis more than others to make it fit a particular outcome that aligns with their apparent political or personal beliefs, but I find that to be the exception (see: Justice Scalia opining about the flag burning case Texas v. Johnson, in which he joined the majority in ruling in favor of the firebug: “If it were up to me, I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American flag. But I am not king.“) Does Barrett fall victim to this folly more often than not? Is her approach to the law pliable and outcome driven, or does she more or less adhere to her legal principles rather than her personal convictions?
Fortunately, we don’t have to guess blindly; her 3+ years as a federal judge for the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals produced many written opinions and dissents we can examine to get an idea about her jurisprudential proclivities.
Oddly, when I suggested on social media that an examination of her body of decisions was the best way to learn how she might come down on cases, I was met with passionate opposition and links to opinion pieces containing sweeping conclusory statements about who or what she has ruled in favor of in the past. But that is not enough. That is not the whole story. When a new SCOTUS decision is announced, the headlines generally shout about which party or cause has prevailed. An actual reading of the decisions often reveals that while one party has prevailed, the ruling was not an endorsement of their cause or even a final victory.
A good example of this is Masterpiece Cake Shop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission in 2018, about the refusal of a baker to create a custom wedding cake for a same-sex wedding. The headlines from that ruling- a 7-2 ruling- were along the lines of “SCOTUS Deals a Blow to LGBT Rights” or “Cake Shop Decision is Victory for Religious Liberty”, depending on the slant of the outlet. However, a reading of the opinion (and its several concurrences), reveals that the Court ruled only that the state’s Civil Rights Commission was unfair in its hearing, displaying hostility toward the baker’s religious beliefs rather than remaining neutral. The Court sidestepped any specific ruling on the actual question of the case, which is whether the baker’s refusal was an exercise of religious liberty or one of sexual orientation discrimination. These nuanced decisions based on procedural defects, or even technicalities, are not uncommon at the Court, reached by an application of black letter law rather than more nebulous socially conscious concepts.
So, with that in mind, I turn to the actual, written judicial opinions of Amy Coney Barrett for insight into her judicial philosophy. There are over 107 opinions, concurrences and dissents authored by Barrett in her time at the 7th Circuit; I am but one busy person and obviously cannot read them all. I will start with a few that have been cited as evidence of her greatness/evil and then try to pick out a few from different areas of the law.
Disciplinary hearings for sexual assault allegations on campus: John Doe v. Purdue University
This case is one that has many sexual assault victim’s advocates concerned, because here Barrett rules in favor of a man accused of sexual assault at Purdue. Specifically, the three judge (all female) panel for whom Barrett wrote found that the disciplinary hearing against John Doe was unfairly conducted and ultimately deprived him of a liberty interest without due process, and constituted discrimination on the basis of sex.
Doe was accused of digitally assaulting his some-time girlfriend while she slept beside him. He was not given a copy of the investigative report until minutes before the hearing, nor was he provided any of the evidence against him. At the hearing, Doe was not permitted to call any witnesses, and the alleged victim, Jane, did not appear nor was she required to. In fact, she provided no written or sworn statement, only a written statement from the director of the campus sexual violence support center summarizing Jane’s allegations. Two out of three of the hearing examiners admitted that as of the time of the hearing, they had not even read the report.
A week after the hearing, Doe received a letter informing him that he had been “found guilty” and would be suspended from school for a year, but the letter did not include the reasons underlying the decision. Doe complained to the school ethic’s office, who ordered the examiner to revise the letter and include the basis of the decision. The revised letter restated Jane’s allegations, and concluded that while Jane was a credible witness, John Doe was not (recall that Jane never spoke to the panel nor provided a sworn statement.) The decision and his suspension was upheld by the University, and as a result, John lost his Navy ROTC scholarship.
He filed a lawsuit alleging a 14th Amendment due process violation and discrimination on the basis of sex. In her analysis, Barrett first determines that the totality of the details of the hearing amounted to denial of due process, considering the facts in the light most favorable to Doe as required.2 However, unfairness is not enough to trigger a constitutional violation; the denial of due process must result in the loss of “life, liberty, or property.” Barrett then invoked precedent which rejects the argument that one’s education is a property interest, ruling that Doe was not deprived of property when he lost his scholarship as a result of the disciplinary hearing. However, she did recognize a loss of a liberty interest; specifically, Barrett found that Doe lost his occupational liberty to pursue a career in the Navy. Even then, she said, he had to satisfy the “stigma plus” test: he must “show that the state inflicted reputational damage accompanied by an alteration in legal status that deprived him of a right he previously held.” She ultimately decided that he had met the standard, deeming his resulting ineligibility to continue with his naval aspirations as a change in legal status. However, she gives little explanation of how such ineligibility constitutes a legal status, and this particular detail, in my opinion, leaves room for debate.
