Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won’t Support Clinton – Bloomberg Politics
In the two weeks since Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democratic presidential primary, runner-up Bernie Sanders has promised to work hard to defeat Donald Trump — but he’s given no sign he’ll soon embrace Clinton, his party’s presumptive nominee. Neither have many of Sanders’s supporters. A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”
Conversations with two dozen Sanders supporters revealed a lingering distrust of Clinton as too establishment-friendly, hawkish or untrustworthy. As some Sanders fans see it, the primary was not a simple preference for purity over pragmatism, but a moral choice between an honest figure and someone whom they consider fundamentally corrupted by the ways of Washington. Sanders has fed these perceptions throughout his campaign, which is one reason he’s having a hard time coming around to an endorsement.
From: Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won’t Support Clinton – Bloomberg Politics
Meh. Clinton will get a much higher number of Sander’s supporters. After months of exposure to Trumpy that will peel away some of his support among former Sanders peeps. Also Sanders will, at least to some degree, jump on the D bandwagon so that will peel off some more. And more will come over to Clinton after the bitterness of the primary season because they want they are D’s or D leaners so that is where they will vote.
I’m sure some will never vote for Clinton for the variety of reasons listed above and they are also dim enough to think a highly connected businessman/billionaire isn’t establishment.Report
He’s not, at least compared to Clinton. I mean, really, when Clinton has the entire establishment in her corner, who the fuck is running Trump?
SRSLY, folks.Report
We’ll see what things look like after the convention. I am deeply skeptical that 50% of the Bernistas will sit the election out or vote for Trump. Also I am skeptical that enough of the holdouts are located in the states where their opposition will matter a lot. She can lose a lot of Berniacs in California and Washington without those states every being in danger of swinging.Report
A reminder:
https://medium.com/@SaraJBenincasa/im-voting-for-the-democrat-in-november-because-i-m-not-a-human-tire-fire-4a3f48dff372#.i2fodqpgbReport
Of what is that supposed to remind me?Report
HRC might not need Sanders supporters and die-hards:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/trumps-poll-numbers-sink-into-death-spiral-on-the-one-year-anniversary-of-his-campaigns-start/Report
Just saw today: Clinton leading Trump by more than the margin of error in Arizona, and Trump is only 7 points ahead of Clinton in Texas of all places. Texas poll shows GOP support for its presumptive nominee in this most red of all red states is down 7.5% from Texans’ party preference. (I note a lot of “undecideds,” though: it still seems a pretty big reach to predict a Clinton win in Arizona or Texas becoming competitive.)Report
Echoes of 1964.Report
Utah is also looking shaky. Them Mormons are not fans of Trump.Report
Texas is not really the reddest of red states, any more. It’s expected to flip to majority Democratic registration by 2020.
For the real red states, look at the deep south.Report
Texas remains pretty darn red. Romney did better there than in Mississippi and not far behind Alabama and Tennessee, and Wendy Davis couldn’t crack 40% in ’14. That small margin indicates… something.Report
IIRC, the top ten or twelve reddest by voter registration percentages include Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma. That is, dominated by the rural Great Plains states plus the Big Three for Mormon percentage.Report
Sanders voters threaten to cross the aisle at a lower rate than Clinton voters did in 2008 (remember PUMAs?), and that threat never materialized. Polling just before an endorsement is a fools errand, but not presenting it in historical context is journalistic malpractice. But thank the Lord these guys interviewed a dozen random supporters to get the real scoop!Report
i can’t possibly imagine why Sanders supporters would not want to vote Clinton
https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/740561160227917824Report
I know, it’s kinda like voting from a special place in hell wasn’t enough of an insult.Report
Generally speaking, when the R wins 38% or better of the Hispanic vote, they tend to do well; and when the R wins less than 20% of the Hispanic vote, they tank.
This is as close as I’ve got for numbers where the R is actively hostile to Hispanics (and, presumably, reciprocated).Report
First of all, the same poll that shows this also shows Hillary up by 12 points, and second of all, there were multiple polls showing that 50% of Clinton supporters wouldn’t vote for Obama.
Now, the truth is, 50% of current Sanders supporters, as in the dead enders might not support Clinton, but that’s why they’re dead enders. Traffic at places like /sanders4president has crashed 75% has the people who preferred Sanders over Clinton have left and the only people left are the lefties who will never vote for a Democrat and former Ron Paul supporters jumping from hot new anti-establishment candidate to hot new anti-establishment candidate.Report
They’re also all moving to Canada.Report
Not yet. Palin was travel time, Clinton, well, is someone you can work for. and against. at the same time.
Clinton may be mentally certifiable, but… she’s not about to stage a coup d’ etat — of America at least.Report
What did you expect about a stolen election?
(note: I hear this from a guy who does numbers, and the last time he went off on someone stealing an election was when one of Walker’s people magicked some votes out of a “forgotten box” in her car. Time before that, he actually sent people to jail).Report
Sanders may not have left the race yet but, in an interview on MSNBC this morning, he said that he would do everything he possibly could to defeat Trump, whom he described as a pathological liar (and that was probably the nicest thing he said about Trump). So, I’d bet a lot of Sanders voters will hold their nose and vote for Hillary.Report
He also said that he would “probably” vote for Hillary…Report
It’s all about the convention. I expect Bernie will probably throw in as much as he’s going to once the convention arrives.Report
I assume that you’re right: he still has something to gain from being a reluctant bride. But given the stakes, I hope his support for Hillary after the convention is full-throated.Report
You and I both. Every incentive is aligned to encourage him to so we shall see.Report