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David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Jaybird
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    The Harris campaign ran towards the center even though Republicans called her the most socialist candidate ever, but it was too little and too late.

    Part of the problem is that the Republicans kept quoting stuff she said in 2020.

    “She didn’t mean it! She’s an empty suit mouthing whatever is fashionable in order to advance!” could have been a comforting thought for many of the people who remembered that CNN ran a fact-check back in 2020 about whether Harris was the *MOST* liberal senator or merely *ONE OF THE MOST* liberal senators.

    Pivoting from, charitably, one of the most liberal senators to the center is quite a trek. You need a lot of competent messengers to make that message believable to people in the center and rightward.Report

    • KenB in reply to Jaybird
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      Even more than this, she didn’t even actually try to make the trek — she never even offered an example of something that she advocated in 2020 that she no longer believed. In terms of policy, she didn’t run to the center, or anywhere definite at all — she just tried to hover vaguely across the whole space, turn down the “Trump is a fascist!!” volume and hope that enough people would decide that was good enough.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to KenB
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        That. That exactly. Trying to claim she’s both exactly the same person as in 2020 but everything has changed is a self conflicting message.

        She also didn’t seem to have opinions with the exception of abortion. For everything else she’d be thinking about “what am I supposed to say” rather than talk about what she believed. A lot of the time “supposed to say” became “word salad” or “no answer”.

        Far as I can tell, her team trained her to not talk about policy and positions at all. So “what will you do the first day” gets an answer of “I will prioritize the middle class” rather than “these specific executive orders”.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird
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      The best argument for voting for Harris was that maybe she had no convictions whatsoever and was just telling (2020) primary voters what they wanted to hear.

      Come to think of it, that was the best argument for voting for Trump, too.

      We need better primary voters. They’re the worst.Report

  2. InMD
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    Totally anecdotal. I was talking with my wife last night, who is a much more conventional partisan Democrat than me. Unlike me she grew up working class, raised by a single mother who is a hair dresser, lived in a small kind of crummy apartment, first generation in her family to go to college, etc. I’d been avoiding any discussion of the election issue, given I had no idea how upset she was going to be, and she was livid in 2016. She is very unhappy with the outcome but to my surprise she sounded almost red-pilled. Sort of a ‘we are lucky we have been able to handle the pinch on prices and cost of living without giving a lot up, but huge numbers of people have had a really terrible time with this the last 4 years.’ Yet to read a newspaper, or turn on the TV you wouldn’t know thats the case at all.

    I got the sense that the only thing really anchoring her with team D at this moment is abortion, and the knowledge that at the end of the day the top priority of the Republican party is still going to be to kick as many people as they can off of their health insurance as a partial offset for tax cuts. That’s really bad!

    Anyway I think the OP is nice and all but the actual story is right there, at the link below, and has been all along. Doesn’t necessarily mean nothing else matters, but I think all of the culture war stuff is kind of contingent.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-tracker/Report

  3. Chris
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    The best way to do that is going to be to continue to run towards the middle as the Republican Party becomes more radical.

    Running towards the middle produced an effective landslide loss. I’m sure doing more of the same is the way to go.

    I see people above saying that she didn’t deny any of her old positions, but this time around she was pro-fracking, pro-tough on the border (you can say that as the Border Czar or whatever she wasn’t, but that wasn’t actually her job, and everyone here who pretends it was of course knows better), didn’t talk about culture war stuff much (except abortion), etc. Does running towards the center just mean being a Bush-era Republican? I mean, she had those people are on her side this time, so…Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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      I think that something close to “Law and Order! Crime is Bad!” might have been achievable in theory.

      Sure, it’s Republican-coded, but it’s something that you can get centrists on board with and, theoretically, she could point out stuff like “I’m a Prosecutor! I had to talk to the victims of crime *EVERY DAY*!!!” or something like that.

      In 2014, California lawmakers passed a law that made shoplifting a misdemeanor and not a felony.

      In 2024, Proposition 36 was on the ballot: 2024 Calif. 36 – Increase Sentences for Drug and Theft Crimes General.

      Before the election, Harris was asked about how she voted on Prop 36 and she answered: “I am not gonna talk about the vote on that because, honestly, it’s the Sunday before the election.”

      Prop 36 passed with 70% of the vote.

      Zack Stentz had a good comment:

      An underdiscussed reason for last night’s election result is how much genuinely bad governance in deep blue cities & states undermined the Democratic Party on a national level. Each time someone had to ask the Walgreen’s clerk to unlock the deodorant was a Republican campaign ad.

      Just run against crime!
      Sure, if there are bad cops, charge the bad cops with crime too! Say something like “crime is bad” when you charge the bad cops!

      But “Crime is Bad” isn’t even running to the middle! It’s running to the left from wherever the hell outside the oort cloud the progressive position is.Report

      • Glyph in reply to Jaybird
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        Good thing all the “Crime is Bad” voters have ensured that the Criminal-in-Chief will now never have to serve any sentence whatsoever for the 34 felonies for which he was duly convicted under NY law.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Glyph
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          Yeah, they’re pretty hypocritical huh?

