Harsh Your Mellow Monday: Landslides Are Best Left for Songs, and Other Fleeting Hopes
Landslides that aren’t coming for Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, The Des Moines Register’s rough season, backside of the Super Bowl over-reaction, Rashida Tlaib said things, and the lessons of Falkirk. Let’s get after it.
[HM1] Leave the Landslides to Fleetwood Mac
Although I’m on the record doubting Senator Bernie Sanders’ prospects, let’s play along for a moment, because Team Trump has been stoking the fires of the Bernie supporters for a while now. The president himself and his messaging machine has found it fitting to repeat the mantra of the Bernie supporters that having been screwed in 2016 (he well may have been) the DNC and establishment were going to do it to the Independent Senator that becomes a Democrat when he runs for president this time around (maybe, we will see). Notably, at his Iowa rally Thursday night, the president laid off Sanders despite him being the favorite to win the caucuses there. So why is MAGAland throwing Bernie a bone lately? The theory goes that the avowed Democratic Socialist will be an easier opponent than some of the others vying for the nomination, fits the president’s messaging to his base, and might — according to this line of thinking –even have the added bonus of splitting parts of the Democratic coalition. Then, some of them proclaim, President Trump wins a landslide reelection similar to Reagan wiping the the electoral floor with Walter Mondale.
Bernie Sanders may win the nomination, and may well split part of the party in doing so, but the idea there is going to be a landslide Trump triumph is the stuff of MAGAland fan fiction.
Sanders’ supporters and their various issues with the Democratic Party are legion and well-known, so we are not going to rehash them all here. To be fair, the DNC and others have a point when a candidate only wants their party when seeking high office, eschews the label the rest of the time, and by some counts something like 12% of Bernie’s Democratic primary voters switched to Trump in the general election against frenemy Hillary Rodham Clinton. Clinton, who is once again not being quiet about Sanders’ interruption of what supposed to be her 2016 coronation, is playing right into all of this and probably doesn’t care what it means.
Sounds dire, right? Is all that potential dysfunction enough for a 49 state blowout?
No. No, it is not. Not in this present environment.
It brought to mind something Geoffrey Skelley had touched on last May at 538, when the primary contenders were just getting the field set.
In the recent string of close elections, there have been two in which the nominee who won the national popular vote didn’t win the Electoral College — 2000 and 2016. Before 2000, the last time a candidate had won the popular vote but not the Electoral College was in 1888.
Now, some might not consider a large single-digit margin — such as Barack Obama’s 7-point win in 2008 — to be “close.” But it’s worth noting that out of 21 presidential elections from 1904 to 1984 — or the time between these two competitive periods — only nine had margins in the single digits. The other 12 were double-digit blowouts.
What was behind the competitiveness of presidential elections in the late 19th century and our current time? Most obviously, both eras featured high levels of political polarization and partisanship. According to VoteView.com, the largest ideological gaps between the two parties in Congress occurred at the end of the 19th century and around our present time. And recent data from the Pew Research Center shows that the American public has been becoming more politically polarized. Other research has found twin peaks in partisanship in the late 19th century and the current era, with highly nationalized elections that exhibited consistent voting patterns from state to state. It’s no coincidence that Electoral College maps in both periods often looked very similar from election to election.
Whether you like it or not, we are living in the longest era of highly competitive elections since the Civil War.
Whoever the nominee for the Democratic Party is going to be, President Trump is still a very polarizing figure. No matter who the candidate is a 3-5 point victory for Donald Trump’s re-election, while comparatively decisive, would be the high-end of realistic optimism. A more likely victory scenario for the president is to replicate his Electoral College win from 2016 with a modest increase in voting and just enough division on Team Blue to keep him in office four more years. That is, of course, if the economy holds up. The last wide margin of victory in a presidential race — Barack Obama’s — in 2008, was greatly affected by the financial crisis that hit in September of that year and John McCain’s questionable response to it. McCain probably wasn’t winning anyway, but Hope and Change against a serious economic scare only weeks before voting started was a teed up shot Barack Obama wasn’t going to miss hitting. If the economy falters, the talk of an electoral wipeout might be whispered about against the president, instead of for.
But absent world economic collapse, a major shooting war, or a giant squid attacking the East Coast, this is going to be a war of attrition along well established political trenches. There will be no blowout victor coasting to victory in prime time on election night. Only a survivor of a close and politically brutal contest.