But the due process ruling was not the part of the decision that caught the attention of the left. Their problem with the ruling had more to do with the sex discrimination finding and the eventual affect her ruling had on Title IX, the federal law prohibiting sex discrimination in any education program receiving federal money.
In Doe’s case, because the disciplinary panel summarily dismissed his “side of the story” while deeming his accuser, to whom they never spoke, a more credible witness, Barrett found it plausible the panel’s decision was based solely on the sex of the accused and the accuser. In support of her finding, she noted that the panel relied upon a letter written by the University’s Title IX coordinator, pointed out a posting by the campus’s sexual violence support center of a Washington Post article entitled “Alcohol is not the cause of rape. Men are”, and the school’s incentive to show a willingness to punish students accused of sexual misconduct. This incentive was a 2011 directive by the US Department of Education, which put schools on notice that their handling of sexual assault cases would be under scrutiny and failure to act appropriately could result in loss of funding. The order also lowered the standard of proof in a resultant disciplinary hearing from clear and convincing (high probability the conduct occurred) to preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not.) Based on Purdue’s interest in being “tough” on sexual assault allegations and not losing funding and other factors suggesting a bias against the male in the case, Barrett’s opinion upheld Doe’s Title IX discrimination claim.
It is important to remember here that Barrett’s decision merely found that the facts presented were sufficient to support John Doe’s lawsuit, and that the lower court should not have dismissed the case at that stage. In other words, Barrett’s decision did not decide that John Doe’s facts are true and that he was definitely denied due process and discriminated against. She merely found that there was enough substance to his lawsuit that it should have been permitted to proceed; he had pleaded facts that, if true, could support a finding in his favor at trial. The case was remanded, where it remains unresolved.
The use of sex discrimination law to protect an accused sexual assaulter caused many to be inflamed with outrage. But a review of the facts, in my opinion, reflect a legitimate use of Title IX protections. Title IX does not exist only to protect women but to curb sex-based discrimination. If the panel did in fact disregard Doe’s testimony in favor of a second-hand account of Jane’s allegations simply because he is a male, that would clearly be discriminatory. On the other hand, one could argue that the panel favored not a man over a woman, but an accuser over an accused. This would be impermissible in a criminal trial, but a disciplinary hearing is not that. Nevertheless, these are facts to be determined by the fact finder, which is the ultimate result of Barrett’s decision.
Barrett’s opinion did have a ripple effect, as circuits around the country adopted the decision as precedent. Then, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos rescinded the 2011 guidance, which was seen by many as a major blow to sexual assault victims on campus. I offer no opinion on this concern, except to say Barrett’s decision was fact-dependent and in my view, correct.
Gun rights for felons: Rickey Kanter v. William Barr
In this case, Wisconsin resident Mr. Kanter was convicted of mail fraud, a federal felony offense. Under both Wisconsin law and federal law, all felons are prohibited from possessing firearms. Kinter challenged this law and lost in federal district court. The Seventh Circuit upheld the district court’s findings, but Amy Coney Barrett dissented.
Mr. Kanter’s crime was essentially Medicare fraud, for collecting payment for orthotic inserts that did not meet Medicare standards. Because his crime is one punishable by more than one year imprisonment, he falls under a decades old federal law which prohibits his possession of a firearm. The law has a provision by which a person in Kanter’s position may petition the US Attorney General for restoration of this right by showing he or she is not a danger to the public. However, these investigations conducted by the ATF were for the most part stopped in the early 90s due to the cost and time required for them. When Kanter’s application for an exception was denied, he filed suit against the government alleging violation of his 2nd Amendment rights. The district court dismissed his case, finding that even if the 2nd Amendment is applicable to convicted felons, the government’s “compelling interest” in protecting the public from gun violence permits the blanket rule against gun possession by the entire class of persons convicted of felonies, regardless of their individual circumstances. The court cited the opinions of various other circuits who reached the same conclusion. They pointed to DC v. Heller, in which the prohibition against firearm possession by felons was deemed “presumptively lawful”. But the court also examined the statute under an “as applied” analysis: even if the law is valid on its face, is it being applied unconstitutionally in some cases?
The Seventh Circuit majority concluded that the Second Amendment historically has applied to “responsible law-abiding citizens”, making anyone who has committed a serious crime outside of its protections. This includes violent crimes and felonies, the latter of which are deemed serious by virtue of the year+ prison sentences attached. Mr. Kanter’s crime of fraud and dishonesty, they reasoned, showed a disregard for the law making him unfit to possess a firearm. The majority ruled that the application of the law against Mr. Kanter survives the relevant intermediate scrutiny, recognizing a sufficient link between the law and the compelling government interest in protecting the citizenry from gun violence by those who are prone to breaking the law.
