Cernovich didn’t explicitly say that “Democrats are coming to kill you,” but Delbert took the message exactly as Cernovich intended. Never mind that a lot of the dehumanization comes from people like Cernovich who have spent years labeling political opponents as RINOs, commies, socialists, pedos, groomers, etc.
Cernovich is doing his best to frighten people like Delbert with fecal-quality posts. This sort of thing should be ignored, but the problem is that, if we ignore it, people like Delbert who live in bubbles of right-wing confirmation bias will assume that it is true.
And ideas like the one that Cernovich is pushing and Delbert is buying into are ideas that get people killed. If right-wing believers like Delbert become convinced that Democrats are out to kill them, the logical course of action is to strike first.
We’ve already seen how conspiracy theories kill. QAnon has been linked to multiple murders. The 2020 Christmas bombing in Nashville was carried out by a conspiracy theorist. The Buffalo spree-killing perpetrator believed in the “great replacement” conspiracy theory. Pandemic conspiracy theorists plotted to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Even the January 6 attack on the Capitol is directly linked to conspiracy theories about the election.
And a lot of right-wing conspiracy theories take on very dystopian and malevolent undertones. I’ve seen people who believed that Barack Obama wanted to declare martial law over the southwestern United States, that detention centers were being set up in abandoned Walmarts, that Joe Biden is after your guns, and that private gun ownership is the only thing that has kept conservatives and/or Christians out of concentration camps. Never mind that the first two never happened, that Joe Biden didn’t push gun confiscation when he had a majority, and that there is a multitude of examples of countries with strict gun laws that have never experienced mass deportations or genocides.
It isn’t just the right by the way. The left has dystopian conspiracy theories as well. One common one is the “Handmaid’s Tale” conspiracy that the right wants to strip rights from women and make them baby breeders. Of course, the biggest leftist conspiracy theory, that Donald Trump was planning to ignore an election loss and hold onto power, turned out to be true.
The question is what to do about conspiracy theories and inflammatory and misleading posts. The First Amendment guarantees that the government can’t restrict such speech unless it crosses the line to incitement, but private companies can rein it in. Some social media platforms would remove such posts. Not Elon Musk’s Twitter (or X or Xitter or whatever). And even then, removing posts doesn’t eliminate the underlying conspiracies, it just drives them underground. The upside is that this makes it harder for them to spread.
I’m a believer that the best answer to abhorrent and evil and lying speech is more speech. As Louis Brandeis said, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”
But that’s a difficult answer in an age in which people like Delbert can seal themselves in a bubble in which they only hear people like Cernovich. We need a way to pierce the bubble. Even then, a lot of them won’t listen.
Conspiracy believers have a way of walling themselves off from logic, reason, and truth. It really is cult-like.
And while I’m old enough to remember when conservatives would decry the culture of victimhood on the left, these days the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The right desperately wants to see itself as victims. Of what? You name it. In a country with more religious freedom than anywhere else on Earth, many Christians have a persecution complex. Gun owners at least somewhat reasonably see themselves as “targeted” but judicial protections of the Second Amendment have only gotten stronger, the same as for religious freedom. Medical masks and vaccines to stop a pandemic are viewed as tyranny and allowing social media platforms to set standards and police their sites for decency is considered censorship. The list goes on and on.
I wrote recently that I was optimistic about our future. And I am, but situations like this fuel my pessimistic side.
Most Americans reject the sort of nonsense that people like Cernovich and Donald Trump spew forth, but, depending on exactly what sort of nonsense we are talking about, the minority that buys into the conspiracy theories can be pretty significant. Few people are likely to believe that Democrats are out to kill off Republicans but a CNN poll from early August showed 69 (nice!) percent of Republicans believe that Biden’s win was illegitimate.
And while these are minorities, a small number of people can cause a lot of chaos. We saw that on January 6 as well as all through the War on Terror.
There is a core of people on the right who believe that we are headed for a civil war. I know this because I know some of them. Some don’t look forward to the war with dread but with anticipation. Like the Confederates of the 1860s, I don’t think they know what they are wishing for.
As we saw on January 6, the vast majority of law enforcement and military personnel will stand with the legitimately-elected government. If we ever have Civil War II, it’s not going to end well for rebels, a minority whose bubble of confirmation bias has convinced them that they are a majority.
In fact, I am convinced that a lot of Trumpworld thought January 6 was the beginning of the revolution. They expected the country and its security forces to rise up and join them. I think that explains the hatred and disdain that the MAGA right has focused on the Capitol Police who stood in their way.
If or when MAGA takes up arms against the federal government, it won’t be pretty, but it also won’t be successful. MAGA is likely to “reap the whirlwind” as Billy the Kid’s gang put it in “Young Guns.”
David Frum put it another way when he opined on Twitter, “When I called for civil war against the United States, I didn’t expect General Sherman to burn down my house!”
More than 1,000 MAGA Republicans have learned since January 6 that insurrection is a serious business as they have been charged with federal crimes. Hundreds have gone to jail. Some for extended stays.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
People like Donald Trump and Mike Cernovich seemed determined to spread that misery around to more of the Delberts on the right. This convinces me more than anything else that Trump does not love either America or his supporters. People who really love America wouldn’t want to see it burn.
And there were 123,456,789 similar tweets, Facebook posts, thinkpieces, speeches at various functions, and even whole entire books written after the 2016 election saying the same things about Republicans. Far more of these sentiments, and from far more important and influential leftist influencers and pundits.
