In Times Without Norms, All Laws Fall Silent

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  1. Jaybird
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    This time, I believe America may learn a painful lesson about how the norms really protected the laws. That without those norms it isn’t so much of a leap to start subverting laws in clever ways. Because at the end of the day, laws are ink on paper. They have no power over us, except for the power we give them. And they can be easy to work around for those possessing the shamelessness.

    This is a great point.

    (continues reading the essay)

    Oh, I see that we think that this started with Trump.Report

    • PD Shaw in reply to Jaybird
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      The essay mentions “Obama and the Dreamers, Biden and student loan debt forgiveness.” It could have also mentioned Carter’s unilateral withdrawal from the Taiwan defense treaty, but the biggest source of unilateral treaty breaking was FDR. FDR was popular and couldn’t be challenged. Carter wasn’t nearly as popular but he won before the Supreme Court in a fractured opinion.

      I am currently looking for a federal grant to pursue litigation that would decisively confirm that the Taiwan defense treaty is still in full force because Carter had no Constitutional authority to withdraw. This work will focus on finding the perfect plaintiff with standing. If successful, I see this project as providing an economic boon in the vicinity of whichever courthouse ends up in charge of enforcing the treaty against those that would deny it’s existence.Report

  2. InMD
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    This was a really good piece.

    My big picture take on America is that we’ve been coasting on our triumph in the Cold War without any serious long term thinking since maybe the early 90s. It’s allowed our politics to develop into a form of post truth self indulgence, as if everything is guaranteed to be as good as it was in 1999, forever, and anything else is an aberration. We’re now at the point I’d liken to swinging a sledge hammer at random pillars and walls, without ever once checking the plans, or testing the structure. Some of them may well turn out to be cosmetic only, but others might not, and we won’t find out until some or all of the building collapses.Report

    • Philip H in reply to InMD
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      The GOP was thinking the whole time. They have been locked into this path since the mid 1960’s.Report

      • Chris in reply to Philip H
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        I think there really was a battle for the soul of the GOP, and American conservatism generally, starting before the 60s, when Dixiecrats begin turning to the Republican Party, then continuing into the 60s with the fallout from the Civil Rights Act, the paleo-neocon battle, and their beginning to really cater to Evangelical/Christian conservative voters in the late 60s and 70s. I think you could probably say that’s when they started on the path that leads to Trump (Christian conservatives are a big part of MAGA), or that it started with Reagan, or the Contract With America, but I think you really start to see the old political norms erode in such a way that a Trump becomes possible under Dubya, and in particular after 9/11. We just became a different country, politically, after that, as evidenced by the unadulterated awfulness of the Bush administration pretty much from that date on.

        That, at least, is when a lot of people on the left, including progressive Dems (hell, even some centrist ones eventually), and a lot of libertarians, began warning that we were headed down a dangerous path of increased executive power and an increasingly divided polity (especially after the invasion of Iraq began to go south, but probably inevitable even without that given the 50+1 strategy). Throw in financial instability, continued outsourcing, increased inequality, etc., and you have a recipe for, well, now.Report

      • InMD in reply to Philip H
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        I’m thinking a little bigger than just the GOP. Say what you will about our flaws but we used to be a forward looking society.

        Now all major political movements in the country are backwards looking, arguing over how to carve up the slowly diminishing spoils of past successes.Report

        • Philip H in reply to InMD
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          Many of us still are. It’s why the GOPs retrograde proposals are so unpopular.Report

          • InMD in reply to Philip H
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            No, I disagree. I think the mainstream left is just as bad on this point and totally lacks a plausible vision for the future. It’s just a lot less stupid and crazy and is therefore more likely to let us stagnate into slow but certain decline and disrepair.

            The left tries to bake cookies using supplies from a slowly emptying cupboard and passes them out based on increasingly arcane rules and sophistry. This is much, much, much better than sending a bunch of maniacs running around the house with chainsaws and sledge hammers which is all the brain addled Republicans can do but it isn’t anything like plan. We lose either way, just a question of speed and spectacle.Report

  3. James K
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    One thing I’ve noticed is that Americans tend to have a very formalist view of government – most of people’s understanding of how government works is about what is written down. But it’s consequences, not words that define people’s decisions – laws and norms only affect what happens if there are consequences for breaking them. For a President, that means one of three things:
    1) The voters reject them.
    2) The legislature impeaches (and convicts) them.
    3) The courts rule their actions illegal, and the executive branch refuses to follow those orders.

    Steps 1 and 2 have already failed. Whether 3 can hold Trump back remains to be seen. But if it doesn’t, a lot of Americans are going to wake up one day soon and discover that the Constitution, and the rights it guarantees, is just a piece of paper.Report

    • InMD in reply to James K
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      Step 1 hasn’t failed. Trump was (sadly, stupidly, and unlike 2020) legitimately re-elected.

      Step 2 I think you’re correct about, as after 1/6 it is unclear to me what plausible scenario might occur that would result in impeachment.

      However none of this is without a long history of debate and these issues are discussed in federalist 51.

      Probably the most important moment in US history, and a truly seminal one in world history, was George Washington chosing not to run for president again after 2 terms.

      Of course we are in dire straights with all this, though I’m not sure the threat is unique to us as Americans. With a simple majority of MPs Westminster systems allow for the jailing, drawing, and quartering of anyone who calls the prime minister a silly fart head. We at least have our piece of paper that would seem to suggest that is not allowed.Report

      • James K in reply to InMD
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        Step 1 hasn’t failed. Trump was (sadly, stupidly, and unlike 2020) legitimately re-elected.

        It’s a failure because the voters had a chance to punish Trump for his lawbreaking in 2024 and didn’t do so. Now he doesn’t have to worry about winning any more elections so the electoral constraint on him is now gone.Report

        • LeeEsq in reply to James K
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          One big mistake that Biden administration did was not prosecute 1/6 fast and vigorously enough including prosecuting Trump. This combined with the post-COVID malaise and inflation shock led to January 6 being memory holed and Trump returning to office. Maybe a lot of normies saw no difference between January 6 and BLM protests for whatever dumb reason.Report

          • James K in reply to LeeEsq
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            Agreed. Also, the Democratic leadership should have acted like Trump was a threat, instead of just saying he was. Biden spending his last few hours pardoning people to protect against Trump’s retaliation, while having tea with him at the White House was a bad look.

            While I’m wishing for the implausible, the Democrats could have reined in the power of the Presidency in the last four years, like removing the President’s tariff powers.Report

    • Philip H in reply to James K
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      America’s people of color and native tribes might disagree with you based on lived experiences.Report

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