Amy Coney Barrett’s dissent was longer than the majority opinion. First she states that rather than the majority’s approach that presumes that the 2nd amendment was written with the assumption that it would not be applicable to everyone (such as dangerous felons), she thinks the better approach is to acknowledge that the right belongs to all, but that the government possesses the ability to strip the right from certain people. While she did not deny that the government may have the power to strip the right of gun possession from entire categories of people, she did not believe that to mean all felons no matter what they are convicted of. It may mean all those convicted of violent crime, perhaps, but to apply to all felons is too broad.
After a lengthy discussion of historic limitations of civic vs. individual rights that would have befit her former boss, Antonin Scalia, she concludes that the government’s ability to strip civic rights- such as the right to vote or jury service- from unvirtuous citizens is not applicable to individual rights, which the right to bear arms was held to be under Heller. 3 This makes sense; no serious person suggests stripping equal protection or due process from the unvirtuous in America. Therefore, so-called “virtue exclusions” do not apply to the Second Amendment:
“Thus, although the right protected by the Second Amendment is not unlimited, see Heller, 554 U.S. at 595, its limits are not defined by a general felon ban tied to a lack of virtue or good character.”
Nevertheless, she concedes that history does support the right of the government to strip certain individuals of the right to bear arms, if those persons are deemed dangerous. And while she agrees that congress or state legislatures may deem certain classifications of people dangerous without resorting to case-by-case analysis, it must be able to justify their action by showing its nexus to a strong public interest. Finding the statutes here to be “wildly overinclusive” she points out that the prohibition equally classifies a violent spousal abuser and a person selling pigs without a license in Massachusetts. Crimes such as the latter, and those like Kanter’s mail fraud, do not easily lead to the conclusion that the perpetrator is violent and dangerous: “Thus, the reasoning that supports the categorical disarmament of violent felons—that past violence is predictive of future violence—simply does not apply.” She was unpersuaded by the studies cited in the majority opinion that even felons convicted of non-violent crimes are more likely to commit violent crimes in the future. She would have ruled that the federal statute and the Wisconsin state law are unconstitutional as applied to Kanter, and advance no significant government interest.
I don’t disagree with Barrett’s reasoning here. Though some extreme gun control advocates may not like the outcome, her analysis passes a “common sense” filter that the majority opinion stretches out
Part 2 covering Sentencing Reform: U.S. v. Uriarte and Prisoner’s rights: John McCottrell v. Marcus White can be read here
Part 3 covering Federal Tort Claims: Chronis v. The United States and three cases involving the Fourth Amendment can be read here
Part 4 covering interviews and extrajudicial writings that have made news can be found here
- Aunt Lydia is a sort of enforcer of the regime in The Handmaid’s Tale, a woman who serves as a kind of warden and punisher of the enslaved women of Gilead.
- This is because the Court was reviewing the lower court’s granting of the University’s motion to dismiss. In deciding such a motion, the moving party must prove that the facts alleged by the plaintiff, even if true, do not entitle the plaintiff to any relief. Therefore, for the purposes of considering such a motion, a court accepts the plaintiff’s facts as true, and so does the higher court on review.
- She clarifies in a footnote that she does not take issue with felon disenfranchisement, because such is expressly permitted in the language of the fourteenth amendment.
Thank you for the write-up Em, this is better than anything we can expect from the press. Looking forward to the follow up.Report
I dissent.
EM is the press, at least in her writing here, and shows that we had do have aspects of a press that care enough to write something such as this, which is uniformly excellent, if people care to search it out.
Seriously EM, I think you could do very well as a legal analyst/journalist if you cared to switch careers.Report
Fine I take it back. She’s just better than anything I expect to see in any mainstream news outlet in print or otherwise on this topic. She can thank you for forcing me to walk back a compliment.Report
I refuse to concede. I am not the press because the press gets paid.
But thank you both, anyway.Report
Thanks for the write-ups.
Wondering how this was addressed:
“The law has a provision by which a person in Kanter’s position may petition the US Attorney General for restoration of this right by showing he or she is not a danger to the public. However, these investigations conducted by the ATF were for the most part stopped in the early 90s due to the cost and time required for them.”
I guess where I lost the plot is if the law specifically allows for restoration but declines to investigate and then denies application (seemingly) prima facie, then it strikes me as more than common sense that the Govt was overstepping the law itself (not to mention the 2A).
If I’m following (and probably I’m not?) the Court asserted that in lieu of investigating the specifics of a case Wisconsin had defaulted to some version of “studies show” to basically deny ‘all’ petitions? Forget 2A, that’s a little disconcerting in itself.Report
More the feds than the state, but basically yes, “studies show.”
The ATF thing is addressed on page 3 (in the majority opinion) and 25 (dissent).
Basically, Congress has not permitted the ATF (to whom the AG delegates the petitions) to appropriate funds for the investigations since the early 90s.