[HM2] You Had One Job To Do: Des Moines Register Edition:
It’s been a really rough few months for the Des Moines Register.
Every four years, Iowa becomes the focus of the political world, and The Des Moines Register as the paper of record for the fine folks of that area enjoys a moment of prominence. Usually the paper gets to contribute a moderator to a debate or two, and the nation’s media consumers look to them for the local expertise on the goings on of the Iowa Caucuses. The release of the final polling numbers was even going to get a CNN prime-time slot for the big reveal.
Nothing is more important to the Register and its polling partners than the integrity of the Iowa Poll. Today, a respondent raised an issue with the way the survey was administered, which could have compromised the results of the poll. It appears a candidate’s name was omitted in at least one interview in which the respondent was asked to name their preferred candidate.
While this appears to be isolated to one surveyor, we cannot confirm that with certainty. Therefore, the partners made the difficult decision to not to move forward with releasing the Iowa Poll.
In the lead-up to the 2020 election, all eyes are on Iowa. Get updates of all things Iowa politics delivered to your inbox.
The Register has published the Iowa Poll for 76 years, and it is considered the gold standard in political polling. Selzer & Co., which conducts the poll, is recognized for its excellence in polling. It is imperative whenever an Iowa Poll is released that there is confidence that the data accurately reflects Iowans’ opinions. — Carol Hunter
The conspiracy theorist will run rampant with that one, but since this isn’t the first publicly embarrassing incident for the Des Moines Register in recent months maybe the answer is much more simple, since poor leadership tends to carry over from incident to incident.
You remember Carol Hunter, don’t you. This is the second national mess the Des Moines Register has found itself in recently, and the second time Hunter has put out a statement on the matter. The first was back during the Carson King/Aaron Calvin/Beer sign guy kerfuffle that went from feel good viral story, to cancel culture touchstone, to journalistic maelstrom. After that bit of fun, Carol Hunter did a statement, which most, including me, found wanting:
That press conference was before the Des Moines Register article, and the backlash against Calvin and the Register was immediate. The Register went ahead and posted the profile a few hours later, and even though it was mostly positive, the damage was done. Everything the Des Moines Register did after that just made it worse. First came the realization that Calvin himself had very questionable things in his own social media, started deleting old tweets, then apologized and locked his Twitter account. The Register’s social media postings continued to get ratioed and draw withering criticism, and finally Executive Editor Carol Hunter took to the pages of her own paper with a terribly thought out piece entitled: “We hear you. You’re Angry. Here’s what we are doing about it.” After informing readers that the reporter in question was no longer with the paper, this summary was given:
The Register reporter writing the profile had discovered the tweets on King’s public timeline earlier in the day, and he asked King about them. King, to his credit, expressed immediate regret.
The timeline gets a bit complicated here: Register editors discussed at length whether to include information about the tweets and King’s remorse in our profile, but we were still editing the story when King talked to local TV stations. Busch Light announced its decision shortly afterward. We hadn’t yet published anything about his tweets when some people on social media began accusing the Register of doing King wrong and ruining a potential opportunity to continue raising millions of dollars to help sick children.
Many of you have said the timeline is beside the point. You’ve asked instead why we chose to look into King’s tweets in the first place. Some of you then noticed questionable tweets by the reporter himself, which the Register then began to investigate.
The idea that the paper’s coverage had nothing to do with pulling of support is ridiculous on its face, but the real problem here isn’t the horribly managed reactions, but the utter failure of leadership prior to that. The whole of the piece is an embarrassing exercise in CYA couched in journalistic buzzwords and paragraphs containing many words but somehow missing the only ones that should be uttered by a leader after a systemic failure like this: This was wrong.
If your big moment in the sun is every four years, you should probably spend the three years or so in the meantime tightening up your operation and decision making processes. Not to mention your leadership. Otherwise, folks might find themselves in 2024 looking elsewhere for the pulse of the caucusing Iowan. Gold standards can be tarnished, after all, if not maintained.
[HM3] Shaken, and Greatly Stirred, Super Bowl Halftime Reax
There was a sportsball game last night. You may have heard. It was a good game, with two teams that are easy to root for, multiple story lines, a come-from-behind win, and Kansas City getting their first title in 50 years. A feel good story all around.
So naturally, social media is all hyped up over the halftime show.