          Imagine if the roles were reversed!Report

          • Glyph in reply to Jaybird
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            Maybe we should just let Hunter Biden off the hook too. What difference does it make anymore; we’ve clearly stopped even keeping up the pretense that no one is above the law, when we’ve allowed the guy who makes Nixon look like a model of restraint and class back in with zero consequences and all the spoils.

            Harris lost for a lot of reasons, and the under-acknowledged, perceived-unaddressed economic anxieties of the middle and lower classes is a big part of why; but clearly “crime” is not a dealbreaker for us anymore. That’s not great.

            I realize you guys are Monday-morning quarterbacking about how the game could possibly have been won, while I’m still focused on the loss itself and what it means; so please carry on and forgive my bitter tone.Report

            • InMD in reply to Glyph
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              If I were Biden I’d totally pardon Hunter at this point. What is the point of continuing with the pretenses?Report

              • Glyph in reply to InMD
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                In some ways that would be blackly-satisfying and maybe it would drive the point home for some. But probably not and in the end it’s not worth ceding moral high ground over.

                But I get it. Boy, do I.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Glyph
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              I do wonder if Hunter is going to be pardoned… I admit: That would be funny as hell.

              clearly “crime” is not a dealbreaker for us anymore

              Given stuff like Prop 36 and Chesa’s recall, Gascón’s loss, Sheng Thao’s recall, and London Breed’s loss, I think that crime remains a quite strong dealbreaker.Report

        • CJColucci in reply to Glyph
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          Remember “Kamala is a cop”? And she actually did talk about her experiences as a prosecutor talking to victims. Fat lot of good it did her. And the people who voted against her wouldn’t have paid attention or believed her anyway, because “those people” are soft on crime no matter what they say or do.
          Saying “crime is bad” isn’t a policy. Talking honestly about the hard, boring slog of actually investigating and prosecuting crimes, and establishing sensible enforcement priorities within the limits of the resources taxpayers are willing to provide is a crashing bore unless you spice it up with frothing savagery.Report

    • KenB in reply to Chris
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      Fracking was a PA-specific gambit. Re immigration, did she actually say she would do anything different than before or did she just tweak her messaging? Here’s a quote from September: “I reject the false choice that suggests we must choose either between securing our border and creating a system that is orderly, safe and humane,” Harris said. “We can and we must do both.” Doesn’t read as a denial of an old position to me, just the typical “all good stuff and no bad stuff!” rhetoric. But I certainly don’t have encyclopedic knowledge of all her statements, so feel free to post cases where she specifically said she was moving away from something she had said/done.Report

  4. Chris
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    Thinking about the different trajectories of Atrios and Yggles over 20 years, their politics weren’t all that different back in the heyday of the progressive blogosphere, but here’s Atrios’ postmortem:

    https://www.eschatonblog.com/2024/11/are-we-going-to-do-this-again.htmlReport

    • InMD in reply to Chris
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      That strikes me as a lot less willing to grapple with facts than Yglesias is, agree or disagree with him.

      He throws Israel’s war out there as if it’s illustrative. I’m de facto a lot closer to the left’s perspective on that situation. But it’s also an issue that struggles to crack the top 20 concerns of American voters. It isn’t relevant.

      It also raises questions about what she could have done to track left. Propose nationalizing the energy industry? Increase marginal taxes across the board by 20% to fund an NHS style healthcare system? Would that have gotten more voters out to vote for her? Color me skeptical.Report

  5. Hoosegow Flask
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    It’s funny how much the results are a Rorschach test. Many conservative-leaning folks are saying “obviously, the problem is too much leftist ideology turning off the normies”. Whereas more left-leaning folks are saying “obviously, the problem is cozying up the Cheneys and embracing moderate Republicans didn’t win over any ‘undecideds’ and turned off progressives.”

    To me, at least, things seem less obvious. Other than people upset the world over about the lingering increased cost of goods.Report

    • Chris in reply to Hoosegow Flask
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      Yeah, it’s hard not to think the Dems avoided saying anything is wrong, and Trump was the only alternative to the head-in-the-sand party.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Hoosegow Flask
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      Obviously the problem is too much leftist ideology turning off the normies *AND* when the Democrats say “We’re not leftists! Look! David Frum! Dick Cheney! The Lincoln Project!”, they convince nobody except for leftists.Report

      • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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        I wonder how many people actually vote based on gender-affirming care, in either direction. It can’t possibly be many.Report

        • KenB in reply to Chris
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          Per this NYT article, there was a 2.7% swing from a Trump ad on the topic:

          About a week after the September debate, Mr. Trump started spending heavily on a television ad that hammered Ms. Harris for her position on a seemingly obscure topic: the use of taxpayer funds to fund surgeries for transgender inmates. “Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access,” Ms. Harris said in a 2019 clip used in the ad.

          It was a big bet: Mr. Trump was leading on the two most salient issues in the race — the economy and immigration — yet here he was, intentionally changing the subject.

          But the ad, with its vivid tagline — “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you” — broke through in Mr. Trump’s testing to an extent that stunned some of his aides.

          So they poured still more money into the ads, running them during football games, which prompted Charlamagne Tha God, the host of the Breakfast Club, a popular show among Black listeners, to express exasperation — and his on-air complaints gave the Trump team fodder for yet another commercial. The Charlamagne ad ranked as one of the Trump team’s most effective 30-second spots, according to an analysis by Future Forward, Ms. Harris’s leading super PAC. It shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump’s favor after viewers watched it.