In 2002, a man petitioned for restoration of his rights and the ATF returned the petition without decision, stating that they were not permitted to expend the funds to investigate. It wasn’t a “no”, it was a “we aren’t currently considering these petitions.” He filed a lawsuit which wound up at SCOTUS, and a 9-0 ruling authored by Thomas said that neither they nor the lower courts (who had ruled in the man’s favor) had jurisdiction over the suit because the petition had not technically been denied. “The absence of an actual denial by ATF of a felon’s petition precludes judicial review under § 925(c).”
That case is here: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/537/71/#tab-opinion-1961193
Still good law as far as I can tell.
Deciding those petitions is viewed as a discretionary function.Report
Wow, 9-0 proof that legal Limbo exists.
If I recall correctly this sort of no-decision-non-action is also actively employed by the Govt in cases of forfeiture? That is, plaintiff must first petition the agency for relief/review (not sure legal term), which the agency neither grants nor denies… then proceeds to take or re-zone land under the grounds that the time for petitioning has expired? Upon appeal courts rule that they don’t have standing to appeal since there’s no ruling to appeal? Something like that?
(I’m probably bungling the details, but there seems to be a trend here).Report
Cf. felons in Florida who need to pay their fines to be able to vote, but who can’t find out how large the fines are. The federal court just OKed this situation.Report
Oddly enough, this kind of legal limbo is not something actively opposed by groups like the NRA. You would think they would be banging that drum and getting Congress to stop permitting such limbo, or dragging case after case in front of SCOTUS, but it’s mostly crickets.Report
It’s the usual BS with them. Manufacturer trade association posing as a civil rights organization.Report
It’s not just the NRA, it’s the whole 2A cheerleaders who also cheer for the Blue Wall.
Dr. Hanley had a post of FB about an argument he was having with a person who was pro-2A but wholly against felons getting their rights back because reasons. And not just the logical, “all rights are reinstated as soon as the full debt to society is paid”, but also any kind of judicial review for the re-establishment of rights. There are a lot of people who are all about ‘rights’ unless you are convicted of a felony, and then you lose your rights forever, as far as they are concerned*.
And sadly, these people exist across political divides, because the return of rights generally implies all rights, and if it’s one of those rights you don’t like those people to have…
*I’m betting that attitude overlaps heavily with people who think any person who runs afoul of the police is obviously guilty of something.Report
I’m pretty sure that the 2A argument has been settled for the time-being. First-time gun buyer numbers are up and they’re primarily in demographics that tend to lean Democratic anyway (African-Americans, Women).
(I mean, that’s above and beyond the whole whiplash of how much power we’d pivot to thinking Law Enforcement ought to have given the last couple of months.)Report
I was in a local sporting goods store getting ready for hunting season and as I wandered by the gun case I was astounded to see about 6 guns in a case that holds about 40.
Not sure if its a Covid-19 manufacturing/supply thing or a run on Guns… but if you wanted to buy a gun, you were gonna have to buy what they had left. None of this fancy pick your manufacturer/caliber emoji man stuff.Report
The next time you’re in Big R, wander down and see if they have any Freedom Buckets. Things are slowly getting better now but, for 3 months there, the ammo aisles looked exactly like the Kleenex aisles.Report
I believe it is a run. I’m going to the show in Chantilly this weekend and have been told to expect gouging and chaos.Report
Whenever I go to Chantilly, I steel myself for gouging and chaos… and that’s just Sweetwater Tavern.Report
Yes, it is very sad. But hopefully, that is changing, because (and I could be wrong) that seems to be a bit of a generational thing.
Hopefully.Report
This limbo is literally caused by them. They’re the people who demand that BATFE not be funded, or at least reward politicians who brag about cutting funding to it.
Which of course, results in long turn around for background checks, so the NRA can argue that it’s not possible to do them for all transactions or something.
At some point, people need to accept the NRA is a con…and I’m not talking about the fact the leadership was operating as a money siphon. I mean the fact it often causes things, or refuses to migrate things, that it itself complains about.
Let me give what is perhaps the best example: People here have repeatedly explained to me that gun control laws are a confusing chaotic mess in different states. You know what organization has the resources to manage some sort of database of that, make it public, and even create some sort of reference where people could look up their specific gun model and find out this information? Hmm.Report
Why? You can just buy this.
https://www.amazon.com/Travelers-Guide-Firearm-Fifty-States/dp/0578607875
Sure, it might take a some time to refresh vs an online database, but the data is there…and no one really cares much about the laws in other states unless they are travelling to or through them. So why was resources.Report
Are you really asking me why a ‘civil rights organization’ would be providing people of exactly what their rights are under the law in specific circumstance?
It’s a little baffling, isn’t it? But you’re right, under that logic, the ACLU would have a ‘what rights do you have when speaking to the police’, the EFF would have a page telling people how to FOIA information about themselves, the Human Rights Campaign would have information about LGBTQ rights at a state and county level.
But none of them do!
I mean, there’s all sorts of stuff they aren’t doing that they could be, considering they have to keep track of all track of it _anyway_ if they want to fight it. If they’re trying to change the laws, they clearly have to know what laws exist. And yet, none of them bother to make any of that public!
