Turkeys and Drumsticks 2024

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. North
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    I have no critiques to offer. Poor poor Joe, it’s entirely merited but so so sad. And so infuriating that, in our brightest timeline, the best we can hope for is that Trump and his minions blatantly keep, and take credit for, everything Bidens’ admin substantively did and ride it to further victories. How utterly galling.Report

    • InMD in reply to North
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      Yea, it seems to me that Bidenism had a very strong core of what a forward looking Democratic party should be about, that being strategic investment and modernization of our economy and civil infrastructure. Unfortunately it got weighed down in a combination of what I’ve heard called ‘everything bagel liberalism’ and a leader who age rendered incapable of making the case for it.Report

      • North in reply to InMD
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        Yeah I think we’re going to have to give it a whirl again with a leader who isn’t that elderly and so has the vigor both to actively prosecute the messaging and politicking part of the agenda and also push back on the everything bagel nonsense more. The intersectional, “every element of the coalition needs to get something out of every policy” posture just doesn’t strike me as working- especially since even when everything bagel stuff is put in some coalition constituencies are dissatisfied regardless.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    “The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.” — Antonio Gramsci

    Trump did a good job of destroying the Republicans.

    Biden was one hell of an attempt at holding the old Democrats together.

    He was too old. Maybe he could have pulled it off if it were 2012 (remember him against whatshisname in that VP debate?) but he went from “spry” to “cheapfakes” over the last handful of years and the falcon can’t hear the falconer anymore.

    2028 is going to be one hell of a primary. Maybe Trump will crash and burn and it’ll be so spectacular that there will be a permanent democratic majority for a while.

    But if Trump merely putters around and plays chicken with foreign policy and clamps down on the border and has some serious deportations that result in even more remigrations thus pumping up wages organically rather than inflationarily? And that gives us a B- Presidency?

    Then we’ve got ourselves a primary coming in 2028 for the Democratic Party.

    And it’s going to be the most important Democratic primary in our lifetimes.

    Instead of being a primary about “WHO ARE WE?” it’ll be “WHO DO WE WANT TO BE?” and *THAT* is a question that really, really, really, really needs to be hammered out quite flat.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird
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      I mean, Trump destroyed the GOPe.

      Did he wreck the DNCe?Report

      • North in reply to Jaybird
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        Not so far. Trump is nemesis to the thesis that is/was the online identarian left. That set have always been about symbols, language and gestures being what’s important with the substantive meat space questions relegated to trivial side issues. That’s Trump to a T, just inverted. He’s all incendiary language, all wild rhetoric, all everything the online identarian left values just inverted but very often (not always) he just sticks to the gabbling. Looking at, for instance, tarrifs the pattern vis a vis Mexico, so far, seems to be Trump threatens tarrifs if the Mexicans don’t “cut off immigration and fentanyl” and the Mexicans seem to be saying “sure we’ll say we’re doing that” while not doing anything substantively and Trump is like “Victory!”

        And what’s perverse is that’s the optimistic take on Trump. Like if that’s all he does domestically with what Biden will hand off to him it could actually work out pretty well for him.

        But… taxes. There’s no way those mother fishers won’t do a huge tax cut aimed at the wealthy and that’ll bring inflation roaring back unless they actually cut spending which would be a whole ton of real life meatspace stuff. And there’s nothing to stop them from slashing taxes so, well, the best case scenario seems unlikely.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to North
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          I saw the line that politicians always talk about Fraud, Waste, and Abuse and then, once in office, they learn that the US is an old folks’ home with a military.

          Maybe we could institute something like MAID? Imagine the money we could save!Report

          • North in reply to Jaybird
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            Heh, it’s an insurance company with an army, not an old folks’ home. So MAID would barely scratch the surface, especially if it was an ethically enacted MAID.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to North
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              I’m looking for somewhere in the ballpark of how ethically it’s handled in Europa and Canadia.Report

              • North in reply to Jaybird
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                Well then MAID is a complete red herring. In Europe* and Canada it’s handled by only conventional treatments being available (nothing bleeding edge) and you not necessarily being able to see specialists or doctors or get treatments right away. Rationing by reduction of options and by queueing in essence.

                *Though this is a bit of a generalization since Europe’s various states has a very broad variety of social healthcare setups.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to North
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                Here’s a great thread about non-voluntary euthanasia in the EU.

                If we could set something up where we could establish “substituted judgment” for this sort of thing, we could get rid of 90% of Social Security overnight.

                We, as a society, would be a *LOT* better off.