Shakira and Jennifer Lopez co-headlined the performance. Now, I’m old enough to remember Fly Girl In Living Color-era JLo, and also when Shakira first managed to break through after being a superstar in the Spanish-speaking world before that. At 43 and 50 years of age, respectively, Shakira and Jennifer Lopez did what they have spent most of their careers doing: singing, dancing, entertaining, some more dancing, and lots of hip and booty shaking in the middle.
Shaking butts on the biggest TV show of the year? Well then, cue up the outrage.
But you shouldn’t be.
If you don’t know who those two entertainers are, or how they have entertained for the last 20+ years, that’s on you. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but slow your roll on “But the Children!!!” stuff. “The Children” were more likely invested in Demi Lovato singing, and doing a good job of it, the National Anthem. Most young teens and down in age know Shakira as that judge from The Voice and from Zootopia, and know JLo from being a dance show judge on TV. Most of those same kids Googled and YouTubed to find out about them, and saw far more provocative stuff than anything that was on the field in Miami.
But pouncing must be done, ranging from the predictable cries about the children’s eyes and delicate innocence to eye-rolling stupidity of the grifter class linking multi-millionaires grinding on stage to sex trafficking.
Folks, simmer down. If you don’t want your children to see it, shoo them from the room or change the channel. The puppy bowl was on. It’s your choice.
Try not to be threatened by wiggly bottoms on a voluntary-to-watch TV show. Those with the most outrage points at death do not win the game of life. Courage now.
[HM4] Against Hillary, but Only The Acceptable Amount
Speaking of Hillary Clinton rising up from the shadows to once again take a run at Bernie, Sanders supporter and “Squad” member Rep Rashida Tlaib (D-MI13) was having none of it:
BREAKING: At a @BernieSanders rally in Iowa tonight, a leading Sanders’ surrogate @RashidaTlaib led the crowd in booing @HillaryClinton. pic.twitter.com/AKdi2psI2h
— Christopher J. Hale (@chrisjollyhale) February 1, 2020
As has become something of a habit for her, this was followed with a walk-back and explaining statement:
My statement regarding last night:
“I am so incredibly in love with the movement that our campaign of #NotMeUs has created. This makes me protective over it and frustrated by attempts to dismiss the strength and diversity of our movement. (1/4)
— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) February 1, 2020
For all the press they have dominated, both justified and overblown, “The Squad” is also subject to an election this year, and of the members Rep Tlaib is by far the most likely to have re-election trouble. She won a six-way race by 900 votes, and has been in the headlines for plenty of stuff not related to representing her constituents of the Michigan 13. Her famous “We’re going to impeach the motherF*$@#!!!” was not exactly keeping with Speaker Pelosi’s edict of solemnity, and she has had other issues since taking her house seat. Hillary Clinton is not a favorite of the Bernie supporting squad, but she won the Detroit area 13th in a rout. With it being a +32 blue district, which is about as air-tight safe as it gets, being a noisy wheel who doesn’t play ball is a good way to get yourself a primary challenger backed by those you rail against in your own party.
Playing national surrogate for Bernie Sanders is all well and good, but to not take care of the folks at home — or at least appear too — while keeping your own party’s backing is a tried and true formula for being a one and done congresswoman.
[HM5] Grifting in The Name Of
Over at Arc Digital, Joshua Tait did a review of the latest 501c3 slush fund to come out of grifting supercouple Jerry Falwell, Jr. and Charlie Kirk, which he generously plays along to their calling it a “think tank:”
A historian of think tanks, Jason Stahl, argues that this strategy of imitating the academy lowered the barriers of entry for conservative ideas and elevated them to an artificial parity with academic scholarship. The aim was to create a right-leaning alternative to academia for conservative or centrist lawmakers. It was very successful.
One key to this strategy has been maintaining intellectual legitimacy. No one will cite a Cato or American Enterprise Institute study if it’s not considered credible. Nor will they be able to win money from non-partisan sources. Despite their ideological priors, good think tanks strive — not always successfully — to maintain credibility.
The Falkirk Center seems to undermine this strategy, or at least goes in a different direction. It takes to heart Andrew Breitbart’s claim that “politics is downstream from culture.” Instead of hoping to influence policy, the Falkirk Center bets it can make a dent in our civic discourse with online influencers. Maybe there is something to the assumption: if we’ve learned one thing over the last five years, it’s that social media and web media influencers can shape our discourse.