*holds finger to earpiece*
Oh…they all have exactly those pages and are all doing those exact things? Huh. I did not know that. Thank you, imaginary earpiece.
Oh, it turns out civil rights organizations are generally are very good at explaining rights that people have. For free instead of making them buy a book by a third party. That doing that is literally part of their mission, to explain existing rights and how they fall short in various ways, especially the really complicated situations that confuse people. This is usually a _large_ part of their mission.
Except for the NRA. This is what they have:
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/
That’s it.
And it’ very very incomplete. For the super-obvious: On some states, they mention it’s illegal for a minor to possess a handgun, and others (like Alabama) they don’t bother to mention the law there (It’s the same as any other firearm…which the site doesn’t bother to define. Not there at all.)
This I noticed in ten seconds just clicking between states. I’m not some gun law expert, I just said “Surely Alabama doesn’t let literal children have handguns, why did that section go away? What does the law actually say there?’ and spent ten seconds googling it.
Aka, this is utterly useless as any sort of actual reference! Because…they just sorta randomly include different sections per state. You, random parent living in Alabama whose kid just took up shooting as an extracurricular activity, you want to know if it’s legal for your 17 year old to put their rifle in their car and drive it to a gun range to do shooting, or if you need to be in the car also? Well, good luck figuring that out, the NRA isn’t going to help!Report
This is much better, but yes, not from the NRA.Report
There are numerous reasons the BATFE should not be funded, many of which have to do with the agency having been right up there with ICE when it comes to being out of control.
That said, why is such a thing (the restoration of rights) in the wheelhouse of a law enforcement organization? Or, perhaps more importantly, why is the government allowed to decline to fund resources for the restoration of rights?
To me, that is the more fundamental question, and perhaps the one that needs to be put before the court again (if it has ever gone before). If the government sees fit to expend resources to strip a person’s rights, then they should not be allowed to be stingy when the restoration is sought. If we hold that the protection of rights is a fundamental duty of government, anyway.Report
The push should always go to the citizen.
Meaning that in all cases that the gov’t declines to fund, declines to defend, or any other trick of an overreaching gov’t, the presumption is that the citizen won the case to the fullest extent of the petition. Because you are right, stripping a citizen of their rights should never come lightly, and the gov’t should never be allowed to play rope-a-dope with those rights.Report
Exactly, and IMHO, this is something the SCOTUS should enforce, but refuses to (assuming the question has come before it in the past).Report
People often say something to the effect of; the law is too important to leave to lawyers. And I think that this might be such a case. Again, when the courts do something like this, congress (Fed or State) needs to quickly move to slap them down. It is, in my eyes, a huge failure of jurisprudence.
This is the leviathan.Report
Congress is the one not letting them do the investigations into the petitions.Report
That’s not why the organization shouldn’t be _funded_, that’s why they should have oversight, or controlled by law, or be dissolved.
Not funding things is not actually the way to fix the fact they are out of control. And, yes, I am aware of the irony that I am pro-defunding-the-police, but that’s just a stupid attempt to use right-wing rhetoric back at them, and I don’t like the term. The police should be dismantled and then maybe, partially, reassembled, with other parts put other places.
As should the BATFE, if it is out of control. I’ve heard people say it is, I have no experience there, but…honestly, at this point, I’m willing to believe that about in anything in law enforcement agency. Especially if you’re comparing it to ICE.
In fact, this is a good example of how things should be placed outside law enforcement…although actually I don’t really understand want BATFE would have to do with that anyway. The idea that BATFE somehow should be judging the likelihood of repeated gun crime is insane. BATFE is not really in charge of ‘gun crime’ in the sense of ‘crimes committed with guns’, which is surely what we’re talking about here.
And in fact, they aren’t in charge of this, the DOJ is (Which makes sense), but BATFE inexplicably has a role in this and is able to stall them, for…no reason.Report
The BATF is in charge of tobacco and alcohol because those were major sources of government revenue. Guns were thrown in because Congress decided to tax machine guns. They’re not so much a law enforcement agency as a narrowly-scoped tax enforcement agency looking for a higher purpose.Report
People often forget that the felon rule impacts way more than 2nd Amendment rights, and just how broad that rule is (and, hey, 3 felonies a day!).Report
Hey, this is great. The main things that I’ve noticed about her is that she had a ruling in which she tossed out a claim for Qualified Immunity (granted, it was an exceptionally egregious attempt to claim it, but toss it out she did!) and that she was a clerk rather than a prosecutor and then worked at a law firm rather than in a prosecutor’s office.
