25 thoughts on “State of the Union: Pre-game, Live Thread, and Reax

  1. The big moment so far tonight, as far as I can tell from my particular bubble, is that Trump brought in Juan Guaido and called him the “legitimate President of Venezuela”.Report

  2. He awarded Rush Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and Melania walked right over and put it on him! Prior rumors were that they’d work on getting him the award over the coming months.

    I haven’t watched the rest of it because I have an upset stomach.Report

  3. There’s a particular trick that Trump likes to use where he overstates good numbers and a certain segment of the media can be relied upon to “fact check” his numbers and explain that, no, instead of Trump’s statement that we haven’t had an unemployment rate this low since the 50’s, we had a lower rate in 1968 and we tied this rate in 1969. So we haven’t had an unemployment rate this low since the 60’s. The *LATE* 60’s, not the early 60’s.

    And so the fact checkers, in pointing out Trump’s mistake/lie, remake Trump’s point for him.

    Also, apparently, Rush Limbaugh got the Presidential Medal of Freedom? (Has he even been relevant since 2006 and announcing that he carries water for policies that he doesn’t agree with?)Report

        1. Pretty sure my grandma still listens to him every day, and has since approx 1992. My bet is no one you know listens to him because you and your social circle are not retirees.Report

          1. I listen to Rush for about 45 minutes 3 times a week. Definitely not a retiree.

            Most likely this came about because Rush has come out stating he has advanced lung cancer. Not a huge shock since he has been a heavy cigar smoker most of his life.Report

  4. I’m curious if there’s ever been another military family reunion during SOTU. Maybe I’ve just missed it but this is bizarre.Report

    1. Rush Limbaugh has had the #1 program on US airwaves for one third of the entire existence of radio, which is simply astonishing. Not even Will Rogers could match that, and Will was unbelievably dominant.Report

      1. A pretty successful musician I know, in response to someone running down Brittany Spears, said every one of the people who gain attention in the public eye have supreme talent, even if it’s not a type of talent you appreciate. Rush was popular. Massively popular. Hell, even I used to listen to him (in an anthropological observation sense, but whatever). When I think back on the contours of conservatism in the US from the 80s to now, it’s easy, and perhaps (lazily) all too easy, to attribute conservatism’s cultural resurgence to the singular efforts of Rush Limbaugh. I mean, he was not only iconic but occupied a place of centrality in cultural thought rarely achieved by pop culture intellectuals/analysts.Report

          1. Listening to Rush helped me understand conservatism. He certainly didn’t push me away from it (or draw me into it). My takeaway was that, pretty consistently, Rush’s conservatism was grievance-based and grievance fueled, which (I think) is a time honored form of conservatism. It’s just not a type of conservatism I’m inclined to support.Report

            1. Yes. In 1980 as a naive and brash 20 year old I was enthused by the idea of a utopian conservatism that would solve the world’s problems, combat the Evil Empire and bring about justice.

              A decade later, as a 30 something who had been knocked around by life a bit, I saw that Rush (and Newt) had no real ideas other than the sulking grievance of the bitter divorced dad drinking alone at the end of the bar.Report

              1. My FIL is a) a diehard Limbaugh conservative who b) is a white male government-trained, government-employed, government-pensioned, Medicare-receiving *griever* who thinks Big Government Liberals are ruining America.

                Rush gave this man a voice!Report

              2. My FIL criticized Obamacare for being “too socialist”. I said, “well, what do you think Obama should have done instead?” He said something like the VA, or Medicare.

                Thanks Rush!Report

        1. I am not denying he wasn’t successful but everything you says below to Chip does not sound like it deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom. This is the award given to people like Jonas Salk and Rosa Parks or Mr. Rodgers (by Bush II). It makes perfect sense for Trump to give it to Rush but the is still a grievance fueled bigot who earned millions by convincing white guys that they were the real victims

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/05/whats-next-giving-presidential-medal-freedom-david-duke/?fbclid=IwAR1r7_ASIdy4VTZKRXLHLvL4HgXEFUPIV4EI337J0F2F6OD1rdc8iVFDExEReport

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