But a culture war first, celebrity-based strategy, especially modeled on Turning Point USA, risks defaulting on the credibility necessary to sustain a think tank as anything other than another stable of online shouters. In this vein, it’s strange to notice the ostentatiously highbrow Claremont Institute awarding Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec one of its Lincoln Fellowships for 2019.
We could go all day about Junior Jerry and Kirk, but I’ll just add this. Along with the moronic Battle of Falkirk analogy they should have thought through, there is one other thing. The history of the word “Falkirk,” if chased down far enough, comes out to something akin to “speckled church.” If you consider Kirk and Falwell as a growing mold needing to be washed off the faithful, then the imagery works quite well.
HM1: To be very slightly fair, I know some Democrats who also think nominating Bernie is a going to lead to Nixon in 72 or Mondale in 1984 style defeats. I think this is very wrong though. There are also freak outs about Bernie from Chait and Saletan in the Democratic pundit sphere. There is something about Sanders that makes his fans and his detractors kind of nuts.
For better or for worse, Sanders and Warren are the only nominees who take the concerns of younger voters seriously. In this case, younger means under 40. But Sanders dominates among younger voters who were truly fucked over by the recession and also those who were never interested in party politics. This morning I saw a poll asking supporters of various candidates if they would vote for the Democratic nominee for President even said nominee was not their preferred choice. 90 percent of Warren supporters said yes, only 53 percent of Sanders supporters said yes. This is better than the 50 percent of Yang supporters who said yes. To me, this shows Warren to be a Democratic candidate and Sanders to be something of his own making. His fans put a messiah aura about him, just like Trump’s fans. He is somehow the only person who sees all the ills and knows all the cures. That being said, Sanders would be more hamstrung by a Democratic congress than Trump is by his lackeys in the Senate.
There might also be tactical advantages in ignoring younger voters like Biden largely does. Iowa is today, we will see the results.
I make the same assumptions as you though. The demographics of the United States are too different and Trump is too hated for a Trump v. Sanders race to lead to a huge Trump victory. I can’t picture a world where NY, MA, CA, HI, OR, WA, NJ, CT, RI, IL, DE, CO, VT, Maine, NM go Republican just because of Sanders especially considering Trump.
To be honest and maybe this is because I am not a joiner, I don’t get Bernie Sanders messiahism. “Sanders cannot fail, he can only be failed” is just as bad as “Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed” or every god damn love poem to Reagan that conservatives like to do. Yet for a large part of the under 35 or so set, Bernie might as well be treated as a messiah type figure who will make everything a stable full of unicorns and ponies that happen not to shit.Report
I can’t picture a world where NY, MA, CA, HI, OR, WA, NJ, CT, RI, IL, DE, CO, VT, Maine, NM go Republican just because of Sanders especially considering Trump.
I have a very important question for you:
Can you imagine a world where Donald Trump beats Hillary Clinton in Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin?Report
Or a Socialist winning Texas?Report
I’d be more than happy enough to entertain the argument that Bernie Sanders flips Texas if he goes up against Trump there.
Is that argument on the table?
I mean, I’d be more than happy enough to say that Sanders is a more appealing candidate than Clinton but a lot of my assumptions in that statement involve Clinton being an unappealing candidate and I’m not certain that that latter assumption is shared.
(Also: Trump is more appealing than Cruz.)Report
The argument on the table is that events are unpredictable and fluid.Report
Sure.
But the argument has premises.Report
Isn’t FL the linchpin though? Have to win FL to put MI/WI/PA in play. Even then, the Dems only have to win a single toss-up state. Further, if they win FL, they could lose MI/WI/PA with a win in *either* NC or AZ.
If I were Dems, my big question would be who wins FL. Trump won 49% – 47.8% (+113k votes)
Really, its hard to see how the Dems lose… but I have a few ideas on how they will try.Report
From my recollections of 2016, I think that I always thought that FL would go for Trump and MI, WI, and PA would go for Clinton.
(Wait, apparently, I thought that WI and PA would go for Trump? what was I smoking…)
Anyway, if asked to play with the 270 to Win map for Biden, I start with 2016 and start flipping red states. Maybe I flip NH from blue to red. Maybe I don’t. I don’t know if I flip Florida or not.
If asked to play with the map for Bernie… I don’t know where to start. Not with the 2016 map, that’s for sure.Report
Good point about Sanders… I have no idea either.
Biden is currently +2 against Trump in FL… in the flipping 2016 states game, still think FL is the key state… everything hinges off of which way FL is going.