                In the financial sense of the term.Report

              • North in reply to Jaybird
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                So monstrous and wouldn’t work? Considering that Trump has plenty of elderly supporters I don’t think even his clown car of idiots would go for it. It’d be cheaper to just cut off social security (which would also flash fry his party like a toad in a thunderstorm).Report

              • Jaybird in reply to North
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                What do you mean “wouldn’t work”? It’s working right now!

                The upside of MAID compared to cutting off social security is that MAID leaves significantly fewer angry people.Report

              • North in reply to Jaybird
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                Wouldn’t work as in, wouldn’t work and it certainly isn’t working now because there’s no mass “nonvoluntary” MAID. For fish’s sake, in 2022 MAID deaths in Canada were 13,241. That’s out of around 7.6 million older Canadians or so. So not even a fifth of a percentage point. With those kinds of numbers you’d have better luck trying to bring back smoking.

                And, of course, if you tried to enact some kind of non-voluntary MAID regime then your populace would rise up in fury.Report

  3. DavidTC
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    The only think Elon is doing with Space-X is funding it, which is, it should be pointed out, a thing the US government should do. He has also made a bunch of incredibly stupid decisions there that have resulted in it burning even more money for no reason.

    Anyway it is going to be hilarious when Trump get tired of Elon and Elon decided to randomly try to swing Twitter against Trump. I don’t know where exactly it will go, but honestly, Elon is literally one of the only people who command as much of a cult as Trump does, and their cults are currently mixed together…it is going to be a messy-as-hell divorce.

    I can even see Elon attempting to swing left and the left just rejecting him. They already left Twitter, in a pretty massive and rapid exodus for a social media platform, especially one that isn’t the immediate result of some huge change on the platform rendering it unusable.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to DavidTC
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      There was a mini thread on the twitters that talked about the red tribe and the grey tribe and how, until recently, the grey tribe was more than happy enough to play nice with the blue tribe but the blue tribe has recently gone nutso with the whole “Omnicause” thing and that kicked out the Grey Tribe who, let’s face it, keep asking for exceptions to the Omnicause here and there and THAT IS NOT HOW THE OMNICAUSE WORKS.

      The grey tribe has now wandered over to the red tribe and said something to the effect of “We are an intellectual elite without a real tribe. You are a real tribe without an intellectual elite. We propose an alliance.”

      Now, there are a *LOT* of things in the way. Foremost is the “what do you mean we don’t have an intellectual elite? Screw off. Go down that block, turn right, go two blocks, and the ‘Screw Off’ store is there. Go in, they’re having a sale.” response that being somewhere around that presumptuous would engender.

      On top of that, the Red Tribe really, really, likes something like Omnicauses. It’s just that the Evangelicals got really, really dumb when they held the reigns and pissed off a lot of the Fiscons and the hungover-on-Sundays Hawks.

      So the Red Tribe has, very recently, been licking its wounds from having too many people wander off their version of the Omnicause’s reservation and so there are a lot of Red Tribe members who are tentatively open to an alliance. Do your part and we’ll do our part and don’t change us too much and we’ll consider not trying to make you change. For now.

      And Elon and Trump are swimming in the brackish water where the river of the grey tribe flows into the ocean of the red tribe.

      Here’s why I think it won’t work: The grey tribe is annoying AF. Worse than that, those who are of a certain age (or older) overwhelmingly grew up in the red tribe and left. Now they come wandering back like the Prodigal Son, hoping for a job in the household?!?!? And they claim to be ELITE?!? THEY NOT ONLY WANT A SEAT AT THE TABLE BUT A *GOOD* SEAT AT THE TABLE?!?

      Here’s why it might work for a few years: Some of them actually are elite. Like, for real elite. Capable of engineering marvels. Capable of managing engineers and unleashing them and creating wonders. If they can just act normal for fifteen minutes when we’re not in the thick of combat against the blue tribe, maybe we could get along. Some of them grew up red tribe, after all. Maybe we were a bit harsh, maybe. Not *WRONG*, of course, but harsh. If they could lighten up on some of their grey tribe bullcrap, maybe we could lighten up on some of the red tribe issues that have less salience in this particular moment and we can back burner those particular issues. For now. So long as the grey tribe can tamp down on the stuff that makes them so gol-danged annoying.

      (And I still think that the upcoming birthday party will offer a stark choice to the grey tribe if the blue tribe doesn’t get the omnicause crap under control: Hang out with the people fixing to have a party and be happy *OR* hang out with the omnicausers who will be screaming about how the birthday party requires stolen land acknowledgments.)Report

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