Elizabeth Warren, USB, and Solving Yesterday’s Problem Today
Elizabeth Warren wants to force electronics companies to converge on a standard:
This is somewhere between dumb and absurd. There was a time when it was really annoying that you had to keep buying different chargers for every different device but that was decades ago. As of right now, I basically have too buy two cables. I do need to buy different kinds of charging bases, but trying to regulate that goes beyond about eight more bunny hops down the trail of absurdity (so much so that I doubt even Warren would do it, lover that she is of regulating things). In recent times there have been basically three standards (USB-C, Micro-USB, and Lightning) for small electronics (I’ll get to bigger ones later) and that’s… fine. Micro-USB cables are weaker but simpler and completely appropriate for simple devices like cheap bluetooth earpieces. It’s really not clear why makers of $4 should equip them with technology far above and beyond necessity. Apple having its own proprietary “Lightning Charger” standard is a bit old school and I might consider that annoying if I were an Apple user but while Apple users may be cool with switching over there is a lot of ambivalence about the impending move to USB-C1. Now, I focus on cables above because there are a lot of different kinds of charging blocks using those cables and I do tend to get new ones with new devices. But I assume that she means cables because standardizing the charging blocks themselves (the thing where you plug in the USB cable) would be insane. Either you have high-powered charging blocks that are potentially a fire hazard if using them in devices that aren’t built for them (I’ll get to this later as well) or you are resigning everything to low-powered chargers that will take devices a very long time to charge. The reason I get new chargers with new devices is that they do a better job (the old ones work, just slower than is necessary). Since Europe isn’t doing this, I assume Warren isn’t either. New legislation might require charging blocks to use USB-C to USB-C cables instead of now where some of them use USB-A to USB-C (which does mean having to own more cables), but as far as I can tell the legislation is directed at devices themselves and the one area where it could reduce cable needs it doesn’t. (I am ambivalent about whether this would be a good idea.)Consumers shouldn’t have to keep buying new chargers all the time for different devices. We can clear things up with uniform standards—for less expense, less hassle, and less waste.https://t.co/rbxLleahIj
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) July 7, 2022
In addition to USB-C and Micro-USB chargers in this house, we also have computer chargers. All of our computers are Thinkpad so all of the chargers are either their old or new proprietary standards. The fact that there are two was the product of a technology upgrade of the sort you don’t want regulation to prevent. But all of this is moot because, even though Warren’t proposal doesn’t appear to apply to laptops, the latest ThinkPads all use USB-C anyway. But here’s the thing: Whether the product of regulation or markets I do not like the decision.
Common cables do not properly account for the fact that the charging blocks, power adapters, or other devices sending power or data to them are highly variable with significantly different needs. A laptop needs a lot more power than a smartphone. So if you plug your laptop into a charging block meant for your phone, it’s not going to draw enough power. If you plug your phone into a power adapter meant for your laptop, it could cause some significant damage (and is, as I mention above, a potential fire hazard2). Universalizing the type of power cables makes the likelihood of using the wrong cable attached to the wrong power source significantly higher — and that’s assuming you know the difference and that it’s important. Because of the different ports, I know the ThinkPad power cable goes into the ThinkPad and the USB-C one goes into the phone. Once I get a USB-C ThinkPad, I’m going to have to use different colors (thus requiring me to have different sets of cables) or use colored electrical tape to mark them. This is not, in my view, an improvement. To the right is a chart that delineates the different types of cables and charging bases.
The chart doesn’t even begin to really scratch the surface, though, when chargers have or don’t have QC2, QC3, or PD capabilities appended on their description, and even within those classifications can send varying degrees of wattage. If the cable can handle it, which you need the chart to see.
Take a step back, and think about gas stations. Now, it used to be there was one kind of gas you could get at a gas station. You had various octane levels, but they all did the job. Then you started having consumer cars use diesel. Now there are other types of gasoline, too. One of the smart things they did, though, was when diesel became a consumer option, they made the nozzles larger so that some dope who isn’t paying attention doesn’t try to put diesel gas into a regular gas tank. I am that dope. That intervention has saved me multiple times from causing avoidable damage to my car. I’m fine having to keep some extra cables and chargers in stock to keep different chargers apart from one another.