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          • Chris in reply to KenB
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            I find this mind-boggling.

            Why do they care about gender-affirming care? Why do they care about pronouns?Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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              The LatinX have a lot of toxic masculinity baggage as part of their culture and their Catholicism doesn’t help matters.Report

              • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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                Yeah, Latinx and preferred pronouns are kinda opposites: the former, very few people to whom the label is supposed to apply want to use it or want it to be used, whereas preferred pronouns are precisely about what the people being referred to want to be called.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Chris
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              Because if a person can live as their authentic self, then hierarchies can not be enforced.

              And despite all the rhetoric about price inflation being the major driver, the realty is the vast majority of people clearly want a hierarchy that makes cisgendered male the top and everyone else subserviant.Report

              • InMD in reply to Philip H
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                Phil, is there anything that could happen that would cause you to reconsider that hypothesis?Report

              • Philip H in reply to InMD
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                Yeah – Trump getting hoisted on his own petard by his own voters when he drives inflation back up. Seconded by abortion protection amendments passing in red states. While a few states mad a few inroads on abortion this time, the cruelty is still the point. And its easiest to be cruel to the smallest part of the population, who want to live freely in identities that violate a strict hierarchy centered on cisgendered white males.Report

              • DavidTC in reply to Philip H
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                Because if a person can live as their authentic self, then hierarchies can not be enforced.

                Yup. It’s extremely hard to enforce oppression against women if people are allowed to exit that category. (Not just ‘enforce’, it shows the entire thing as the nonsense it is.)

                Fascists always classify. It’s one of the reason Trump fell apart when running into a biracial person.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to DavidTC
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                Was the biracial person Kamala Harris?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to DavidTC
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                DavidTC: It’s extremely hard to enforce oppression against women if people are allowed to exit that category.

                The vast bulk of people have zero desire to “exit their category”.

                It seems reasonable to think trans-women shouldn’t be in female sports. Trying to claim that this is “fascist” is an effort to avoid having reasonable conversations.Report

              • DavidTC in reply to Dark Matter
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                The vast bulk of people have zero desire to “exit their category”.

                Says the white straight cis man.

                The vast majority of people have zero desire to _be_ any categories, because one of their categories is used to oppress them.

                And, to be clear: There are not categories. All ways we have invented of dividing people up are both completely arbitrary and have been redefined or even invented from thin air over the lifetime of humanity, some of them startlingly late.

                It seems reasonable to think trans-women shouldn’t be in female sports. Trying to claim that this is “fascist” is an effort to avoid having reasonable conversations.

                It is amazing how many people here are still repeating things that were Republican talking points four years ago while the Republicans moved on denying health care to all trans people and started taking away their kids.

                Wow, the very very first step of fascism, the first attack to dehumanize, sounded slightly reasonable to people who are not knowledgeable about the topic! Why are people complaining about Jewish art being taken out of museum, that has no impact on anything (Which even they admit!) and shouldn’t we honor Germans more? And I am sure that is where it stops!

                You should know better. Hell, the ads that are _currently_ being run against trans people go way past ‘trans women in sports’, we’re at the point where the anti-trans campaigners do not even have to explain why trans people are bad, there is literally an ad out there merely associating ‘they/them’ with Harris.

                Hint: When a political party has have already managed to create a negative implication against a class of people, and people who just _associate_ with those people, to the point they do not even have explain it, THEY ARE DOING A FASCISM.

                The only slight consolation was that they seem somewhat early on these ads and the American people do not actually have this association and don’t think trans issues are important, but that was only a consolation when they were not in power. Now, it’s not, because they can both actually do harm to trans people and because they can create a media feedback loop that causes more and more anger at them.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to DavidTC
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                “Cis-het White Male” is the preferred nomenclature.Report

              • DavidTC in reply to Jaybird
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                It’s ‘cishet’. One word.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to DavidTC
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                I’ll try to do better.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to DavidTC
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                DavidTC: Says the white straight cis man.

                Ad hominem fallacy. Also known as shooting the messenger.

                If you’re trying to claim that large numbers of people want to have their genitals surgically changed/removed then please post your sources.

                DavidTC: All ways we have invented of dividing people up are both completely arbitrary…

                Gender is “arbitrary”? So if I decide I’m female I’ll lose my 6′ 8″ size and wouldn’t be a monster in women’s sports? How does that work exactly?

                DavidTC: the Republicans moved on denying health care to all trans people

                What to do about trans is still something we’re working out. The claims that best medical practices are “settled” come from the same people who claim there’s no difference in athletics.

                IMHO it’s not helpful for politicians to use this as a wedge issue but we’ll work things out.

                DavidTC: Why are people complaining about Jewish art being taken out of museum,

                Trying to claim that we’re setting up death camps is an effort to avoid having reasonable conversations.

                In 2020 the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that the anti-employment discrimination laws applied to trans. Yes, that Supreme Court.Report

              • DavidTC in reply to Dark Matter
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                If you’re trying to claim that large numbers of people want to have their genitals surgically changed/removed then please post your sources.