Of course, the official strategy of each party should be to win all the states… but, you know…Report
Really, its hard to see how the Dems lose
I think I found the flaw in this reasoning: it assumes Democrats are minimally competent rational political actors. 🙂Report
I did in 2016.Report
I can imagine a world where a lot of states like NY, MA, WA, NJ, CT, RI, and DE go Republican if Sanders is the nominee. All the big investment firms, and all the medium size investment firms, and all the small investment firms, and everyone who owns a business, are going to look at Sanders, look at Cuba and Venezuela, and dump an unbelievable amount of money into the campaigns of anyone who isn’t Sanders. They’ll buy so much airtime that prime time TV will look like one big infomercial.
Recall Hillary’s secret Wall Street speeches, where she had a very different message than for everybody else. The core of her party is bought, and knows to stay bought, because everybody makes out like bandits by just giving some lip service to reforms and regulations. Trump is willing to swing a hammer, as he did on ending the exemptions for state taxes, but he’s also focused on driving the economy to new heights, which is also making everybody rich. Even Warren’s “Wall Street reform” is a wink-wink, nod-nod kind of thing, like two wolves conspiring over a sheep.
If Sanders actually won, and other branches didn’t manage to neuter him into irrelevance, then when his term was over there wouldn’t be a viable Democrat party for anyone to worry about, because it would have gone as badly as all the other revolutionary socialist movements, most of which are now only remembered because they’re still derisive historical epithets.Report
George, I don’t trust the business owners to know how to write a persuasive ad against Bernie.
“If Bernie Sanders is elected, he will put Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jack Dorsey out of business!”
“If Bernie Sanders is elected, major insurance companies will go bankrupt!”
“If Bernie Sanders is elected, Wall Street will be run out of town on a rail!”
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I think they’ll focus on “If Bernie Sanders is elected, he’ll put you out of business.”
He can’t even understand why we have more than one type of deodorant. In a society where consumer choice is king, he is the blind man.
There’s been a lot of hand wringing about him lately, as the more centrist and establishment Democrats (who love them some corporate donors) wonder whether Bernie bros are a potential disaster that will split the party , either from itself or from the mainstream, similar to having a dominant European left-wing party (Labour, Christian Democrats, etc) splinter off into democratic socialists, greens, eco socialists, independent socialists, socialist workers, social equalitarians, free Democrats, reform Democrats, and farmer trade unionists.
Our election system horribly disadvantages such break ups, but hard-core believers often don’t care about results, just sticking it to the man and voting as a form of group identity and virtue signalling before everybody wises up again.
In any event, yesterday the Rolling Stone had an interesting article on what’s going on in the heads of Democrat voters, as best as anyone can guess.Report
Sure, you can think that, but Business Owners seem to have turned really stupid in the last couple of decades.
I am not confident that the richest man in the world who refuses to pay his workers for mandatory standing in line as they’re wanded as they leave for the day has his finger on the pulse of what will resonate with The Common Man.Report
Nate Silver is saying the polling is getting weird.
Which tells me that the only thing we know is who probably isn’t going to be in 3rd Place? Maybe?
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…unless its Biden polling in 3rd place. [cue ominous music] dun, dun, dun.Report
Biden ain’t comin’ in 3rd.
Iowa went for John Forbes Kerry. They’re going to go for Biden. The question is whether Bernie comes in 2nd like that guy we don’t remember or he gets 3rd place like Howard Dean.Report
So then the idea that maybe they were finally polling the Jeb! surge we’ve been waiting for since 2016 is right out?
I mean… what’s “polling weirdness” if all we’re talking about is a polling nudge of a point here or there? That’s “polling normalness”Report
The Super Bowl, man. There are people too hungover to go to the caucuses today that would have gone if San Francisco won.
This group consists primarily of Warren, Klobuchar, and Buttigeig voters. (The Biden ones always drink that much on a Sunday night. The Sanders ones got stoned instead.)Report
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Biden at 13%?!?!?!?!?
Good Lord. I find it easier to believe that that is an outlier than that that is accurate.Report
Team Evil weighs in:
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I’m not so sure. Did you see yesterday’s photo of Biden kissing his teenage grand daughter on the lips at a campaign event there? That’s the daughter whose dad shacked up with her aunt before knocking up a stripper and then marrying some South African girl after he’d only known her a week or two.
