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Comments by LeeEsq in reply to Jaybird*

On “Open Mic for the week of 2/17/2025

In today's why Jews don't consider the we are merely anti-Zionist rhetoric convincing, Pro-Palestinian protestors descended on a Jewish neighborhood in NYC and said things like "settlers go back home" and "we don't want any Zionists here."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/clashes-break-out-at-anti-israel-protest-in-brooklyn-jewish-neighborhood/

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Not to discredit HR types but to ensure that employees hate liberalism enough to vote for the anti-union party.

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Stopping Trump from destroying everything built up over decades or centuries, making the United States into a baddie and international laughing stock that nobody trists, and turning America into a kleptocracy but without the colorful dictator clothing should be a good enough as mission or vision.

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Totally not a cult:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1710e830726641b6d7d4c2fd0f87b6b42a2b8f8cd78f14921970320416eaace.png

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Trump is trying to end the independence of the United States Post Office for looting and election interference purposes.

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There is a cynical argument that a lot of corporate HR types got all in on DEI because it was a way to piss people off about liberalism. My brother noted in the past that DEI is the closest thing that the Left has to grift or is grift. I do believe he is correct that going on against it is missing the forest for the trees at the moment.

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Like you stated in the other blog, going against Trump is going to require a lot of people who voted for Trump to be allowed into the resistance gracefully because we need the numbers. The problem is that there are certain things that are imputed to the Democratic Party by nutpicking that a lot of these people don't like. DEI is one of those things. I get that hatred of DEI is overblown, although I'm less of a fan of it than you are and think that a lot left anti-Semitism and anti-Asian prejudice is present in the movement, but they aren't exactly being helpful by keep doing the ridiculous things that drives everybody up the wall as their part in the resistance.

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IDF has apparently stated that the body released as Shiri Bibas is not Shiri Bibas' body:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/21/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-idf-hostages-hamas

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Complete with self-congratulatory conferences. The difference is that he thinks there are practical steps that can be taken to distance from the DEI apparatchiks. I am not really certain this is possible. They really don't seem to understand when you explain why they aren't helping and look at you like you have two heads.

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There really isn't any sort of DEI faction to purge from the party in any sort of official manner. The real danger is that there are large numbers of activists of different sorts and different levels of affiliation with the Democratic Party, some passionate Democratic voter and some not, whose antics can be imputed to the institutional Democratic Party by the Republicans. Telling these activists to cool it and engage in some self-censorship. They think that being ridiculous is part of the point of activism.

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The dumb decisions of Palestinian leadership managed to basically kill any Israel appetite for working with the Palestinians but basically yes, people expect Israel to accept a certain amount of terrorism and Jews to accept a certain amount of anti-Semitism. They don't say this part out loud because it sounds bad and unconvincing.

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Hamas returned the bodies of the three deceased members of the Bibas family. The murder of the Bibas family, although Hamas claims they died in an Israeli air strike but Hamas lies a lot, has generally angered or served as a symbol of anger of Jews world wide. Many Jews, and these include people I know in real life, who never posted on politics or Israel have posted in outrage at the fate of the Bibas family.

When I have pointed this out to people, the response has generally been that Jews are bad for caring more about some lives than others. I find this response perplexing. Nobody thinks it is bad or unusual for Muslims to care more about the lives of their fellow Palestinian Muslims than Israeli Jews killed by Hamas even if they live in distant Indonesia but Jews are supposed to universally care rather than be concerned more about our fellow Jews. There aren't that many of us and 45% of all Jews live in Israel but the people who defend Pan-whatever solidarity in other groups as part of revolutionary praxis think that Pan-Jewish solidarity is dual loyalty and international conspiracy. They just don't get this when you point it out.