Lastly, there is the question of innovation. In response to Warren, Franklin Harris tweeted:
This is one of those ideas that sounds great for the 2 seconds it takes to realize if it'd been enacted 20 years ago, this would be your device charger by law. pic.twitter.com/o46JEWduoc
— Franklin Harris (@FranklinH3000) July 7, 2022
It got a lot of mocking replies from people who are sarcastically saying “Yeah and it’s a fact that regulation standards never change” and point out that Europe previously mandated Micro-USB. However, while I don’t actually think it stops any and all progress it deeply limits the avenues of progress. How much is a tech company with an idea for a better charging system going to invest if they are effectively banned until you can convince regulators to mandate it? Future innovations are almost certain to come from the USB consortium and we basically have to hope they do a good job. Even if it’s outlived its usefulness, the Lightning standard was revolutionary when it happened, and the goal of this regulation is to prevent the next Lightning charger from going to market. It is incredibly hard to see how that does not have an impact on innovation.
Lastly, by mandating a standard, product makers are prevented from having their own forms of quality control over the cables their consumers use. This could be fixed if USB had a better certification program but they’ve had a long time to implement one and haven’t. Enforcement would be a challenge as you’d still have knockoffs. But knockoffs are possible with proprietary standards, too. But at least with proprietary standards the company has some form of recourse.
At the moment, I am dealing with an issue with Android Auto in my car not playing nice with one of my phones. “Incompatible USB”, it says. I go to the website of Pioneer (maker of the stereo head-unit) and it says the following:
Pioneer has identified a connectivity issue between newer phones using USB Type-C (Nexus, Pixel, etc.) and Android Auto compatible Pioneer NEX in-dash receivers when used with a non-certified or non-compliant USB Type-C cable or USB Type-C extension cable.
If you are experiencing this connectivity issue, we recommend directly connecting the Pioneer NEX in-dash receiver to the phone using only the Pioneer supplied USB Type-A extension cable and a certified USB Type-A to USB Type-C cable, preferably under 3 ft. in length. Direct connection using a certified USB Type-A to USB Type-C cable, preferably under 3 ft. in length is also acceptable (omitting the Pioneer supplied USB Type-A extension cable).
They go on to list which cables they consider compliant and certified. The whole point of universalizing this stuff is that we don’t need to go out and buy new cables. And yet.
In the background of all of this you have a market that has converged to a few standard its own volition because it’s just easier that way. Electronics companies want to be in the electronics business and not the cable business. The incentives are already somewhat aligning across computers, phones, bluetooth earpieces, dog proximity collars, and ecigarette batteries. Even in places where I think we might be better off if they didn’t.
If Senator Warren wants to hold somebody to tasks over unnecessary incompatibility issues, she should target cell phone carriers keeping technologically compatible phones off their networks. But that’s a subject for another time.
- I could say “the market already took care of this since Apple is moving to USB-C anyway, but that’s reportedly in response to European regulators so that’s not very accurate. But it does lend itself to a “Warren’s proposed regulations are redundant” arguments
- this may sound like I am being hyperbolic, but the one time I had an ecigarette battery explode on me it was attached to the wrong charger. The ecigarette batteries and smartphones at the time both used Micro-USB chargers. I am convinced that a lot of the exploding battery issues – at least where they explode when plugged in – circle back to people using inappropriate chargers. My wall still has burn marks. I did get new curtains out of the deal, though, since the previous ones had burn holes.