                When I say people want to exit their categories, I am not saying people wish to do anything about the physical attributes that other use to classify them. I mean they wish that people would not classify them that way.

                There is a difference between ‘physical characteristics that are observable’, and ‘entire structures of classifying people based on those characteristics’.

                It really is astonishing how white cishet men people cannot grasp the ideas that we invented those categories, and a lot of those invented categories are used to harm people

                Let me guess. Your blood type is B, isn’t? I can tell, it’s the sort of general selfish personality they have. Probably born in the year of the ox, too.

                Gender is “arbitrary”? So if I decide I’m female I’ll lose my 6′ 8″ size and wouldn’t be a monster in women’s sports? How does that work exactly?

                Are you asserting that females cannot be 6’8′? Weird hill to die on.

                You do realize that all professional sports teams set their own rules, right, and the actual _lawmaking_ is almost entire about kids sports?

                High school sports ‘fairness’ is not only completely random based on when kids hit puberty, but a good chunk of the trans kids are on blockers and hormones of their respective genders. Or, worse for athletic ability, _only_ blockers. And, and this feels really really important: Trans kids playing sports are a microscopic group of kids, often literally one or two kids. In an entire state.

                You get told it’s about adults, and meanwhile one trans 16-year old girl who has been taking blockers and just started taking estrogen and going through female puberty is trying to play girls volleyball in high school, and the state Republicans are essentially trying to pass genitalia inspections to stop it.

                In 2020 the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that the anti-employment discrimination laws applied to trans

                In 2023, Florida banned trans healthcare for several months. To be clear, I mean for adults.

                I don’t give a damn what happened in 2020. If anything, that makes it clear how hard and fast Republicans have gone after trans people.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to DavidTC
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                they wish that people would not classify them that way.

                Amusement. So when Biden was forced to pick a black female, he should have explain to Team Blue that there is no such thing? And I’ve noticed you call me “cis male” more than once like it means something about my opinions.

                My opinions here are driven by me being an engineer. The problem we keep running into is what to do with a female penis.

                More specifically, and the issue you keep ignoring, is what to do where we’ve segregated the genders for good reason, i.e. “sports” and “preventing sexual misconduct / rape”.

                Avi Silverberg claims to identify as a woman and as such she(?) should be able to enter female power lifting events. The current rules actually allow that even though he’s clearly not serious.
                https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event-breaks-record/

                If allowed to continue, everyone who sets women’s power lifting records will have a penis.

                If you don’t have a solution for “what to do with a female penis” other than “born women should lump it”, then you’re inviting Conservatives to insist there is no such thing and the normal rules apply.

                Big picture I’m in favor letting people control their own bodies and technologic advance was always going to allow switching genders at some point.

                However maintaining that there is no difference between the genders is not dealing with reality, and asking women/children to just lump it is begging ignorant and self serving politicians to step in.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter
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                Here’s a post-mortem poll. As a poll, I don’t know that you should trust it.

                That said, it’s what we got.

                The top reasons voters gave for not supporting Harris were that inflation was too high (+24), too many immigrants crossed the border (+23), and that Harris was too focused on cultural issues rather than helping the middle class (+17).

                That third one? That third one was the number *ONE* reason amongst Swing voters that went to Trump.

                Assuming you can trust the poll, that is.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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                I saw that too, and had to send it to my wife. She is the Good Democrat in the family (I’m the bad one) and has been telling me over and over again that as … unconvincing as I find this stuff I don’t understand how damaging it is, and how it constitutes an attack on women eclipsed only by bans on abortion, but just barely.

                Big picture I think we need to be honest with ourselves that trans is a combination of self expression and maybe culture bound syndrome, not something that’s objective or with scientific basis. The (sub)culture it’s bound up with in the US is also way, way too small to win elections. It doesn’t even constitute a majority of Democrats.

                The obvious pivot is to live and let live. Grown ups can do all the body mods they want, change their names, and wear whatever. That’s the first amendment and it has to be allowed. But no boys in girls sports, no men in womens prisons, no linguistic gymnastics, and no public schools telling children they have something called a ‘gender’ that might be in conflict with their bodies. Stop with that and suddenly this all goes away.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird
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                RE: “too focused on cultural issues”

                Ouch. Arguably all three of those are “it’s the economy”. Of course that’s swing voters and not the social justice warriors.

                However nothing prevented Harris from Blue virtue signaling AND ALSO doing less word salad with how she’d deal with economic issues.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter
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                I think that the basic argument is something like “Harris didn’t even run on virtue signaling! She didn’t say ‘LatinX’! She didn’t argue that prisoners should have sex reassignment surgery!”

                And the only problem with that is that she *DID* argue that back in 2019 and, instead of saying “Man, 2019 was another country, huh? I was completely and totally wrong about that stuff”, she merely didn’t say “LatinX” and stopped mentioning reassignment surgery of prisoners.

                And it wasn’t enough to just stop talking about it.

                Apparently.

                Assuming the poll is accurate.

