30 thoughts on “Linky Friday: Lies, Slander, and Calumny Edition

  1. LF1 – I love how the press candidly admits they weren’t capable of pursuing the truth during the Trump years. Yes, we noticed.

    I still hate the pro forma claim of death threats, but I guess the one in this story is a little more interesting.Report

    1. Dr. Fauci had a security detail at one point. So did Dr. Redfield. They don’t normally. You be the judge.

      And the Press wasn’t prevented form pursuing anything. One agency of the government told another agency of the government not to look at something because they worried about the optics of it. Stupid – probably. Indicative of a deep state nefarious plot to hide the origins of COVID? hardly.Report

  2. LF4: Is it just me, or are politicians these days far too willing to tell the public, “That ain’t nothing, hold my beer, watch this!”?Report

    1. The new “evidentiary standard” outlined in the proposed Texas law would allow a partisan who is contesting an election result to “prove” their allegation of fraud “by a preponderance of the evidence.” In addition to this far lower standard, the legislation declares that “if the number of votes illegally cast in the election is equal to or greater than the number of votes necessary to change the outcome of an election, the court may declare the outcome of the election void without attempting to determine how individual voters voted.”

      I freely admit I don’t trust the press members who are complaining about this, but that said, is there anything in this that meets the “hold my beer” standard?Report

          1. Because you think the “Beyond a reasonable doubt” standard is too high, or because you don’t see an issue with “preponderance of evidence?”Report

            1. What I meant by that last comment was that, rather than explain what you thought was wrong about the different standard, you made an “I find it interesting” type comment. That sounds like you don’t have a strong case.

              IA also NAL, like Oscar. These may be good changes, or maybe not. Any non-lawyer who looks at them and rents his garments is doing so based on partisan priors.Report

              1. I actually have a lot of personal and professional experience interacting with the legal system . . . . so its not just my priors . . .

                The thing about lowering the bar is it becomes much easier for partisan judges on either side of the bench to sweep aside illegitimate legal reasoning and faulty evidence to order a conclusion. The prime reason McConnell spent so much time getting conservative judges on the federal bench under Obama is he believes (as do most Republican politicians and donors) that a conservative bench is the quickest way to undue the regulatory state that they see as an impediment to their greed. Just like with abortion – where having the White House, House and Senate resulted in zero changes to laws affecting abortion, Republicans know that if they ram through bills taking out the Clean Air act they will loose politically. But if the courts do it and that gets sustained to SCOTUS, no problem for them politically.

                Ditto voting. The anti-democratic voting laws currently being passed in Republican held states will be contested. And having a conservative bench significantly increases the likelihood of people (mostly of color) being disinfranchised by the judiciary.

                So, summing up – laws like this make it far easier for Republicans to trash our democracy and make us a minority ruled oligarchy.

                Do you just find that interesting?Report

              2. Your comment? No. I could have guessed your analysis, except the part about Obama putting conservatives on the courts. I have to wonder if that’s a typo or if you really think it happened.Report

      1. IANAL, but here are the standards:
        https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/legal-standards-proof.html

        IMHO, overturning an election should require more evidence than what Judge Judy might find acceptable.

        ETA: The “Hold my beer” bit is in reference to how likely this kind of crap is to blow up in their faces. If TX is OK with a lower standard to prove fraud, then other states can be as well. What a fun world we will live in if every election winds up in various courts for months at a time.Report

      1. Hilariously, Texas was doing so because it claimed “judge-ordered changes to election law” violated the Constitution.

        Texas, in which the State GOP had about two dozen active lawsuits prior to the election trying to force changes in election law because county election officials were doing things they didn’t like.Report

    1. I think this is about right.

      He demonstrated that the veil of respectability that Bush and Romney wore was unnecessary, and even a hindrance.
      All the soft coded language, the performative displays of respect for laws and norms and objective truth…all that could safely be dropped and the raw authoritarian id of white grievance be exposed and naked and the base would go wild.Report

      1. I’m nodding along to: “the performative displays of respect for laws and norms and objective truth…all that could safely be dropped”

        and then I get to: “the raw authoritarian id of white grievance be exposed and naked and the base would go wild.”

        And I just see 4 more years.Report

          1. What’s your favorite way to offend Mexicans? I mean, we can see three things from that comment: that you have a list of racial preferences, that you enjoy causing some of them grief, and you’ve studied the best ways to do it.Report

  3. LF3 – On what basis can we treat Hong Kong as a separate country? I understand the benefits of doing so, but how do we get there intellectually?Report

    1. I understand they used to treat them as a seperate country for good reasons an stopped this year also for good reasons.

      I don’t think it follows that they should revert to the old mechanisms under the circumstances, that calls for a new way to favour Hong Kongers.Report

  4. “But we should not stop there: immigration law should put American values in the forefront.”

    What does this actually mean? We favor immigrants from non-socialist countries over those from socialist countries? What if folks from China want to immigrate here to escape socialism?

    Or do we want to apply some sort of value-based litmus test to immigrant, to ensure they have sufficiently American values? How would that work in practice? Wouldn’t country of origin be irrelevant than?Report

    1. The entire history of America from 1619 onward is a neverending struggle to determine this very question: What are the values that America stands for?
      How many of the people who reside in America are actually Americans, versus something lesser?
      Whose lives matter, and whose lives don’t?Report

    2. If you go to the OP, you’ll see that his specific proposal is to make it easier for people from communist countries to immigrate, because his idea of American values includes helping the oppressed.

      Note that the Bulwark is explicitly never-Trump, so their values are not those of the GOP as a whole.Report

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