I’m kind of curious about who is asking for this. I’ve never been (and God willing never will be) an apple user for anything, other than back when we had iPods. I remember maybe 8 or 9 years ago periodically being annoyed at which cable connected to what, particularly in the context of car chargers. Since then though I’m pretty sure everything I have has evolved to either micro USB or regular USB and I can’t remember last time I was annoyed by any of it. Even when this was a periodic annoyance I’m not sure it ever in my mind would have risen to the level of ‘Congress needs to get off its ass and fix this!’ So is Liz Warren just an old lady who needs to get with the times or is there some shadowy Cable Makers Association of America whose members stands to benefit?Report
Doesn’t the USB standard include a mechanism to adjust power output from a charger to match the demands of the device being charged?Report
There have been at least simple-minded negotiations possible since USB 2.0. USB “Power Delivery” added more voltage and current options and requires USB-C connectors/cables. All of these are ways for the device to signal the charger that it can (and needs to) draw more power than the default.
Exploding batteries are on the device. If the battery can be safely charged at only 100 mA, then it’s up to the device’s charging circuitry to limit the current. There’s no way for the charger to “force” more current than the device will accept. If the device is dumb enough that it’s charging mode is simply “connect the voltage and ground power leads from the USB connector across the battery terminals and hope the charger can’t source more than 100 mA”, well, you get what you paid for. Arguably, such a device is not and has never been USB standards compliant, no matter what sort of connectors it uses.Report
I assume that the devices have something to govern the current, but that when you get a fire or explosion the governor didn’t properly govern.
That may be on the device-maker, but that doesn’t unsinge the curtains. That big brands and small have had this happen suggests it’s a hazard that should be factored in. Samsung famously had this on one of their flagship products.
The flipside is a more common problem, which is that the device does not draw enough power. Which is not a device failure, but also not catastrophic. But it’s annoying, and the whole point of Warren’s thing is to avoid annoyance.
All of this is not enough that I would regulate it, but it’s enough to make me think that small devices that need a little bit of power and big devices that a lot of power should perhaps have different charging systems.Report
But they don’t. I mean, they literally don’t right now. Already.
For one thing, you’re actually talking about chargers, not cables. And chargers generally have a USB-A port regardless, and for years the other end was microUSB. So…for years you could plug your rapid-charge phone into a very low-end charger, and your extremely low-wattage USB fan into the rapid-charger that can deliver up to 30 watts. Even now, you can still do it, because the vast majority of USB-C devices are still charged off USB-A chargers.
Mysteriously few fires started, mostly because the USB standard says ‘Here is the amount of power you can draw if you are dumb and do not talk to the charger (Like a USB fan), and if you do talk to them you can negotiate more’. (Not that overdrawing would start a fire.)
No. Devices catch on fire or explode because the device overcharged the batteries or let them get too hot. No device that has batteries that charge can be hooking them up to ‘However much current we can draw, oops we drew too much’, because that isn’t how electronics work.
The device drawing more current than the device can handle is literally impossible…current is not something just floating around that the device collects, it’s the draw of the device. The concept of ‘too much’ is a concept of the _supplier_, not the consumer. Drawing too much current would start a fire in the charger, not the device. (Pretending the charger didn’t just trip off, or limit charging, which is what actually happens.)
Your basic premise seems to be ‘Rapid-charging devices have switched over to USB-C, which must mean it is better for them’, and…no. High-end devices merely switched over to USB-C _first_.
USB-C has a number of advantages over microUSB, and literally no disadvantages, and no it’s not particularly more expensive in concept. It’s still less common so the parts and cables are more expensive…but that is a function of manufacturing amount, not anything inherent in the standard.
There’s no reason that all device-makers won’t switch over to it in time.
This actually would be a good argument against what Warren is trying to do…except she’s clearly aiming the bill at Apple devices.Report
But they don’t. I mean, they literally don’t right now. Already.
Some do and some don’t. Cables differ, wattage differs, and other technologies like QC3 and PD.
I think there’s at least an argument to be made that while there you are dealing with different bases and power needs, different cables can actually be pretty useful!
Let’s say you are completely right that there is absolutely zero increased fire hazard when a device overdraws on the current, and let’s further say that all of the documentation regarding potential battery-damage from using the wrong charging block is also wrong, you’re still dealing with different optimization and on the other end insufficient power draw.
