Trump’s Unforced Error

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Saul Degraw
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    Trump told everyone what he was going to do when he got to the WH. Project 2025 was reported on but the too cool for school types and self-appointed very serious people decided to hand wave it way. He is doing everything he said he would including the Executive Order blitzkreig.

    Will he pay a price? Maybe. A bunch of stuff appears to be blowing up in his face but this is still a constitutional crisis that should be taken seriously and literally and there is a good chance he will tell the courts to stuff it and proceed as he is doing and then what do we do?Report

    • Glyph in reply to Saul Degraw
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      there is a good chance he will tell the courts to stuff it and proceed as he is doing

      More than just “good”; more like “excellent” or “every”, and so far we ain’t done jack when he does.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Glyph
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        Who is we in this circumstance?

        Who is we? Democrats are a minority party in Congress and lack the mechanism to be anything but a giant wall of no perhaps and the party is deeply split on whether that is good right now.

        Normie Democrats I know are stating “the people voted for this” in terms of depressed dismay to FAFO detachment. Other groups and states are using the lawful methods available to them which is litigation, raising awareness through the press, etc.

        There will be protests eventually. JVL predicts these will be bloody but if you are advocating for storming the Bastille, say so.Report

        • Glyph in reply to Saul Degraw
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          By “we” I mean “America”. He’s skated on every GD thing ever. We – the American public – have failed to take meaningful action against him, time and again. Impeachments that go nowhere. Felony convictions with no penalties. On the ballot, despite insurrection and attempting to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power – SURELY a dealbreaker in a democracy, right? – and now back in the driver’s seat.

          When he just fired all those IGs, he was breaking a law that was put in place after the LAST time he fired IGs (the requirement that notice to Congress include a “substantive rationale” was added by the Securing Inspector General Independence Act of 2022) – that is, there was a law specifically amended due to his prior actions, and he just did that sh*t ANYWAY.

          Am I advocating for storming the Bastille?

          Ask me again tomorrow.Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to Glyph
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            Hey, if we have to meet out on the tennis court, hopefully there’s enough space there for everyone with a complaint to gather up and talk it through.Report

            • Chris in reply to Burt Likko
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              I’m excited to see talk like this, but we do have a big problem: a whole bunch of our Third Estate is on the side of the First Estate. Hell, Trump’s whole thing is getting the Third Estate on his side as a bona fide member of the First Estate.

              There is a route to reigniting the revolutionary potential of the Third Estate, though I’m afraid a Democratic Party led by and subservient to the First Estate won’t be much help.Report

  2. Glyph
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    *horseshoes, hand grenades, and hydrogen bombs

    gotsta get that alliteration in, if you want to use that ol’ chestnutReport

  3. Brent F
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    This seems to be built on the mistaken belief Trump cares at all about the long term health of his party and not using his current power to pay his allies back by letting them run wild while attempting to do the things that Trump thinks will put him in the history books as “Great.” Like annexations and replacing income taxes with tariffs.Report

  4. Burt Likko
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    Consider that Donald Trump was sent to the White House to do two things:
    1. Get immigration under control
    2. Lower prices

    I think 1. could be more accurately re-phrased in quite a few different ways of varying levels of cynicism. For instance, I don’t think there’s going to be a single Norwegian expat in danger of involuntary repatriation unless they commit a violent crime. But let’s take that as written.

    Today, Trump announced that he will expand the migrant detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to have a capacity of 30,000 detainees. We should note that there is already such a facility there and it is separate from the now-infamous very high security facility that has been used to hold prisoners captured in the war on terror. But this will still obviously require a LOT of money and staffing and maintenance, something that can’t be done by executive order. I predict that this will sound pretty good to a lot of Republicans, raise loud alarm bells to those old enough to remember the phrase “concentration camp,” and no one is going to stop to consider the likely multi-billion dollar cost because Republicans have proven quite willing to write checks on the public debt for stuff that they like.

    On point #2, I think the salient commodity we kept talking about during the election campaign was eggs? Here’s what’s been happening with the price of eggs. “Oh, that’s the bird flu!” Republicans will say. And yes, it sure is. And it was back when Biden was President, and y’all tried to blame the Vice President for it, so turnabout is fair play. Eggs have never been more expensive in American history than they are today, in either objective or inflation-adjusted dollars.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to Burt Likko
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      raise loud alarm bells to those old enough to remember the phrase “concentration camp,”

      Oh, don’t worry, all the Very Serious people here think this couldn’t possibly be fascism.

      Incidentally, our deportation policy was already implemented by a very fascistic agency, ICE, and honestly was pretty horrific. There’s a lot of bogus both-siding in politics, but the _amount_ of deportations really is both-sides, as is just how horrific ICE actually behaves.

      And as pointed out, Trump is not noticeably doing more than that. Deportations are not really up.

      So why would we to turn military bases into detention centers? Or, to ask an even better question, why would be detaining ‘the worst of the worst’ there, as Trump put it?

      Why are we detaining anyone we’re deporting _at all_? The only reason we detain anyone is that we need to first put them in front of a immigration judge…why does it matter how ‘bad’ they are if we’re just deporting them anyway, and are we going to be operating immigration courts down there in Cuba?

      That seems like a hell of a lot of work, flying people to Cuba, just to…have a immigration hearing and deport them. Doesn’t it? Does this even slightly make sense?

      Also, again, we normally deport people on commercial flights. Rather obviously, we cannot put people on commercial flights in Cuba. Or into Cuba, for that matter!

