Known Knowns, Uknown Unknowns, and Hunter Biden Plea Deal

Andrew Donaldson

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  1. Jaybird says:

    Popehat is good on this stuff. The takes that I saw hammered on the whole “the two sides didn’t agree on what the deal entailed” thing and if that’s even in the ballpark of accurate, somebody screwed up.

    I saw one conspiracy theorist throw out the idea that both sides were playing “hide the ball” and hoping to pull a fast one so both sides could go back and declare victory and we could finally MoveOn.Com.

    But never attribute to malice what could be attributed to screwing up.Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

      Heh, say what you will about Alexander Acosta… but his plea deal would’ve stuck.

      Popehat is a lot less interesting as a partisan than he used to be… I mean, he’s giving the “this is not a virus that was specifically bio-engineered as a Chinese Military weapon of terror and intentionally released by the Chinese Government” reading to publicly uttered statements that he himself quotes.

      “From press reports, it appears that U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika asked questions about the scope of the deal. Specifically, she asked whether the government was agreeing not to prosecute Hunter Biden further just on these tax issues, or on any other issues it was investigating, including the Foreign Agent Registration Act. The government responded that the deal only precluded the government from prosecuting any other tax crimes related to these facts; Hunter Biden’s lawyers said that was wrong and if that was the case there was no deal.”

      If only we could actually read the filing we *might* be able to connect a dot or two… as it is, completely opaque. Instead, all we’ve got is a judge clarifying the unclarifiable and the defendant’s attorney stating that the clarification clearly violates the intent of the agreement… and when asked to clarify in private, everyone agrees that unless the bargain includes ‘unknowable’ other future immunities to investigations we can only imagine, the deal is off.Report

      • Slade the Leveller in reply to Marchmaine says:

        I’m not sure I understand your objection. From the actions of all parties in the courtroom it’s pretty easy to infer what the deal was, or at least what each side thought it was.Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to Slade the Leveller says:

          Agreed… everyone can infer what happened. Except Ken. he wants to make darn sure that it’s not this:

          “What this does not seem to suggest, at least based on the information we have, is that the judge has accepted GOP arguments that Hunter Biden is getting a sweetheart deal, or that she’s part of a GOP conspiracy, or that she’s ultimately going to tank the deal.”

          And basically, I’m saying that Popehat’s WAR is very close to 0 these days.Report

          • InMD in reply to Marchmaine says:

            I agree partisan Ken/Popehat is a lot less interesting than it used to be, as are all of the liberaltarians whose minds were broken by the Trump presidency.

            However, I can confirm his description of what a plea looks like in federal court is accurate. In my baby lawyer days I second chaired one of these with a client that plead to a number of drug trafficking charges. The interesting thing is in that case we did a very thorough in person review with the client, the AUSA prosecuting the case, and the investigating FBI agents about a week before the plea to ensure everyone was in fact on the same page, and in part to prevent something like this from happening.Report

        • The fact that both sides didn’t think that it was the same deal seems to indicate that this was handled properly.Report

  2. Philip H says:

    Politico has documents:

    Under the proposed plea agreement and diversion agreement, Biden would plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges and would be able to avoid punishment on a felony gun charge if he stayed out of trouble for two years. But at a tense court hearing, U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika questioned the constitutionality of the diversion agreement and refused to sign off on the deal, at least for now. Lawyers are due back in court in several weeks to revisit the issue.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/26/proposed-hunter-biden-plea-agreement-00108426Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to Philip H says:

      Thanks for the link.

      So it seems to my non-Lawyer eyes that the facts are as surmised: a broad reading on Immunity by Biden on everything in Both Exhibit 1 (Attachment A) in the Plea and Diversion vs. the DA stating the scope was narrow. Agreement not to Prosecute is on Page 6 in the Diversion Agreement, the Plea Agreement is silent.

      The Judge also questions the ‘constitutionality’ of the Diversion Agreement? Is this because the immunity is conflated for both docs or something else?

      What’s also strange is that the Plea agreement explicitly states that they can raise New Tax charges for the period 2014-2019 — which encompasses the 2017/18 plea? Obvs. there’s some technical lawyering going on here above my head.Report

      • Marchmaine in reply to Marchmaine says:

        I should add for clarity that the Tax issue clearly stems from activities relating to Foreign activities (China and Ukraine in particular) which made up the vast bulk of his $2M+ incomes in 2017/18 … this isn’t failure to pay on his $400k lawyer salary for Dewey, Cheatam & Howe.

        If what other lawyers are saying about ‘Statements of Fact’ and Immunity… then a broad reading would be extremely important; assuming it would end further inquiry/prosecution into FARA for China/Ukraine.Report