The charging needs of a laptop and a phone are different. At minimum, this means that the charging blocks need to be different. Once you have different charging blocks, it’s not illogical to have different cables for the same reason that diesel and gasoline have different nozzles.
The industry and/or consumers have decided otherwise. And that’s fine and I even *mostly* agree (still less than enthused about the laptops). But I would argue that this makes it all a poor space for mandates. Especially as the power needs gap could expand further as time progresses.
In any case, we’re in a space where the Warren is demanding interchangeability as the devices themselves beg us not to cross-use chargers.
For one thing, you’re actually talking about chargers, not cables. And chargers generally have a USB-A port regardless, and for years the other end was microUSB. So…for years you could plug your rapid-charge phone into a very low-end charger, and your extremely low-wa ttage USB fan into the rapid-charger that can deliver up to 30 watts. Even now, you can still do it, because the vast majority of USB-C devices are still charged off USB-A chargers.
I’m talking about both. In the OP I had a whole paragraph about charging blocks (which Warren’s proposal wouldn’t do much to regulate, I’m guessing). “Charging systems” here incorporates both. In our house we have USB-C cables plugged mostly into higher-powered sources and Micro-USB into more limited sources. And our laptop chargers are their own thing on both sides.
Increasingly the chargers are USB-C to USB-C, which is probably good because of a lot of the things I talk about (it kind of forces me to use the appropriate chargers with the appropriate cables), though annoying for the issue that Warren brings up (having to buy new cables all over again).
USB-C has a number of advantages over microUSB, and literally no disadvantages, and no it’s not particularly more expensive in concept. It’s still less common so the parts and cables are more expensive…but that is a function of manufacturing amount, not anything inherent in the standard.
The advantages of Micro-USB are that they are less expensive, the ports are slightly more reliable*, and the system slightly narrower (which can matter for tiny devices). I expect the price difference to collapse and everything to eventually move over to USB-C (I said so in the OP with larger devices, but I do think the same is true of smaller ones… eventually. but I think it’s going to take a while (took a while for tablets, where USB-C made more sense but was an area where they could continue to cut costs).
* – Failure rate of Micro-USB cables tends to be high, but I never had a Micro-USB *port* stop working, while that’s not uncommon with USB-C. One theory is that the latter are more likely to get dust in them due to the wider mouth. I’m not sure whether it’s that or just technological compexity.
This actually would be a good argument against what Warren is trying to do…except she’s clearly aiming the bill at Apple devices.
Apple isn’t my thing, but almost everyone I talked to said the switch was likely inevitable anyway (and not because of EU regs). If they are right even there it’s not really useful.Report
Next up: legislation for how every coffee place has to have frickin’ coffee-flavored coffee so that you can just go in and say “I want a frickin’ coffee” and they frickin’ hand you one, you don’t have to ask for a frickin’ double-thick-mardi-gras-twist-lemon-triple-shot-half-caf-soy-latte-cinnamon-ramalamadingdong!Report
In Michigan at the diner we always went to, a “regular coffee” meant “black coffee, no sugar”.
In New York at the diner we always went to, a “regular coffee” meant “two creams, two sugars”.
Mom found this out the first time she got a “regular coffee, to go”.Report
Next week, she’ll want a standard wireless charging station standard for all devices, so you can charge your phone and robo-vac on the same charge pad!Report
Recall what USB stands for: universal serial bus. Unfortunately, we seem to be entering an era when all devices are going to use USB-C connectors and consistent power protocols, but are going to run some subset of USB 3.x, Thunderbolt 3 and 4 (which encompass a ton of things), HDMI, MHL, DisplayPort, etc for data. The power/charging aspects may work, but there’s going to be a lot of devices out there that use the same connector but won’t be able to exchange data.Report
Data is almost certainly my problem with Android Auto. It’s the only one I’ve noticed so far but it’s also one of comparatively few complex data transfers I think. Better error handling may resolve that with time.Report
My main active interest in this is to take the advertisement ‘There’s a $20-80 Dongle For That’ away from Apple. The Apple Cultists overpay already. It ain’t right.Report