                We don’t know that it is. And we certainly don’t know how to skew it so that it would be assuming that it’s not.Report

              • InMD in reply to Dark Matter
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                Based on the various battles over content in public education I have come to believe that the cultural issues and the bread and butter economic issues are indeed mutually exclusive. People only have so much time and attention so you have to pick one or the other, and balances in checking accounts are real in a way a lot of esoteric social justice signaling just isn’t. It’s also become a truism that lefty cultural obsessions wreck (mostly liberal and lefty) institutions at the expense of the core mission.

                Which isn’t to say that the GOP doesn’t thrive on cultural grievance. Often I think that’s about all they have. The difference is that the crumbling of religion as a major cultural force has them mostly playing defense of the median normie. They start to lose again when stuff they’re out of step on like abortion comes to the fore.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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                Philip: …despite all the rhetoric about price inflation being the major driver,

                If the leadership is proclaiming a female penis is more important than my pocketbook, then they’re out of touch.

                I don’t care what other people do with their bodies. I don’t approve of lots of things, but if it doesn’t affect me then it is hard to care.

                Philip: a hierarchy that makes cisgendered male the top and everyone else subserviant.

                The amount of racism and oppression is so low that new forms had to give social justice warriors something to do and oppose.

                A lot of people see that as a power grab.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter
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                Your body my choice is definitely a power grab that you as a father ought to be a tad more concerned about.Report

              • Glyph in reply to Philip H
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                “And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the power. You can do anything.”Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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                I count the pro-life movement as a separate issue because even the authors of Roe claimed it was a separate issue.

                They could (and imho should) have concluded the 14th AM prevents a woman from being enslaved by her fetus. Instead they flinched away from that because they wanted to preserve the gov’s ability to meddle.

                So what we’re arguing about now is how much meddling is appropriate.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to KenB
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            Looking at the ads… wow those look brutally effective.

            They’re taking clips of Harris talking about what she stands for. Pro-trans is the least of it. She’s chanting “down with deportation” in one. She’s showcased debating herself in another. She’s calling for getting rid of the police. She and team Blue are using violent rhetoric against him and he’s linking that to his assassination attempts.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHlb0z1vZm8

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IH_J_48ecEReport

        • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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          As their most important issue? A dozen, maybe.

          As (yet) (another) item on the charcuterie board of things that inspired them to show up for Trump or stay home from Harris?

          It’s on the board.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to Hoosegow Flask
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      As a left-leaning folk who disapproves of cozing up the Cheneys, that actually isn’t the problem.

      The problem is that things have been getting worse and worse for the average American, at first slowly. Then, thanks to covid, somewhat faster. Although no where near as fast as the media is pretending. This is the end result of decades of problems, not some sudden magical thing that happened under Biden. And a chunk of the problem is the wealthy realized they could screw people over more and blame it on Covid.

      This is due almost entirely to the entire economy reorienting itself to operate solely for the benefit of the wealthy. Which, ultimately, is the fault of Republicans and Ronald Reagan, who set up a system where the wealthy are allowed to collect more and more money until they have all the money, although the wealthy didn’t really amass enough money to start hijacking politics and screwing everyone over until sometime in the 90s.

      Now, I know that was long and involved, but the point is, the American people are looking for a way out.

      Democrats do not and have not offered a way out. The last useful thing they did that made thing better for the average person was Obamacare, and the only reason they did that is that both the health insurance and health care industry wanted it. They campaigned explicitly was about how they don’t want to change anything, how Trump was a threat to the system, and how they were super-duper centrist and look, here’s a bunch of Republicans who also didn’t change anything. Vote for us, your life will continue to suck and we will do nothing about the root causes, in fact, we won’t even _talk about_ the root causes because those people are our major donors.

      The problem isn’t that Democrats are too conservative in some abstract policy reason, it is because they are literally CONSERVATIVE in that they wish to conserve a system that is more and more broken for more and more Americans, because that is what they are paid large amounts of money to do.

      Republicans meanwhile offered a way out, because fascism is _always_ a way out, and will always fix your problems, and if it doesn’t, it at least tells you the problems are now known to be a specific group of people and you can two-minute hate on them once a day for causing all your problems.Report

  6. CJColucci
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    Over at Kevin Drum’s blog is a series of graphs and commentary showing that Trump has been dealt a very fine hand as far as the economy, trade. crime, and immigration go. Just like last time. What Trump promised has already been largely delivered. My bet is that he f**ks up, just like last time, but that will depend on how much he gets of what he says he wants.
    As is so often the case, the Democrats didn’t take their own side in a fight, trumpet their actual accomplishments in getting through the world-wide economic crisis and delivering a sound economy, promise to keep up the good work, and come up with a few new wrinkles. Whether any of that would have mattered to low-information voters is another question, but the likely futility is no reason not to try.
    The post-mortems will be coming thick and fast, and at least three-quarters of them will involve either telling the Democrats to become Republicans, throwing some valuable and vulnerable constituency under the bus, telling the white working class lies, or recommending the adoption of, or more likely merely bloviating more loudly about, the coroner’s pet policies. The insiders are surely mulling this over already, though they are unlikely to share their thinking with the general public. The unique features of the 2024 election will surely not be repeated on the Democratic side. Trump, being ineligible to run for re-election, will not present a Biden problem to the Republicans when Trump’s age and imbecility catch up with him or become too obvious to the public.
    There’s no payoff to saying predictable stuff early. It’s a long off-season.Report