So… huh. Not bad.Report
Both Alito and Sotomayor are former prosecutors, so it’s hard to generalize.Report
This is great. Thanks for doing this.Report
Doe v. Purdue doesn’t strike me as an awful decision. It does strike me as drawing into sharp relief fundamental issues of inclusiveness — there are powerful facets of our trafitional adversarial system of justice which deter women from reporting sexual assaults. I’m not at all clear how the demands of the due process clause (and its companion, the confrontation clause, though that may only apply in a criminal proceeding) can be squared with the investigatory and disciplinary processes demanded by Title IX, and Doe’s story presents a fairly extreme example of why that is. It seems to me (at least as a jumping-off point for considering the issue) that in a Title IX discipline matter like Doe’s, a civil rather than criminal due process standard ought to apply. The difference comes up with issues like provision of counsel, what constitutes sufficient advance notice of charges and evidence, and standards of review of decisions. But Purdue didn’t meet that. I’m not really bothered by Barrett’s decision in Doe because of this — the Constitutiontrumps a atatute, after all.
I hope that Barrett would have handed down some guidance about future adjudication, but it sounds like that didn’t happen. Perhaps she couldn’t get her colleagues to sign off on any, and it would have been dicta anyway?
Kanter is more eyebrow-raising. Mr. Kanter seems like a reasonable candidate for restoration of gun rights; his crime was not violent and highly technical. We don’t know the whole story of the man, of course, the way an investigator would. What we do know is that Barrett took it upon herself to write a dissent longer than the underlying majority opinion, indicating strong feeling on her part. That dissent indicates she would have crafted new categories of people and crimes, based on her historical gloss of Stuart-era English practices. The OP notes “She was unpersuaded by the studies cited in the majority opinion that even felons convicted of non-violent crimes are more likely to commit violent crimes in the future,” before concluding that this categorical exclusion approach advances no governmental interest. That doesn’t follow. There’s a governmental interest in preventing violence. Dare I say, it’s a compelling governmental interest. Maybe she might hold that the government’s pursuit of that interest in this case betrays non-narrow tailoring, which is one way to find in Kantor’s favor–but to do that seemingly requires an individualized analysis rather that a categorical one, and she’s not willing to sacrifice categorical exclusions from the gun ownership rights of the post-Heller Second Amendment. I don’t see a viable structure of reasoning to her dissent. Yet based on that fragile reasoning, she’d have given a felon a firearm. I don’t like it, even if better alternative paths to that destination are available.Report
Further to the above, when did she clerk on the Supreme Court? Could she have had a hand in writing the Heller decision?Report
Wikipedia says that she clerked for Scalia from 1998 to 1999.
Heller was 2008.Report
Okay. Well, so much for that idea.Report
I think one thing such studies often fail to consider is the 2nd order effects of convicting a person of a felony in the first place. A non-violent felony still closes off large avenues of opportunity for most people and limits their ability to get ahead.
In short, they are studies that conclude that people who have had their foot cut off have trouble walking.Report
There are very few judges or justices who are perfect clockwork in their decisions. We also both know that most decisions do not involve hot button issues and it is very easy for the Supreme Court to issue a 9-0 decision to clarify some circuit split on an issue of Civil Procedure or Admiralty Law or something that is largely seen as “non-controversial.”*
But for the most part, there are very few surprise justices anymore. Everyone has learned from the examples of Eisenhower nominating Warren and Brennan and Nixon appointing Blackmun. The last surprise Justices were probably Stevens and Souter. Merrick Garland would have been a reliable vote for the liberal side on hot-button issues more often than not despite his reputation as a moderate milquetoast. He certainly would have joined with Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan in clawbacks on mandatory arbitration clauses as an example. Amy Coney Barnett is more likely than not to write decisions that please conservative activists on hot button issues.
*Though nothing is completely without controversy as a decision like Twombly seems neutral on its face as does the rewrite of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure on discovery but those decisions do make it harder for plaintiffs to bring edge cases in Federal Court.Report
I could have been clearer.
The studies cited by the government that felons are more likely to commit further crimes did not differentiate between violent and non violent felons, contributing to her not presuming a logical nexus.
I think violent crime is fairly easy to define (with a few exceptions- I realize courts find burglary to be “violent”, even when no one is home and no one is harmed. My state use to categorize simple DUI as violent, too.) I think it could be more narrowly tailored, and I think that is her point. Categorical, but not such a broad category.
She recognizes the compelling government interest but not an arbitrary connection between it and, as she points to as an example, selling pigs without a license.Report
“There’s a governmental interest in preventing violence. ”
lol
So if you’re convicted of a Felony Crime then the government can just do whatever it wants to you, and that’s okay because It’s In The Interest Of Preventing Future Violence?
Those convicted of felony crimes can have their phones tapped, can have their homes searched without warrant or notice? If a law-enforcement official involved in that activity finds something they believe is suspicious, the person can be arrested without a warrant, denied counsel, and held indefinitely without a trial?Report
Its not just them – this is the crux of the whole warrantless surveillance program started under Bush the Later and cemented under Obama.Report
It’s interesting how I agree with the Purdue case for…reasons that no one seems to like.