Biden might not be ready for prime time in farm country just yet.Report
{{Iowa isn’t representative of the Democratic Party}}Report
I think the pollsters are remembering 2016 and are scared. They dont want to be the one to get it wrong. Report
This made me wonder: what does Sam Wang say?
Looks like “New Hampshire is Make Or Break for both Biden and Sanders.”
OH MY GOD WE’RE GOING TO GET BLOOMBERGReport
Just to reiterate, Bernie effectively tied in IA and won NH handily in 2016, so the whole “unstoppable momentum” thing isnt actually a thing. Report
HM1: Can we vote for the giant squid?Report
Hey, why vote for the lesser evil?Report
It’s campaign slogan can be “Lets get Kraken!”Report
HM2: From what I heard, Mayor Pete was at the bottom of the list, and the pollster was having trouble reading the poll questions on their tablet, so they had zoomed in a bit and Pete got cut off.Report
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but you are going to scrap the whole thing — plus prime time CNN coverage — over that? Even if it did happen, there would have to be more too it than that. Might be wrong, but that’s a lot of dined on crow for a simple error if that’s the case, and I’m not sure it helps your standing or perception.Report
I wouldn’t have scrapped it over that, just added a footnote. But then, I wouldn’t have used a reader format that cut off questions if the user zoomed in.Report
If Buttigieg loses just because somebody happens to zoom in, he doesn’t have a prayer in Palm Beach County, Florida, or in much of the rest of the state.Report
HM3: This
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Not to worry, Mr. Graham.
The televisions in the chain link cages housing impressionable children were turned off.Report
I find that they are very good at being hypocrites like this. There was an article by Ruth Graham on Slate on evangelical influencers. It was a very weird mix of the sacred and the glamorous secular.
It is almost as if the Bible is a useless moral document and people just use it as something to bludgeon others.Report
Even more noteworthy than the hypocrisy is the belief that *calling out hypocrisy* is the argumentative equivalent of a neutron bomb dropped on your political opponent’s views.Report
Do people calling out hypocrisy believe it to be effective, or merely necessary?Report
Probably both, but in practice it’s neither.Report
Now I’m confused. Has Franklin Graham been having J Lo pole dance at his revivals, and is only upset because she did the same show for the Superbowl half-time audience?Report
I thought he was warning against how banal and idiotic the whole thing was, and to save our children from garbage like this. And how THAT is a moral crime!Report
I dunno I rather enjoyed it. Nothing wrong with a little sexy fun at half time. Americans are too prude.
Of course I’m also going to hell no matter who you ask.Report
(maybe it is because I rather loath that type of music, no matter the sexy
and of course you are going to hell, it’s a dry heat)Report
{shakes fist} “Damn you kids! Go on now! Git!”Report
So we’re going with “you’re wrong on one thing, so your opinion on everything will be rejected”? I didn’t see the halftime show, and I don’t know exactly what Graham was criticizing or how he’s excused Trump’s misbehaviour. So there may be an overlap between them that would make the positions contradictory. But it reads like a whine.Report
On everything? No, that would be terribly unfair.
But if you want to lecture people on morality as it applies to X, and you have a marked history of ignoring those self-same morals when it’s convenient for you, then you lose the requisite credibility to lecture people on the morality of X.Report
Did Trump dress like a stripper and grind to bad music? Cuz if he did that on 5th Avenue, that would lose him some voters.Report
Graham’s worry right now is very focused: keep Donald Trump off the pole. That’d be a deal breaker. Probably.Report
Can we all agree that keeping Trump off the pole would be God’s work?Report
Amen brother.Report
Oh dear lord I need some brain bleach, stat!Report
Is it just me, or is “Landslide” a boring song? It was poignant when it was re-released live, but Fleetwood Mac has been coasting on sentimentality since the 1970’s.Report
but Fleetwood Mac has been coasting on sentimentality since the 1970’s.
Same is true of Joe Biden.Report
[HM3] Hmmn, let’s see if we can navigate this.
If I know someone who
– Thinks Trump is immoral
– Advised against supporting Trump for both his immorality and projected incompetence
– Didn’t vote for Trump
– Continues to advocate against Trump (if not against some portions of the agenda)
– Is pro-impeachment (though thinking it was poorly done)
– Is looking forward to voting for a niche third party
– and who thinks dancing can be “sexy”
Can that person think the camera work was gratuitously lascivious and unnecessary given the milieu?