    • Philip H in reply to CJColucci
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      TL:DR – The Democrats keep brining charts and graphs to a bazooka fight.Report

      • CJColucci in reply to Philip H
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        Most of the time, they don’t even do that. How hard would it be to say: “The whole world went through economic hell starting with COVID. The whole world experienced inflation the like of which we haven’t seen in decades. It hurt for as long as it lasted. We felt your pain and we worked very hard to help people through it. We succeeded, better than any other country in the world, breaking inflation without setting off a recession. A lot of people said it couldn’t be done, but we did it, and our recovery was the envy of the rest of the world. Inflation is mostly dead, and has been for about a year. The economy is humming. The stock market is at record highs. Those are facts. We did all that, with almost no help from the other party. but there is more to be done — [fill in details].”Report

  7. Jaybird
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    It also might be worth looking at where Trump picked up voters and where he lost them:

    Biden picked up more Boomers and older and white college women than last time.

    Trump picked up white non-college men, white non-college women, white people overall, males overall, GenX, white college men, females overall, Millennials, Zoomers, LatinX, Asians, and Black people.Report

  8. Chris
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    Talking to an ex-OTer on Twitter, and he says it’s pretty easy to explain a loss when the current administration has an approval rating in the 30s and people are really upset about inflation and immigration (I think especially inflation). It might be that we’re all trying too hard, and that if you get rid of inflation in particular, a lot of the other stuff (like pronouns) just doesn’t land. Who knows?

    My worry, of course, is that, in reaction to this election the Democratic Party becomes even more Republican-lite than it already is. I suspect that I’m one of the few here who worries about this.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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      There are some areas where they would benefit from moderating.

      There are some areas where they should get even more extreme.

      If they pick the wrong ones in both areas, you get Harris. That’s bad.Report

    • Glyph in reply to Chris
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      Personally I see inflation as *the* big one for almost everyone. My household was pulling for Harris as hard as possible; we understand in broad strokes (some) of what was causing that inflation and what (if anything) could be done to mitigate it; we understood that as bad as it is here, it was WORSE outside the US (these things are relative, and less-bad is still more-good); and yet still even we feel the squeeze anytime at least once a week when we buy groceries or gas or have to replace a car battery or etc. etc.

      And we know many people who can’t find a house they can afford, not even an apartment that they can afford to rent. This is a real situation for many, many people who don’t have the luxury of not worrying about money, and it’s not ameliorated by saying, “but look how great the stock market is doing!” or “look at the jobs report, jobs are up!” when we know for a fact a lot of those added jobs are, like, driving for Uber as a second- or third-side-hustle to make ends meet; not a job with a solid paycheck and benefits.

      I’d wager that for most people, economic anxiety about how to pay for groceries and rent trumped (ugh) almost all other concerns. Even people that are more-easily making rent and groceries, still don’t have as much money for the kinds of things I used to. People travel less, they eat out less frequently, they go to the movie theater less frequently, they go drink and dance and watch live music less frequently. If their lives are nothing but going to work and going to sleep and going to work again, and they remember that things used to be better than that, they still ain’t gonna be happy, and you have to at least acknowledge that, at minimum; not keep trying to convince them there’s no problem at all.Report

      • Glyph in reply to Glyph
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        by the way car batteries are stupid expensive now, when did that happenReport

        • Chris in reply to Glyph
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          I haven’t had to buy a car battery since the Aughts, so I have no idea what car batteries are going for, but cars themselves, damn.Report

          • Glyph in reply to Chris
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            I’m hoping the cars I have now (2003 and 2011) are the last cars I ever had to buy but that’s probably unlikely. Barring that, it would be nice if they’re the last ICE cars I ever had to buy; but that may also be unlikely, now.

            It won’t be too much longer until my Dad can no longer drive and then I’ll get my ’69 Beetle back – as long as I confine all driving to after-sunset, I might survive.

            I do most of my personal around-town travel on my Onewheel but while that works to pick up a ‘scrip or meet a friend for a beer or get a gallon of milk, it doesn’t really cut it for a fridge-restocking grocery trip or Home Depot or kid-pickup/dropoff.Report

            • Chris in reply to Glyph
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              I went carless for 10 years (and lived mostly as though I didn’t have a car for a few years before that), and it only worked because I lived in an extremely walkable neighborhood, literally across the street from a large grocery store. I miss that lifestyle, now that we live in a less walkable area with less transit access. It also helped that I didn’t have any young children.

              Our car is about to turn 5, and I assume we’ll need to buy things for it soon. I’m dreading it, especially now hearing this about battery prices.Report

            • Slade the Leveller in reply to Glyph
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              My 2010 Ford is going strong. It helps that most of my commuting around town is by bicycle. Really, at this point my driving is of the little old lady who drives to church variety.Report

              • Chris in reply to Slade the Leveller
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                This is the way to do it.Report

              • Glyph in reply to Slade the Leveller
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                If I HAVE to buy another car, that Ford Maverick actually looks pretty good to me, at least if Honda continues to never bring back the Element. It’d be nice if other American automakers followed Ford’s lead there by making more cars that are utilitarian, reasonably-sized, and more-reasonably-priced (I think the Maverick starts at a little over $20K, while a lot of other new cars start at $60K and up, which is BONKERS to me.)Report

        • JoeSal in reply to Glyph
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          Artificially high labor rates, highly regulated in country production, neo-marxists controlling the means of production.

          trifecta of leftist activity for the last hundred years……but rest assured, THE GOOD is all that is seen in the mirror.Report

      • Chris in reply to Glyph
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        I definitely get it. I don’t remember the last time I went to the grocery store and didn’t freak out a little, inside, when I saw the total on the screen. And while I’m doing OK financially now, I’ve spent much of my adult life not doing well financially, so I definitely understand how hard this is for a lot of people.