I…really hate cases dismissed on standing grounds. The idea the person has no right to put this in front of a jury is…dumb. Likewise, the idea that he _only_ has standing to challenge by the ROTC, and wouldn’t if that wasn’t true, is also dumb.
Public colleges are not _required_ to educate people but they, like government institutions, are required to act in a semi-rational manner and not just randomly deny service to people. Driving is a privilege, not a right, one that even has a few subjective judgements like the driving test, but we don’t let DMV clerks deny you a license because they don’t like your MAGA hat or whatever, and there really should be a legal remedy if that’s what they do.
Yes, Perdue had ‘rules’, but the rules Perdue operated under are…really bad. _And_ the people in charge of disciplinary meetings didn’t even slightly seem to care to getting to the truth. Talking to neither the accused _or even the accusator_. No sworn statements, no witnesses. A ‘jury’ that clearly did not care.
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However, the sexual discrimination argument is…really interesting.
What John really proved was that the school perhaps had a bias on cracking down on _sexual assault_, due to funding threats That’s not the same thing as bias against _men_. It’s not a _good_ thing, we should start all criminal accusations with the idea that ‘the crime must be demonstrated to some level’, even if the bar is lower here. But it’s not a violation of Title IX, just due process.
And if your thought is ‘But men are mostly the people accused of sexual assault, so a tendency to disbelieve them is bias against men.’, then…yes. You are correct. Except: If conservatives actually believe the logic of that, they would notice…the opposite must be true, bias against believe allegations of sexual assault is…sexism. And…wow.
Conservatives: Suddenly arguing that there is systematic, nationwide discrimination against women, due to the lack of the system believing their assault allegations…because conservatives decided to argue it had inverted in one case. Alrighty!
But what about the ‘Alcohol isn’t the cause of campus sexual assault. Men are.’ article that a different part of the university posted?
This is yet more logic I’d like to conservatives start applying _anywhere else_, because they often seem to be the ones who argue that ‘evidence’ like this _isn’t really evidence_ of biases. Like a sexist cartoon passed around by men at a business can’t be used to prove any sort any sort of company-wide sexual discrimination. Or that, [Note: Remember to come back and replace this with whatever the latest horrible instances of police racist message boards or belonging to white nationalism organizations showed up recently.]
But suddenly here, we’re suppose to think this one link to one article by the part of the university that is supposed to stop sexual assaults and encourage the reporting, _not_ the part that actually adjudicated over the suspension, means the entire thing is biased?
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Like, if this is where conservative thought has honestly ended up, if they legitimately believe what is alleged in this case, that bias _towards_ believing claims of sexual assault are sexist against men. (And thus bias against believing those claims are sexist against women.) And also that very slight indications at the institutional levels (Instead of the decision-making level) help prove discrimination, then…I will throw a party.
But I’m pretty sure this only applies when it’s _men_ who are the victim.
Which, again, he is a victim of a completely unfair process, and again, he should have his day in court. Honestly, I think he should win, if what is reported is true. Although that’s not actually what’s under discussion. He certainly should get to go to court with it.
But I’d really like to see some indication from Barrett that this isn’t _just_ when it’s men.Report
It’s not standing so much as due process. Standing is the ability to plausibly claim that one has been injured in some material way. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Doe had been injured. He lost a scholarship, he lost the ability to attend the school for a year, he lost the ability to pursue a career in the Navy.
Due process is different. The classic markers of due process are 1) notice of the charges against you, 2) an opportunity to respond to the charges against you, 3) a neutral and fair decision-maker (not necessarily a jury), 4) the ability to present evidence on your own behalf, and 5) the ability to examine and question the evidence presented against you. You can see where Purdue’s process doesn’t live up to those standards.
Bear in mind also that Title IX requires that a college receiving federal money have conduct codes that include imposing discipline for the sort of thing Doe was accused of. And that the college provide fair procedures for the hearing of these claims aimed at providing an equal educational opportunity for men and women alike. Those hearings don’t have to be like court hearings. But they do have to be aimed at advancing the goal of equal access to education for women.
That’s the backdrop against which your thoughts about how notions of equality and sexuality on campus in today’s world come into play. I’m not popular in some circles for pointing out that too much experimentation with a classic adversarial procedure risks losing some of the hallmarks of due process, precisely because the requirements of Title IX guidance suggest that strict adherence to a classic judicial exchange creates a playing field that is inherently uneven to a female accuser against a male respondent.