On “Open Mic for the week of 2/10/2025

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In January 2024, Nancy Pelosi suggested that the Pro-Palestinian protestors were receiving Russian and Chinese money and wanted the FBI to investigate. This was ignored at the time. Considering that the protestors have been really silent since Trump took over, especially in the light of Trump's Gaza announcement, Pelosi might have been on to something:

https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protests-foreign-influence-russia-china/

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Jill Stein's campaign manger attempts to argue that Harris would have been worse than Trump:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3d2d63332c3c62a66ec49797b18aa7ab325c7a7af16a35758f5232c68668863.jpg

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For the Islamists, that is definitely the case. Even for the more secular ones, I think they are still shell shocked because they lost to the Jews repeatedly. "Lose to the Jews, who loses to the Jews?"

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Trump's idiocy about Gaza is going to do nobody any good. Not the Palestinians, not Israelis, not Americans, and not Jews world wide. It will just put millions of people in great danger.

At the same time I don't understand the strategy of the Palestinians or their allies anymore. Even before Israel existed, the Palestinians pursued a strategy of "if we are violent enough, all the cowardly Jews will go away or if we cry enough some group will take all the Jews away." This didn't work in 1929 when there were only 150,000 Jews in Eretz Israel and it didn't work on 10/7/23 when there were over 7 million Jews in Eretz Israel and it was an affluent country with the best army and intelligence services in the region and a lot of social cohesion.

Yet, despite following the same losing strategy for nearly a century, the Palestinians and their allies adhere hard to it. Every defeat just causes them to double down and increase waving their flags with stores in SF boasting about selling "authentic Palestinian olive oil." There seems to be a real psychological need among the Palestinians and their allies that Israel be defeated with keyboard warriors boasting that the Jews will be allowed to remain if contrite enough. The entire thing is so delusional and ludicrous, I don't know how to respond to it. They definitely don't want to admit that Israel is here to stay or that Jews have a right to self-determination even as Israel and Saudi Arabia normalize relations.

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To the surprise of no one with half a brain cell, Hamas decides to stop the hostage release despite Israel releasing hundreds of Palestinians for small numbers of Israeli Jews released by Hamas. Hamas has also tortured and starved their hostages while Palestinians are being released to Israel in full health. Fish Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/middleeast/hamas-says-postponing-next-hostage-release-intl/index.html

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Around 40% of Americans think this is the bee's knees.

On “Open Mic for the week of 2/3/2025

I will admit that Israel/Palestine was a lot smaller in area than the other countries that got partitioned after WWII. This made everything more intense for both sides. I also agree that even if there wasn't a formal partition vote in the United Nations, something like a partition would have happened because the Jews and Arabs would have both declared independence unilaterally. It would have just been messier.

The anti-Israel side argues that the Jews weren't indigenous to the area because they came from elsewhere. This ignores the fact that the Jews were fleeing for their lives and this was one of the few places they could go to. The arguments made by the Arabs of Palestine were not different than arguments made by other people trying to kick out fleeing Jews or other refugees, "we didn't create this problem, it isn't our fault, and the Jews will alter the fundamental culture of our country."

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Israel and Jews both, yes.

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I also suspect a lot of going after Israel as a bad ethnostate but ignoring the other explicit ethnostates is not necessarily because other ethnostates might be seen as more legitimate but people think they can do something about Israel because of the numbers involved but going after say Japan, South Korea, the Arab states, or all the self-declared Muslim states is effectively impossible also because of the numbers involved.

Saying this out loud though sounds really bad and unconvincing, so people find a way to Israel and Jews are different because reasons rather than numbers and practicality.

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Yeah, I did. How does this contradict my observation to Dark Matter? The white supremacists don't think we are white and the further left in it's various forms thinks we are wypipo. I think Jews are stuck between two or three idiot armies.

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4) White supremacists certainly don't think Jews are white even if a Jew has blonde hair and blue eyes and very fair skin.

It's a bit of what you write and also a belief that Jews might be screwed at times but will generally turn out fine after some temporary disruptions.

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Also, what should have the Jews done? Stayed in Europe and get killed in the Holocaust? Should the Mizrahi Jews just have accepted their secondary subsidiary status as non-Muslims in a Muslim state that is part of a bigger collection of Muslim countries?

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Yeah, the only time Israel/Palestine might have been what you call a country from the Romans until 1918 or 1948 is under the Crusades. I just really don't get the ahistorical logic at work here.

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