        And while I think you’re right that groceries and rent, as well as car prices, which have gone up by about $10,000 since 2019), construction costs, etc., are probably the big issue, I really do think that the anxiety it causes makes other issues — immigration (which I think is a non-issue, but easily gets tied into other issues, including inflation and crime), crime (regardless of what’s actually happening with crime), homelessness (especially homelessness: homelessness is even more salient when you feel a bit closer to it), and even pronouns — more salient, because anxiety likes to add anxieties, and because fear makes people more conservative (and inflation makes people afraid).

        Put differently, if people can afford a decent car, eggs and milk don’t cause sticker shock, and rent for a decent place stays under a third of your income, it’s much more difficult to tell people that they should vote for the other party because of pronouns and too many people coming across the border to work jobs no one else wants to do.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Glyph
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        No one on either side is seriously trying to address housing costs. Root cause is the local govs are used to prevent the supply of housing through zoning, green reviews, regulation, and various other NIMBY. Solution is to move that authority to the State or maybe even Federal.

        Large numbers of people would be upset at that.

        Best to just not talk about the root problem.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter
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          And talking about a problem the President can’t solve does what exactly?Report

          • Chris in reply to Philip H
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            The federal government certainly has options, not just in passing laws that limit local zoning restrictions (many of which, it probably goes without saying, have deeply racist origins), but with subsidies for building density, building density along transit, and building transit.

            They actually do some of the subsidy stuff, though it sounds like that is under serious threat, at least if the Project 2025 transportation section has any influence on the next administration, but they could do more. Urbanists and housing advocates have been asking for the zoning stuff from the federal government for a while. I think there was some hint that Harris was going to talk about this in her campaign, but never really did.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Chris
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              (I see no legal or ethical way for the federal system to force local jurisdictions to change zoning laws. Hell we can’t even get them to deal with race based voting problems anymore thanks to SCOTUS.

              And transit subsides are few and far between in most places. Its why my county (and our adjacent two counties) have no functional transit system. Thought we are getting Amtrak back into New Orleans twice a day.Report

              • Chris in reply to Philip H
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                There are practical limits on zoning, such as the capabilities of the local fire department (high rises require all sorts of fire equipment), and you don’t want to build hazardous chemical plants next to dense residential areas, but I see no ethical issues with the federal government saying, for example, “You can’t restrict residential/some kinds of commerdial development in some residential areas and not others, except for these very specific reasons (which don’t include rich people’s home prices), for example. You can also put limits on the types of restrictions that can be made to land use generally, with very specific (so less exploitable) exceptions. So, for example, the state of Texas limits building height in much of the city because of what it calls “Capitol View Corridors.” This is ridiculous, and a serious impediment to building density in much of the city. That sort of nonsense the federal government can take care of with few if any ethical concerns.Report

            • Glyph in reply to Chris
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              I’ll probably catch hell for this for either practical concerns or some other thing I’m not seeing, but if I can be permitted a TINY bit of xenophobia-adjacent thinking, I think perhaps disallowing foreign nationals from owning residential US real estate strictly for vacationing or investment purposes might be a good thing.

              I don’t know how much housing stock that would free up – maybe it’d be a drop in the bucket – and maybe it’d be overly-harmful indirectly by making the US an unattractive place for foreign persons to invest money – but I think MAYBE, possibly, letting people who DON’T live here buy up properties that people who DO live here might need to live in, might be reducing housing stock and driving up housing prices?

              Housing isn’t a nice-to-have thing, it’s a must-have thing; and while there’s not much we can do about Americans playing with that resource for the benefit of their wealth portfolios, MAYBE it’s OK to say non-Americans don’t get to play around in that market anymore (if they want to actually reside in the houses, be my guest; but buying them just to use them a couple weeks or months per year, or to sit on them just to then sell them for more: maybe we should put the kibosh on that).

              But I look forward to being told why this is impractical, idiotic, ineffective, or un-American. And maybe all four!Report

              • Glyph in reply to Glyph
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                Also, I’m not sure inflation and affordable-housing-shortages are fully-discrete in their lived effects. Not only do people commonly see the two things as twinned (“I’m worried about rent and food”), but general inflation *has* to feed into new-housing costs too.

                After all, if all the materials to build a house cost more than they used to, and all the people who build the house need to get paid more than they used to so that they can afford their OWN groceries and rent, that new housing is going to cost more than it used to, regardless of zonings and NIMBYs and all that good stuff.