I don’t know what the fair solution is, but I do know that the Constitution trumps a statute, and the Due Process Clause is the Constitution and Title IX is a statute and whatever the solution winds up being, it’s going to have to be a different way of dealing with the statute because the Constitution isn’t going to and oughtn’t change to accommodate even as powerful a concern as this.Report
Thanks, this is interesting and good project. I’ve seen commentary on Kanter v Barr around the Civic v Personal rights issue which i don’t get. Voting isn’t individual??? I’m not sure where or what this distinction is being made on. This leads to the seeming result that it’s easier to strip voting rights from a person then gun rights.Report
It is easier to strip voting rights, yes. The 14th Amendment says at Section 2:
“But when the right to vote… is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced…” That language indicates that voting rights can be abridged for those who commit crimes (otherwise why mention it as an exception to the reduction in representation for denying the vote to eligible citizens?)
I differentiate a personal right from a civic right in that a civic right is one that amounts to a right to participate in certain aspects of society, like the examples of voting and jury service. A personal right is one that effects the individual alone. If your 4th amendment rights are violated, it does not affect society (except perhaps in a broad sense that upholding the rights of one is important in order to uphold the rights of all.) I agree that its a subtle difference.Report
I’m sure you’re correct but it seems insaneish. My right to free speech or religion impacts no one else but they are sure held as things we should very rarely abridge. It does seem consistent with the opinion piece i read where this easily leads to felons being able to buy guns but not vote. Which sounds exactly like US of A 2020!!! but not actually good imho.Report
You’re correct though that’s the point. The rights that affect you specifically are not to be abridged. Your right to worship, speak, protect yourself, receive a fair trial, etc. Exceptions should be extremely rare and only under extraordinarily compelling circumstances.Report
Just want to add that I personally also support voting rights for felons.Report
It seems silly that a felon can’t vote for president but can be one.Report
Eh. Some felonies.
I’m cool with saying to a guy who got sent to the clink for some dumb stuff who has repaid his debt to society having all rights and privileges returned to him.
But someone who, for example, kills another person has pretty much removed that person’s right to vote. Forever.
I am less cool with saying “okay, you can vote again!” to this person.Report
I’m OK with letting the punishment fit the crime. If you committed a crime with a gun, you lose gun rights. If you conspired to disenfranchise people (hello, NC legislature), you lose the right to vote. If you interfered with the CDC during a pandemic, you get used for alpha testing of treatments, and so on.Report
Yeah, but this can also get you to The Death Penalty and I’m not so sure that I’m a fan of giving the government quite that much power.
I mean, look at what the cops do with it.Report
If you kill someone with a gun that sensible gun control laws would have forbidden you, you get featured on “I’m the NRA” ads.Report
Can we reform the cops before we start passing new laws for them to enforce or are we just going to jump straight to shooting people in the wrong apartment in the building off of Elm and Black Lives Matter Boulevard?Report
Great analysis Em!Report
The real question is whether she’ll be the fifth vote to hand Trump the presidency. Ted Cruz thinks so.Report
Possibly. I haven’t read anything of hers yet that would give any insight into that issue. Ideally, it would depend on the facts and the questions of law that rise to the top of the melee, rather than her druthers.Report
So, completely unlike what happend in 2000.Report
My Request:
Does she have anything related to Wickard?Report
You can read this, if the commerce clause really floats your boat. I probably won’t write about it, because boring.
http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/rssExec.pl?Submit=Display&Path=Y2020/D08-04/C:19-1564:J:Barrett:aut:T:fnOp:N:2558401:S:0Report
Huh. Grubhub workers ain’t doing Interstate Commerce.
I’d think that they’d have a better shot at saying they were than Farmer Filburn had at saying he wasn’t.Report
If she’s confirmed, her seven children won’t have any avenue to appeal her decisions. 🙁
Just thought I’d throw that out there.Report
The most unpredictable thing for me, and I think most casual observers, is stare decisis. I can understand the originalist versus living Constitution continuum, and the Democratic versus Republican ideological leanings. But I don’t know how to guess if a Justice is going to be inclined to overturn precedent or not. I don’t know if you can gauge that from their non-SCOTUS history, either.
On one side, you’ve got people like Thomas, who was probably always going to ignore precedent because he’s committed to the words of the law. Then you’ve got Roberts, who seems willing to follow any precedent. But is that just because of the role he sees himself in? If he were an Associate Justice, would he be more inclined to upset the apple cart?Report
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She has written about precedent. I will probably get into that at some point.Report
The 15th Amendment:
Not a single Republican on the Court was committed to these words. Least of all Thomas, who wanted to throw out the entire VRA.Report
Well, let’s look at Biden’s picks. He said he’s going to nominate an African American woman. Presently there are only three on federal appeals courts, Bernice Donald (age 69) on the Sixth Circuit, Ojetta Thompson (age 69) on the First Circuit, and Judith Rogers (age 81) on the DC circuit.Report
I don’t think Kagan was ever even a judge?
Like becoming a Cardinal, it seems that only Bishops can become one, but it’s not a requirement.Report
Well, he could nominate Oprah or Michelle Obama, I suppose, or go with a law professor or district judge. I think all that really matters is race and sex.Report
Excellent, Em. Thank you so much for investing your time and effort into researching and writing this.Report