      None of these makes sense, and the entire purpose of this is fir Trump to _punish_ people here illegal. It isn’t going to be ‘detaining people until a hearing’, it’s just going to be detaining people, period, for years, while pretending to gearing up for a hearing that never comes. It’s the same reason he’s chaining people to seats on military planes.

      And, just like the military planes, he will triumphantly explaining to the public that _that_ is what we do to foreign lawbreakers. A boot stamping on a face, etc.

      Luckily, we all know this Can’t Be Fascism. Otherwise, it would look a _lot_ like it.Report

    • Koz in reply to Burt Likko
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      On point #2, I think the salient commodity we kept talking about during the election campaign was eggs? Here’s what’s been happening with the price of eggs. “Oh, that’s the bird flu!” Republicans will say. And yes, it sure is. And it was back when Biden was President, and y’all tried to blame the Vice President for it, so turnabout is fair play. Eggs have never been more expensive in American history than they are today, in either objective or inflation-adjusted dollars.

      Burt, you at least have the capacity to be a pretty judicious guy, so you should be able to appreciate that it looks ridiculous to be all “Nothing to see here move along,” through years of Demo Biden Administration inflation, but one week in to Prez Donald Trump II you’re like, “What about the price of eggs?” (Actually, fck that about how it looks ridiculous, it _is_ ridiculous. Come on, be a person who you would want to take seriously if you were just meeting them for the first time.)

      Obviously, if Trump was inaugurated a week ago and the price of eggs is too high, it’s Biden’s fault. Vote Republican.Report

  5. InMD
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    I predict any actual attempt at mass deportation to go somewhere between not great and totally disastrous but I think people who keep repeating ‘people won’t like it when they see it’ don’t have a clue. No one wants to see someone they care about on the wrong side of the law but too many pundits and journalists grossly over estimate the amount of sympathy the average person will have for individuals who at the end of the day broke the rules. I also don’t think prices are closely connected with (illegal) immigration in the minds of the average person, econ101 or not.

    Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but I doubt it registers and think single issue polling is hugely misleading on most issues.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to InMD
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      And Homan is starting out by deporting the absolute most unsympathetic undocumented tourists that he can find. He’s arresting Tren de Aragua members (you may remember them as being a conspiracy theory a few short months ago), people with ties to ISIS, and sex offenders.

      The general response to this is not “those people need to be sent back on passenger planes rather than military transports because military transports are too expensive!” but “wait, those guys were just out and about and not arrested?!?”

      If you can stomach Reddit, here’s a fun thread on r/Boston about the ICE raids. Don’t read the article. Read the comments. You don’t even have to sort by controversial.Report

      • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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        Yea, I mean, I’m still basically in alignment with where the Obama admin was but you really have to ask yourself how people like this are being convicted of serious crimes (presumably in American courts?) and being allowed to stay in the country. As long as that can be put on the front page of what Trump is doing I don’t see how he pays a political price for it.Report

    • North in reply to InMD
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      Can we be clear here? An actual attempt at genuine mass depuration would require something from Congress otherwise it’d get shut down in courts* before it got started. As in passed the filibuster act of Congress. You’d need serious money to try and mass deport. Trump is most likely going to just loudly deport slightly fewer people than Biden or Obama did and that’ll suffice for his mob. Plus if his tariff nonsense tanks the economy immigration will plunge like a paralyzed falcon organically.

      *This presumes that he loses in court on his current stunts as everyone presumes. If the courts actually side with him then we’re in a whole different universe.Report

      • Burt Likko in reply to North
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        Trump & Co. are big on show, and getting media compliance for presenting things as a big show. The big ICE raids in Chicago, Newark, and Miami got a lot of publicity. And bigger numbers, but I think a lot less than might have been hoped for:

        A nationwide immigration crackdown on Sunday resulted in the arrest of 956 people, the most since Donald Trump returned to power, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

        A number of federal agencies with newly expanded detention powers were involved in the raids in a number of cities including Chicago, Newark and Miami.

        Trump came to power after making mass deportations of undocumented immigrants a central campaign promise.

        His predecessor Joe Biden carried out an average of 311 immigration deportations daily, according to ICE, mostly individuals who had committed crimes.

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        The 956 reported arrests on Sunday follow 286 arrests on Saturday, 593 arrests on Friday and 538 arrests on Thursday.

        During Joe Biden’s four years in office he carried out 1.5 million deportations, according to figures by the Migration Policy Institute. Those numbers mirror the deportation numbers in Trump’s first term.

        Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6434dq7p1o

        I predict we’re going to see roughly the same level of enforcement under Trump-47 that we saw under Biden-46, and it’ll probably be about the same level of priority — people who have committed crimes, which was already the #1 way to get ICE’s attention under existing law, before this Laken Riley bill ever even got passed.

        But we’re going to see a big show being made of it. Because Trump is all about making a big show of things.Report

      • InMD in reply to North
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        Yea all fair points. IIRC Trump 1 didn’t even reach Obama numbers.

        I’m just trying to keep things clear eyed. We’ve been hearing for years now that he’s going to self immolate. He may well and if he really goes through with the kinds of tariffs he’s proposed and we get the results one would expect with prices and/or inflation that might do it.

        But it’s always worth remembering that he was just as outrageous and terrible last time and it took a once a century global pandemic to bring him down. I’m afraid wishful thinking won’t result in much more than disappointment.Report

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