                A multi-pronged approach is likely required to get the crisis under control; I don’t think there’s one single silver-bullet solution.Report

              • Chris in reply to Glyph
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                This is not an unpopular position in some parts of the left. I’m skeptical of such moves, but there is a lot of real estate in some cities owned by overseas real estate speculators. Maybe just make real estate speculation itself much more difficult and expensive? I know Texas has a homestead exemption that limits your property taxes on your primary residence, though that has turned out to be easily exploitable, but I bet there are other, better ways to do it.Report

          • Glyph in reply to Philip H
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            And talking about a problem the President can’t solve does what exactly?

            Well, it got Trump elected. Not that I want pols to lie like rugs all the time, but the fact of the matter is that then, and now, Trump told people what they wanted to hear even if it was all B.S., and people voted for him because at least he was telling them what they wanted to hear, while the other side didn’t bother.

            I’m thinking of things like Trump telling left-behind coal miners in Appalachia that the clock could somehow be turned back for them, while Hillary never made any such outlandish promises.

            One candidate was right, but the other candidate won.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Glyph
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              It’s worse than that! Hillary said that her team was going to put them out of work!

              The argument should have been “the world is changing and it can’t be stopped but here’s how we’re going to help” and not “we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

              I understand that the rule in politics is “figure out what’s going to happen in six months, say you’re going to do it, wait six months, then say ‘See?'” but, in this case, she shouldn’t have said that *SHE* was the one going to do it!Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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            I would think the federal gov could pass laws to restrict local laws (that’s often it’s job). I would think that the feds could pressure locals to stop this.

            I also think just having the conversation where we point out what’s going on would be useful.Report

  9. Derek S
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    This is probably the best line President Biden has had in his four years of office.

    “You can’t love your country only when you win.”

    I have dogged Biden on most of his people’s policies, but he definitely has Trump beat in showing class in defeat.Report

  10. Dark Matter
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    Well… I voted for Harris because of Jan 6th but I have to admit that she was a terrible candidate and did a terrible job.

    Not really her fault. She should never have been at the top of the ticket and probably never should have been VP. One hopes this showcases the perils of this kind of identity pandering.

    With the benefit of “the day after”, let’s hope Trump spends the next four years showcasing that the more hysterical charges against Trump are exactly that, hysteria.Report

    • Derek S in reply to Dark Matter
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      And maybe you remove the person who mind has gone when you notice it, instead of trying to cling to power. Then they would have had an open primary and shaken Harris off.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter
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      Biden didn’t want her. He wanted Stacy Abrams.

      But Abrams stabbed him in the back and here we are.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird
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        Abrams… ran twice for governor, lost twice, and was an election denier on one of those.

        Other than that she’s been a deputy city attorney and in the Georgia House of Reps.

        She gave the State of the Union address. Has declined, twice, to run for the Senate because she “wanted to focus on ending voter suppression”.

        She actively promoted herself for consideration as Biden’s VP. Active writer and some other things.

        No Federal level offices. No examples of managing large groups of people. No winning high level offices and refusing to try is a little off putting. Some leadership in there if her credited accomplishments are accurate. Maybe a little business experience. No military. Has a law degree and has worked as an attorney.

        I haven’t heard her talk. From reading her wiki she’s probably stronger and better at this than Harris but still extremely weak if her job is to replace the President.

        How did she backstab Biden?Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter
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          It happened waaaaay back in 2019.

          Biden was floating the idea of announcing Abrams as his VP however, he did this prior to talking to her first. She came out and said on The View: “You don’t run for second place. If I’m going to enter a primary, then I’m going to enter a primary. If I don’t enter a primary, my job is to make certain the best Democrat becomes the nominee and, whoever wins the primary, that we make certain that person gets elected in 2020.”

          For a few days “Biden is acting like an entitled old white guy!” was the narrative.

          Once it was established that Biden was, yep, the guy who was going to get nominated, Abrams turned on the whole “Hey! You’ve got my phone number!” charm but, well. Biden has a long memory.

          Or had.Report

  11. Brandon Berg
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    If only Jeff Bezos had allowed the Washington Post’s editorial board to run that endorsement.Report

  12. Roger W
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    ” I stand by my claims that Mr. Trump’s policies are not a good prescription for America, but we’ll all soon find out firsthand.”

    And from half a world away, you have my sympathy.
    Kind of.

    “Democrats are going to have to shake loose their radical progressive wing that has alienated so many Americans. ”

    This on the other hand, is right wing bullshit.

    The most “extreme” Democrat “progressives” you’ve got that get any airtime are barely left of center in any other WAS derived country.

    Most of their policies have majority US citizen support.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Roger W
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      Most of their policies have majority US citizen support.

      this is indeed true, but a good many Americans don’t know this. because their media – when they still consume media – don’t tell them.Report

      • Brandon Berg in reply to Philip H
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        Why do lefties keep stressing the fact that people who know nothing about economics support your preferred economic policies? It’s like you’re proud of the fact that your ideology is consistent with profound ignorance.Report

  13. Jaybird
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    We’ve reached the point where people are complaining that there isn’t a liberal Joe Rogan.

    There used to be one, back before Covid. His name was “Joe Rogan”.

    I do think that Joe Rogan should have invited Harris to come to his studio and sit down and talk, though. They’ve got a good point that he should have done that.Report

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