Debt Limit Cacophony Ends With A Meh

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  1. Slade the Leveller says:

    A nice summation of the disgust we all feel about Congress as we pull the lever, yet again, for the same person representing us in that body.Report

  2. Chip Daniels says:

    California used to have this exact scenario play out repeatedly as Republicans held the budget hostage and several times forced shutdowns.
    And we were treated to the very same sort of essays about “Those politicians” and how dysfunctional they are blah blah blah.

    Until the Democrats reached a supermajority and now, the budget passes easily every year. There is no dysfunction, no shutdowns or hostage taking.Report

  3. InMD says:

    I agree that this was more theater than governance, but I think it’s important to understand why it played out that way, and it’s because Joe Biden successfully knocked the wind out of Republican sails by matter of factly saying exactly what they wanted to do: make massive cuts to popular entitlement programs like social security and Medicare. There’s also the fine print of course about their plan to do this being fiscal insanity as it would not have been paired with any plan to put the government on a sustainable footing, but tax cuts for the rich that would have only exacerbated the issue, though that’s less important.

    What is important is that it painted the Republicans into a corner where they, by virtue of tensions in their own coalition (to say nothing of the politics), had to back off virtually all of the substance but still make a big show of fighting to save a little face. In a certain way I would say the outcome, assuming Senate passage without much fuss, really is a victory of boring ol’ politics as usual, and dare I say Bidenism. Biden being Biden is not going to crow about it because he understands that when you’ve won you don’t need to and it may even help you for a fight to look harder than it was. I think the ‘Dark Brandon’ thing is a little stupid. However this adds credence to the idea that he is perpetually under estimated but seems in a way that is both quiet and haphazard to come out on top without anyone realizing it until the smoke clears.Report

    • North in reply to InMD says:

      Concur on this. Joe’s doing a good job. I just wish to God(ess?) he was ten to twenty years younger.Report

      • InMD in reply to North says:

        Sometimes I think that, and I definitely think we’ll be in a world of hurt it he does something crazy like dropping dead. Other times I think being from another era may be among the biggest factors allowing him to pull off what he has been able to.Report

  4. John Puccio says:

    MacGuffin is definitely the word.

    The Debt Ceiling Crisis is my least favorite of U.S. Political Theater production.

    Zero entertainment value and 100% predictable.Report

  5. Saul Degraw says:

    Welcome to a country where there is significant and increasing negative polarization and the parties are more or less equally divided in support. Add the fact that it is nearly impossible to reform or change the basic structure of the federal government so we are probably stuck with these things for the foreseeable future.

    There is potentially a platonic ideal of democracy where the parties are basically all working for the common good and compete for votes by messing around the margins of policy. The big problem here is that it ignores what happens when there are real and serious ideological differences and divisions on what the common good is, what the purpose and point of government is, and a whole lot of other issues related to liberty, and also the good old fashioned who gets what when, where, why, and how.

    I agree that there is a generally sour mood regarding politics in this country. I don’t think this is limited to the national government but can be found in municipalities as well. I’m pretty sour about the people running for mayor in 2024. Maybe this will change and someone I like more will throw his or her hat in the ring.

    Republicans don’t like Democrats. Democrats don’t like Republican. Mushy middle voters think everything is vaguely icky in an ichoate way.

    2024 is almost certainly going to be a rematch of Biden and Trump. Two people who are pretty unpopular. I think Biden’s negative poll ratings are unjustified but they are what they are. Is there another Presidential election where both nominees were unpopular? I think there is a substantial chance for control of Congress to flip in 2024. Basically, Democrats regain the House and Republicans gain the Senate (Tester, Manchin, and Brown have defied political gravity before but it could be harder this time around). 71 percent of Californians want DiFi to resign because of her health but there is no mechanism for it and all the old people in the Senate are rushing to her defense because it is so unfair and sexist to attack the old woman when Strom Thurmond got to be a vegetable in the Senate on his 100th birthday. The only politicians calling for her resignation are a bunch of upstart crows in the House and the Boomers treat them like they are still at the kid’s table.Report

  6. Philip H says:

    So I’ll start by admitting that the House Freedom Caucus was and is a lot more hot air then I expected. It is true they voted as a block against the bill once produced – its also true they didn’t use their majority on the Rules Committee to do more damage. I’m not sure how it will be spun but its apparent they lost big time.

    That said – when you need Democrats to get your first piece of “historic” legislation across the finish line in a House you control (if only barely), you may want to rethink your ability to retake the House, Senate and White House in the next cycle. Republicans need to really start thinking about what vision they want to share next year – cause this isn’t going to move the needle on independents and moderates.Report