Whether Hunter, Wither Biden, Wether GOP Theories

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  1. James K says:

    I have a low opinion of the integrity of the American politicians, but nothing has convinced me more that Biden is clean as a whistle than the fact that the Republicans can’t stop banging on about Hunter.Report

  2. Saul Degraw says:

    I have a theory, and it is mine, that there is a faction of the GOP that seethes in resentment at the success of certain segments of the Democratic Party, mainly upper-middle class bougie people of relative levels of secularism. They hate that this crowd has no hang ups about pre-marital sex and cohabitation, LBGTQ rights, preferring brunch to church, etc and succeeds while their parishoners fail. They also hate that Obama and Biden are basically their versions of what a politician should be but Democratic and liberal-leaning instead of conservative.

    Hence, the Hunter Biden story.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Hunter is the ultimate example of someone who has no hang ups about pre-marital sex and cohabitation, is big on LBGTQ rights, prefers brunch to church, etc and succeeds while parishioners fail.

      That’s for dang sure.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Around the time of Charles Murray’s Coming Apart book where he noted how successful upper middle class people tended to also be socially liberal, I saw an essay from a conservative saying that liberals should “preach what they practice”.

      That is, liberals such as the Obamas and Bidens and all the upper middle class coastal types tend to have successful marriages and good relationships with their kids and generally adhered to the bourgeoisie norms of hard work and studiousness but were tolerant of those who didn’t.
      There was also Obama’s “bitter clinger” comment that provoked howls of outrage from the GOP.

      I think it is true that the most bitter resentment within the conservatives is the success of people who defy their belief systems- people who are irreligious yet are happy and fulfilled, women who don’t get married but are successful, queer people who are out and proud.

      I think the resentment is compounded by the failures of red state rural America where the jobs and young people are fleeing. A lot of what we see in Trump and DeSantis (E.g. the destruction of Florida’s New School) is the old “Ivan’s Goat” joke from Soviet times where they would rather kill Ivan’s goat rather than get one for themselves.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        Pedantic nitpick: Florida had the New College. The New School for Social Research (now New School University) is in New York.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        The Republicans basically represent the faction of the middle class that would want to impose the correct standards of living on society or the Proudly Dysfunctional.Report

      • CJColucci in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        I always thought the “preach what you practice” advice was silly. Successful upper-middle class liberals have stable marriages and bourgeois habits of work and study because they are successful upper-middle class liberals and not vice versa. Sure, there are exceptional examples from the lower orders who develop these habits and have these outcomes, but they are exceptional because it’s damn hard to do without baseline economic and familial stability already in place. How many of us would replicate our current success in those circumstances?
        Not to mention that having those of use who were raised in circumstances conducive to success hector the less fortunate is unlikely to be effective or well-received.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to CJColucci says:

          I’ve mentioned before how I often feel like a character in a Dickens novel, walking through the streets on my way to a nice comfortable middle class job, stepping around beggars and raving lunatics.

          Its easy to be smug and believe that it is all just my own good choices and moral character than separates me from them but I know from bitter experience I am probably no more than a turn of back luck and a single bad choice away from being one of them.

          We don’t really know what the secret to success is. The bromide of “stay in school/ stay married/wait to have children/save for a rainy day” is true, but it always omits the last and most important part- “Don’t be human”.Report

          • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            Nobody wants to admit that luck plays a big part of success. A lot of people become successful at least in strictly material terms by being slightly to thoroughly dishonest in their business dealings or have the looks and charisma to earn off of that. There are plenty of people who do everything they are supposed to and end up getting it hard by life and not amounting to much of anything.Report

            • Saul Degraw in reply to LeeEsq says:

              No one seems to remember that meritocracy was coined as a darkly satirical term for a darkly satirical novel and the plot of this novel has more or less seemingly come true to life.

              We are no longer fully in the old network where the people with the proper names get into the proper boarding schools and then into the proper universities. While at the universities, they get Gentlemen’s Cs and then get the right jobs and eventually move up into power.

              The meritocracy does a very good job of making those who get to the very top look like they did it on merit or “merit” even if there is a lot of grade inflation. The elite private schools try to present as being more academically oriented and are no longer as blatantly WASPy.Report

          • North in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            Sometimes I wonder if, post the triumph of aught era LGBT+ causes, 90% of internet arguments don’t boil down to right wingers screaming “Effort matters” at left wingers who retort “Luck matters”.Report

            • Saul Degraw in reply to North says:

              That would be a fairly accurate summary but I am sympathetic to the arguments against meritocracy and a lot of liberals elite types can get thin skinned around arguments that maybe their position has less to do with hardwork than being born into the family that knew what Dalton was, could afford to send you to Dalton, Dalton got you into HYPS, and that landed you at your cool high-paying job. The insidious thing about the meritocracy is that it does create a mirage of merit. Harvard is no longer the finishing school for the idiot sons of the rich but it is not quite the grinding academic factory it imagines itself to be either.Report

  3. Dark Matter says:

    GOP needs to run on something other than Trump’s “the election was stolen”.

    Problem #1 is Biden isn’t doing anything bad on a big enough scale that it can distract, so they need to go for small beer.

    Problem #2 is the bulk of what Hunter was doing “wrong” is in fact legal and BSDI so the GOP can’t really point at that.

    Problem #3 is Trump will reorient them to “the election was stolen” if they get off message.Report

    • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

      When I read your comment I eventually noticed a faint sound. I hunted around a bunch; it was vaguely classical sounding, definitely stringed and extremely faint. Like music was playing on my cell phone under a couch cushion or something. I finally found the source: a miniscule stringed instrument- possibly the worlds’ smallest violin.Report

    • Jesse in reply to Dark Matter says:

      The actual other problem is this has been the GOP’s tactic with every Democratic President or nominee since Clinton, regardless of it’s actual truth. Remember Tony Rezko? It’s like they found out ole’ Slick Willy was corrupt in the way all Southern politicians tend to be of both parties (and the voters don’t seem to really care), and thought that was true of everybody.

      But hey, I’d totally support a bill that’d limit the ability for the children of all President’s where they would get unduly rewarded because they’re related to the President.Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to Dark Matter says:

      Because it is the party of shamelessness, I don’t see BSDI as a problem for the GOP at all. (Not really for the Dems, either, although perhaps just a bit more of a problem there, because some Democrats still possess the gene that enables the human limbic system to produce the brain hormones responsible for the “shame” emotion.)

      Nor have I noticed the criminal status of anything Hunter Biden has done slow the GOP and the appurtenant media machine down one bit. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of low-information conservatives who have been quite convinced by what they see and hear repeated every day on FOX News that Hunter Biden is the greatest criminal to roam the nation since Al Capone, and maybe worse because he’s personally his father’s agent and authorized bagman. There is zero evidence for it and the GOP’s star (and in fact only) witness for this purported link between President Biden and his ne’er-do-well son turned out to have been a thoroughly corrupted Chinese spy, but again, this needn’t slow down application of the tar brush at all.

      But I basically agree with you on #1 and #3. And #3 is not a salable pitch outside of the unpersuadably Trumpy segment of the conservabubble.Report