Biden To Do What He Couldn’t Do

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Pinky
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    Which past presidents? The opening sentence seems to sound a BSDI tone before we even get to what Biden did, but I don’t remember this being a thing other than for Obama. That’s not praise for Trump always thinking he could do things and being told later that he couldn’t, needless to say. But I don’t remember this being a W or Clinton pattern either, and that takes us back more than 30 years.Report

    • pillsy in reply to Pinky
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      Whether they like it, dislike it, or merely pretend to dislike it, expanding Executive power is ultimately part of the President’s job.Report

      • Pinky in reply to pillsy
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        Not what I was asking, and also untrue. It’s like saying beating suspects is part of a police officer’s job.Report

        • pillsy in reply to Pinky
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          First part — sure, was intended as a related comment, not a second answer.

          Second part — I very much disagree. I think it’s a fundamental element of our system that Presidents will attempt to protect, and where possible, grow their power, and that for proper functioning, the other branches will push back against them. But the push to grow is itself not unhealthy, as sometimes executive power and discretion are the right levers to address a problem.

          It’s just that one of the branches that should be pushing back isn’t really doing so in an effective fashion, so the Executive expansion of power goes places it shouldn’t, and pushback is both less effective and less sensible than it should be.

          EDIT: With your analogy, I’d say that it’s closer to law enforcement using violence, rather than specifically beating suspects.Report

          • Pinky in reply to pillsy
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            You’d say (correct me if I’m wrong) that our system assumes each branch *will* seek to expand its power. I’d say that our system assumes each branch *is obliged to not* seek to expand its power, and *cannot be trusted not to* seek to expand its power.Report

            • pillsy in reply to Pinky
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              You’d say (correct me if I’m wrong) that our system assumes each branch *will* seek to expand its power.

              Exactly. I don’t think our system imposes any obligation for branches to not expand their power at the expense of other branches.

              There are areas where it attempts to prevent the branches from expanding their power at the expense of individuals or state government.

              Even those restrictions often require one branch or another to expand its power to prevent other branches from infringing on individual rights or state prerogatives.Report

            • Patrick in reply to Pinky
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              “I’d say that our system assumes each branch *is obliged to not* seek to expand its power, and *cannot be trusted not to* seek to expand its power.”

              If the second clause is true, the first clause is irrelevant.

              You can’t make a system where a bunch of incentives point to X and then say, “oh, but we expect X not to happen just because that would be bad”.

              At least not if you expect it to last very long.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Patrick
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                Nah, you just put in as many precautions as you can.

                The Framers didn’t want there to be a Nixon, but they knew one could happen. They were very practical. They understood that any power-hungry actor could be a threat, and tried to build something that could survive such threats, but without any illusions that the system was guaranteed to survive. It requires the actors’ support. That’s my problem with pillsy’s framing. He makes it sound like the Framers wanted the power-hungry.Report

  2. Philip H
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    We do have an illegal immigration problem, but we aren’t going to decree or deport our way out of it. The only way the border crisis is going to be resolved is when the two parties finally decide to work together to solve its underlying causes.

    You also need to deal with the not inconsequential problem that business continues to fill labor gaps with undocumented migrants. No matter how much the hardline GOP dislikes it, there aren’t enough native born Americans (many of who are first generation offspring of immigrants anyway) to fill the gap if you really do deport all the undocumented.Report

  3. North
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    It seems straight forward enough to me in political terms. The right has said Biden can legally do X, Biden said he couldn’t legally do X, the fracas has continued so now Biden is trying to do X to demonstrate it’s not permitted. If, as expected, the courts shut X down then Biden will have been proven to have been honestly describing the quandary.Report

  4. pillsy
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    Just in general, the ongoing expansion of Executive power, periodically checked by increasingly erratic action by the courts, is all downstream of our pluperfectly fished legislative branch. The wealth of veto points provided by having a bicameral legislature, with a supermajority requirement in one of the chambers, means that it can’t do much of anything that is controversial, and struggles to do even basic tasks.

    Given our separation of powers, the other branches are free to step in, and kind of have to step in to avoid the country from completely falling into rack and ruin.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to pillsy
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      This hasn’t always been true and certainly isn’t any structural defect.

      There are plenty of examples of extremely aggressive Congresses, starting with the New Deal and continuing on to the Great Society/ Civil Rights era.

      The sclerosis of our current Congress started in November 2008, right after the election and has been the desired goal of the Republican Party.

      People on this very blog have commented on that, that their preferred outcome is congressional paralysis.Report

      • pillsy in reply to Chip Daniels
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        This hasn’t always been true and certainly isn’t any structural defect.

        The defect has always been there (veto points plus separation of powers and federalism pushing us towards two institutionalized parties), but weren’t really fully exploited until relatively recently.

        Our system of government just isn’t very good as democratic systems go.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to pillsy
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          I keep hearing stuff like this, on liberal blogs as well, about how the intrinsic structure of the American system prevents assertive progressive action and it always goes to this place where it is noted that the structural defect is only now happening because someone is exploiting it.

          At which point I want to perform that angry goose meme, asking “WHO is exploiting it, motherf*cker?”

          The people exploiting the defect have a name, and a party. It isn’t “Congress” and it isn’t “politicians” it is the Republican Party.

          I don’t see any reason to shy away from that simple fact.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Chip Daniels
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            Well now Chip, Whataboutism and BSDI are WAY harder to pull off when only one side, is in fact, doing it.

            Though I’d respect our conservative interlocutors here if even one of them came forward and said “Yeah, we are gumming up the works and we are d@mn proud of doing so.” Then at least we’d be having an honest conversation.Report

            • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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              Amusement. 2008? We’ve had complaints about Congress being “do nothing” for a lot longer than I’ve been alive. I remember Reagan complaining about Congress being obstructive.

              Certainly Congress obstructed Trump and his immigration policies.

              We have a lot of choke points.

              We also have a lot of existing programs. Those existing programs need to be paid for, they sharply reduce the need for more, and they never go away no mater if they’re functional or not.

              Our need for vast new programs is less. We’re flatly unwilling to sacrifice any existing programs. Our ability to pay for new programs is also a lot less.

              So we have a lot of political theater where we pretend to be desperately fighting for important things and also that the other side is pure evil.Report

          • pillsy in reply to Chip Daniels
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            I keep hearing stuff like this, on liberal blogs as well, about how the intrinsic structure of the American system prevents assertive progressive action and it always goes to this place where it is noted that the structural defect is only now happening because someone is exploiting it.

            I’m not convinced this structural defect prevents assertive progressive action. Biden has been, overall, more assertively progressive than his past two predecessors.

            It does shift the locus of power to the Courts and the Executive, though.

            The people exploiting the defect have a name, and a party. It isn’t “Congress” and it isn’t “politicians” it is the Republican Party.

            Yeah but the defect was there for them to exploit. If bank robbers are able to rob your bank because the lock on the vault didn’t work, the perfidy of the robbers doesn’t mean the lock wasn’t actually broken!Report

            • pillsy in reply to pillsy
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              Also, I think there is a closely related defect in terms of how institutionalized are parties are there in general, so if one of them is sufficiently rotten (Fact Check: true) it will still have a puncher’s chance of taking power.Report

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