If you don’t recall that, I suggest you see a doctor about your memory loss.
We are in a race to the bottom, and you need to stop contributing to the running of that race. Either start unraveling the reasons for that race fully and honestly – discussing the full history of how we got to where we are as completely as you can, or offer solutions. What you’re doing here is ugly, divisive, and blatantly deceptive.Report
I’d think you’d be well placed to write both the history piece and the solutions piece.Report
I think the difference is that the Republican Party used to be largely free of this stuff. I think the institutional party (the officials and Romneys) still is. There’s always been a loony right, but they’d never been near power. It’s also worth noting that the loony right agrees with the left on a lot of things.
I’m interested in the work of Joseph Uscinski, a researcher on the subject of conspiracy theories and thinking. He claims that there’s been no increase in conspiracy theorists in recent years. I get the impression that the number of believers is pretty steady, but the willingness to speak up varies over time.Report
My perception is that in the wake of Trump the right has picked up on a lot of conspiratorial thinking that I used to see as at least vaguely left coded. Part of that story is also probably the institutional left picking up a style of social and cultural heavy handedness I used to see as at least vaguely right coded.Report
The loony Right has a long history, as recounted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics, which was inspired by Goldwater’s 1964 presidential run. We remember Goldwater fondly, as a principled libertarian, but the racism surrounding him in 1964 was enough to drive people like Jackie Robinson away from the GOP (which had largely voted for the CRA and VRA) for good.Report
Could you give a date on that? I’m assuming the transition you’re thinking of is when they went Birtherism, but just checking.Report
Time for me to re-up my recurring challenge for the conservatives here to describe their worst-case scenario of an unfettered Democratic government.
Like, given a complete control of the levers of government, what are some of the things Democrats in office are promising to do?
The last few times we’ve conducted this experiment, the answers ranged from “mismanage the economy” to “allow women to get abortions” to “allow trans people to live as they wish”.
Then we can compare these to actual policy proposals being bandied about by conservatives.Report
Although I am not a conservative….
EV vehicles….”shudders”.
Mandatory vehicle safety equipment: Auto stop, collision avoidance, land departure, etc.Report
you don’t like motor cycle helmets either I suspect . . .Report
SO other then EVS – which is as much a market thing and anything else – our resident conservatives don’t have actual policy objections to Democrats being in charge.Report
I think this is a good piece but the “both sides…” is bad and gets in the of understanding. Granted most people do this so this isn’t on you David. Conspiracies are not sided. One party may have more of this nut now then another but conspriacries are from people, not from parties.
The “both sides” stuff gets in the because just start pointing fingers instead of looking at themselves or their group. Most of the right coded conspiracies are shared by the current libertarians (buffoons that they are) or the anti vax stuff has been on the left for a while. But even not aligned people have conspiracies.
Want less conspiracies speak out w/o the both sides stuff. If it’s wrong , just say it’s wrong. You dont’ have to find a corresponding loon on another side. That is one way to start to cope .Report
I don’t see libertarians as conspiracy people. Then again, I haven’t been hanging out on their sites lately.Report
The official Libertarian party has gone hard right. They have lost a ton of members and mostly just troll post on Twitter. This isn’t just my liberal view, it’s what a lot of libertarians have said. All the same conspiracies as are found on the right.Report
That sounds right. To be honest, I didn’t even think of the Party when you said “libertarian”, they’re that far outside the conversation.Report
I am actually completely baffled if I am supposed to think that the two examples of Dem conspiracy, _both_ of which were correct (Republicans were indeed planning to take away the rights of women to an abortion, which is less a conspiracy theory or even a hypothesis and more ‘They literally said they would over and over for decades, and then did it.’), is actually BSDI, or whether that is somehow supposed to be sarcastic. I literally typed a half a post and deleted it because I ended up completely confused if I was supposed to be taking that seriously.Report
As with nearly everything else the American Right does, every accusation is a confession. The accusation that the Democrats are going to go out and start killing Republicans would be funny if not for the current context of American politics. Just about near 100% of all political violence and threats of political violence have been done on the Right. People on my side of the aisle, especially if they aren’t very online, have been working hard to find the Secret Disney Liberal in Republicans in order to calm down and restore sanity.Report
Are you counting the Nashville school shooting as political? The Louisville bank shooting?Report
I dunno, maybe he was counting the one that happened literally four hours after he made that comment where a woman got shot for having a pride flag up.
Wait, no, I doubt that, it would require LeeEsq to be psychic, sorry. I don’t know why I was thinking he might be.
Hey, explain to me why you think the 2023 Louisville bank shooting would even be vaguely classified under political by anyone?Report
Hey, can I actually get a response to this? Why do you think that’s political?Report
He was a left-wing anti-Trumper who wanted commit suicide so he bought a gun and went on a killing spree to prove how easy it was for crazy people to buy guns.Report
Okay, this really is nit-picking because I understand and appreciate the post itself. However, it’s not entirely pedantic to point out that what happened in Rwanda was a genocide and not ethnic cleansing. The distinction is ethnic cleansing is trying to remove a group of people from a piece of land, without regard to whether they die in the process, while genocide is setting out to exterminate a group of people.
I actually asked the late Alison Des Forges this question (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Des_Forges she wrote the book on the Rwandan Genocide) and she put it as, in one case, think of it as flushing a group of people out of a territory by almost surrounding them, while in the other, the aim is to surround them and not let them escape.Report