Asking for an hypothetical friend.Report
Yes.Report
Given the milieu was the halftime of a sport where grown men were attempting to give each other concussions, to win said sports game, I fail to see why somebody shaking their ass is worse than the violence everybody was watching for hours – but this is America, where an 8 year old seeing a boob is the end of the world, but where marketing them violence on the daily is A-OK.Report
– Is looking forward to voting for a niche third partyReportIn for a penny.
In for a pound.Report
In for a penny, in for a pounding.Report
I figure that anyone who wanted to watch football watched the game, and anyone who wanted to watch a strip show watched the halftime. You knew what you were getting. (Me, I watched a little of the game and none of the halftime.) But I bet more people saw more sexualization than they expected than saw more violence than they expected.
Also, the players wore more protective gear than the singers.Report
“The dream of True Equality will only be realized when professional football players wear crop tops and assless pants!”
And honestly, J Lo on the pole had both my wife and I saying out loud “How did she do that?” followed by “she’s 50 years old!” It was the best superbowl haftime show I’ve seen.Report
“The dream of True Equality will only be realized when athletes and scantily-clad pop princesses have to retire in their 30’s!”Report
you’d think that of all the shows you’d expect to be all-ages, the Super Bowl halftime show would be one, and yet here we are having to content-screen it, and bitter, bitter little men like Jesse are telling us that we’re Not Allowed To Have An Opinion because suddenly they care about football.Report
[Hm3] Interesting all the superbowl half time show outrage seems to be about the butt shakery, and none about the Latinx kids i cages.Report
Why would anyone complain about that?Report
American conservatism, in a nutshell.Report
That we’re used to being preached at by celebrities? Sure.Report
Because “Latinx” erases actual Latinos and Latina people by imposing linguistic imperialism into language that contains its own syntax and is obviously intended to be spoken by people using the English language’s ‘x’ rather than the Spanish one.
Or, as one of the Latino POCs I know put it: “The guy who came up with that was a pendejx.”Report
“Shut up and dance for us” type objections, I guess? I dunno, I thought it interesting. Maybe the people who didn’t like it thought it wiser to pretend they hadn’t noticed it?Report
Like I said, I didn’t watch it. I expected bad music and near-nudity, but I’m not stunned that there was a political message tossed in as well. I usually don’t make a “shut up and ___” comment, because I don’t listen to celebrities’ opinions. Anyway, I didn’t want to see them dance, and I’d rather that they “shut up” musically as well as politically, and there’s a button on my remote that took care of that.
The halftime show didn’t create the conditions that led to the US policy, and it didn’t create the US policy, nor did it enlighten anyone on US policy, so there’s nothing about the halftime show that affects the discussion of US policy. It was sleazy, though, so people have complained about that.Report
The old double standard at play. People are upset at the women for wearing nude colored body suits with flashy bits over the flashy bits, and then dancing in a manner that is not a square dance, but no one bats an eye at the half naked male backup dancers.Report
No one batted an eye at them as they were agog at the Tin Man showing up.Report
The only political twitter account worth following weighs in:
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The very rough reporting I have seen so far states that Biden is underperforming in areas where he should be doing well so far and that Warren and Sanders are doing quite well. No idea on Buttigieg.Report
The Real Clear Politics main page is tracking it, but I’m not sure how it’s sourced and how frequently it updates.Report
Fundamentally, I think there are two types of candidates, and two types of voters who vote for them: establishment and populist. If one establishment candidate outperforms (Buttigieg), then another (Biden) has to underperform. Buttigieg isn’t taking votes away from the populist candidates, and Sanders and Warren aren’t getting any votes from people who’ve already grown the hell up.Report
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CNN explains it all:
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Damn DNC trying to screw Bernie.Report
You don’t know that. Nobody knows that, and nobody will know what happened until the Iowa Democratic party lets Biden’s legal team approve the caucus results, as he’s asserted and as is proper when these kind of things happen. The results might be garbage or they might show a Biden victory. We probably won’t know until sometime tomorrow once all the right people have been paid off or threatened.Report
This is a fucking shitshow.Report
I think Jeb! might’ve won it. Obviously these people shouldn’t be trusted with, well, anything that’s remotely important.
I wonder if I can convince them to water the corn fields with Brawndo? It’s got electrolytes.Report
Why don’t these people understand that defeating Trump is more important than petty little squabbles?
Why don’t they understand that this is important enough to do right?
WHY DON’T THEY JUST DECLARE IT FOR YANGReport