27 thoughts on “A Society of Shame Attached to Everything

  1. I’ve not been on social media in 2 decades. It was filled with inane comments by my “friends” about crap I didn’t care about or pitches from them for their business.

    A lot of this above is “we have to justify our funding by doing something.” Is there truth to a lot of it. Yes. The devil is in the degree. Is it demonstrably worse for you to drink 10 beers a day versus none? Yes. 1? Maybe not, maybe yes, but by how much? Ignore it. When it’s brought up, agree, “yeah, I need to do more/less of that. Good idea.” Then do what you want. In the end, it’s your life and you’re going to die. How do you want it to end? With a history of denial and absence of fun/joy in your life so you can extend your life a few more months / years when you’re likely suffering from something else as well? Nah, I’ll pass. Moderation is all things, even moderation.Report

  2. A fun Onion headline from 1999: Eggs Good For You This Week.

    The big problem is that the studies tend to find stuff that is small and blow it out of proportion to the finding found.

    Is it healthy to drink two bottles of wine every night and go to bed blackout drunk? Of course not.
    Is it healthy to drink a glass of wine with dinner on Fridays and to have a few too many beers on New Year’s Eve and at the 4th of July BBQ?

    To be perfectly honest, I don’t know how they’d even test for that second one. The control is people who never drink. You’d test against people who drink to excess twice a year?

    The only tests you can meaningfully do are people who drink an unhealthy amount versus people who never do.Report

    1. “The big problem is that the studies tend to find stuff that is small and blow it out of proportion to the finding found.”

      I think it’s less the studies and more the people who let their endocrine system do their thinking. “Oh, big numbers are scary, big words are scary, information contrary to my established world paradigm is scary. I don’t like being scared! I’ll therefore listen to whatever this article says and do it times a billion.”Report

      1. Also a lot of people got trained early on that if they didn’t Do What The Adults Said then they’d be Punished, and they interpret government guidance as The Adults Saying, and so they figure that a) if they don’t do it then they’ll be Punished, and b) if you don’t do it then you’re committing a moral transgression and they can jerk off their frustrated rage-boners onto you.Report

  3. I wrote a similar post here years ago after the shaming my poor wife went through from the breastfeeding uh… enthusiasts.

    I do think it’s critical at a certain point to let adults be adults. I myself do drink and in my younger days definitely drank more than I should. I’ve cut back on it of course, due to age and responsibilities, plus the need to set a halfway decent example for my boys. There’s a bit of alcoholism in the family and the last thing I need is to fall into all of that mess.

    That said it may shock the Surgeon General to learn that no less than 15 feet from me right now is a cabinet full of bourbon and scotch. Down in my basement by the TV is a fridge, and that fridge has *gasp* beer in it. And yet I do not find myself drinking any of it, despite the fact that none of the containers include a warning about cancer.Report

      1. We were very lucky that one of the doctors at the pediatricians office put a stop to it. Something to the effect of ‘yea it’s good if it works out but I was formula fed and I turned out to be a doctor sooo…’ Sadly that doctor moved to a different practice so we don’t see her anymore but I will be forever grateful for finding the perfect way to put a stop to the totally unnecessary guilt and panic my wife was experiencing.Report

        1. We probably didn’t get the level Chris is alluding to, but 30 years ago breast feeding was being pushed hard. Sadly, my daughter never took to it. I agreed with my wife that bottle feeding was better than starvation.

          (Though my brother and I would joke privately about throwing out perfectly good steak.)Report

  4. Remember when gas stoves were absolutely definitely 100% the reason for childhood asthma and the only morally-supportable response was to ban all indoor gas stoves and anyone who disagreed was a big mean jerk who was so conservative that they wanted children to die?Report

  5. People shouldn’t say things I don’t want to hear. I, on the other hand, reserve the right to say what I damn please. And don’t dare tell me I’m wrong.Report

  6. I think a lot of the health advice is saying do 10 in hopes of getting most people to do a 5 to 7. There are also lots of people with a firm belief in human perfectibility. Living the most healthy life is possible and they can’t comprehend why every human doesn’t want to do this.Report

      1. I’m inclined to agree but the argument against us is that the reason the world is in such a mess is because people to strive for perfection enough but get distracted by pain relievers.Report

  7. Frikkin’ experts. Constantly looking at things and finding stuff out…and then putting all that info in places where I let my eyes rest for a moment. Hey, I learned everything I need to know in kindergarten and I never poked my eye out with a stick. So there.Report

  8. Alas, I think people enjoy scolding one another, and the instinct to scold transcends ideology. Some but not all of the scolds complained of in the OP originate from somewhere that clocks left of political center, and yup, there’s plenty of scolds left of center. There’s plenty of scolding that comes from right of political center too, and it lands on its targets exactly the same.

    I think health scolding is probably apolitical, but politics is doing its best to worm its way into health controversies.

    Mutatis mundatis with “preaching.” And at the end of the day, I’m not sure there’s anything to be done about it.Report

    1. When I was in high school band, the director was a former Army Sergeant Major. He never scolded us; he never screamed at us; he never cursed. But he could calmly and quietly make it clear that you had disappointed him, and make you feel lower than dirt about it.Report

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