If Not Joe Biden, Who?
Recently, there have been a lot of pieces urging Joe Biden not to run for reelection in 2024. I don’t think that anyone other than Donald Trump and his most devout supporters want a rematch of the 2020 Trump versus Biden race. Most Americans shudder at the mere thought of a replay of the year that most want to forget.
Most people don’t want either of the two, even on a separate basis. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 58 percent of Democrats and Democrat-leaners want someone other than the incumbent to run in 2024. Only 31 percent want Mr. Biden renominated. On the Republican side, it isn’t much different. Forty-nine percent don’t want Donald Trump to run again compared to 41 percent who do.
The Republicans do have an advantage in having a deeper bench. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is the strongest challenger, but there are other options as well. Nikki Haley, ambassador to the United Nations under Donald Trump and a former governor of South Carolina, has already thrown her hat into the ring, but there are a number of other strong possibilities, many of whom ran against Donald Trump in the 2016 primary. Mike Pence may run and Senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are possible candidates as well. Governors like Larry Hogan, Chris Sununu, and Brian Kemp may also test the waters.
On the Democratic side, there are far fewer options. “Saturday Night Live” hit close to home last year when the show ran a faux horror movie trailer in which friends are horrified to hear that Biden is going to run again. The joke is that they become even more horrified as they consider the alternatives.
Kamala Harris is quickly discarded. The woman that Republicans thought was being anointed or who would depose Biden just a few years ago is now someone that most Democrats want nothing to do with. Cory Booker is cast aside with barely a mention. A Beto mailer slides under the door. But the real horror comes from a bloody “Bernie” written on the wall and a man who is seemingly possessed by the Hillary campaign.
None of these candidates seem able to catch the imagination of Democratic voters, let alone general election voters. In fact, most of them have already had at least one crack at a presidential campaign and failed quickly.
Looking back at 2020, there was a plethora of candidates vying for the nomination. If we look back at the polling averages on Real Clear Politics, we see that several candidates surged at various times but were never able to knock Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders out of the top spots.
Kamala Harris was the first to surge in July 2019 but quickly faded due to weak campaign skills and staff infighting. Elizabeth Warren was a strong contender but failed to gain traction outside the progressive wing of the party. Pete Buttigieg enjoyed a brief blip, but no candidate has ever gone directly from mayor to president. Michael Bloomberg also surged toward the end of March, but he is now totally forgotten by the party.
There were other candidates that year as well. Andrew Yang inspired a devoted following and was last seen working with the Forward Party. Tulsi Gabbard left Congress and joined the right, speaking at CPAC and appearing on Tucker Carlson’s show. Amy Klobuchar, still a Minnesota senator, was popular among moderates but never climbed out of single digits.
So let’s go down the list of possible Democrats for 2024 and I’ll explain why they can’t win the nomination.
Kamala Harris – The vice president is usually the heir apparent, but Kamala is not popular in her own party, has little charisma, and hasn’t stood out in her current job. In 2020, this black candidate could not win the support of black Democrats over Joe Biden.
Bernie Sanders – Democrats realize that Bernie is toxic. Last time, they were more united in opposition to Bernie than in favor of Biden. I don’t see any reason to think that will change.
Hillary – Just no. Add to the huge disappointment of 2016 that Hillary will be 77 in 2024. If the object is to find a younger candidate, look elsewhere.
Pete Buttigieg – Mayor Pete led Joe Biden in a University of New Hampshire poll from last July, but Buttigieg has little experience as a national or even statewide campaigner and is short on executive experience. His homosexuality won’t hurt him in the Democratic primary but would be more of an issue in the general election. Buttigieg is a likely option for a vice presidential pick.
Elizabeth Warren – Warren has been out of the limelight for most of the past two years. She’s an intelligent woman who is popular among progressives, but she would have a tough time bringing the various Democratic factions together.
Beto O’Rourke – Beto is a Democratic rockstar, but after two failed attempts at Texas governor, few will trust him in a presidential campaign.
Stacey Abrams – Just reread what I wrote for Beto and substitute “Georgia” for “Texas.”
Gavin Newsom – The governor of California could be a strong candidate, but his association with California radicalism may turn off a lot of swing voters.
AOC – Don’t make me laugh.
Joe Manchin – The West Virginia senator would be a good pick for the general election, but he’d never survive the primary. Progressives would love to run him out of the party and he may face a strong challenge for his reelection to the Senate from the party’s left.
Amy Klobuchar – The Minnesota senator is too moderate for the progressives.
Gretchen Whitmer – The Michigan governor is polarizing and not very well known outside the political stan circles.
Jared Polis – Even fewer people know the Colorado governor.
John Bel Edwards – The Louisiana governor would be another moderate pick, but a pro-life politician isn’t going far in today’s Democratic Party.
The fact is that Joe Biden occupies a unique niche in Democratic politics. He is toward the right side of Democratic personalities, which makes him palatable to moderates and independents but puts him at a disadvantage with his own party’s progressives. Biden is able to offset this with his strong support among black Democrats, who tend to be more conservative.
To put it another way, Democrats think that Biden is too conservative and Republicans think that he’s too liberal. Strangely enough, that puts him pretty close to the center of American politics. And yes, I do think that includes issues such as abortion and guns where I realize my own conservative views are somewhat out of the mainstream.
Neither side will ever admit this though because they both think that they are the American majority. They’re both wrong. The American political landscape is split into rough thirds. At any given time, about a third are liberal, about a third are conservative, and about a third are moderate/unaffiliated/don’t pay attention. Since neither conservatives nor liberals are a majority, elections are typically decided by the middle third (although partisan turnout is also a big factor).
That’s why Joe Biden won in 2020. The Democratic candidate was the sane choice and was even more conservative in many respects than the Republican candidate. While Donald Trump ran a turn-out-the-base campaign, Joe Biden angled for the disaffected middle.
Biden was also aided by Trump’s own incompetence as a campaigner. Republicans made much of the fact that Biden rarely ventured out on the campaign trail. He didn’t have to. As Napoleon reportedly said, “Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.”
My money is on Joe Biden to take the Democratic nomination in 2024. I think a lot of the president’s unpopularity at the moment stems from inflation and economic problems, but those are easing. He has recent successes to point to and his somewhat conciliatory tone in the State of the Union will appeal to moderates (the ones that paid attention anyway).
More to the point, I just don’t see another Democrat on the horizon who can put together a coalition that unites the progressive wing with moderates and black voters. This point extends to the general election where Republicans are likely to be unified against any Democrat (unless Trump runs as an independent, but that’s a topic for another day).
Whether Joe could win a second term is also another question, but I think he would undoubtedly beat Donald Trump again. The Former Guy is just too toxic. Ron DeSantis is another question, but the primary fight between the two is shaping up to be a thermonuclear exchange. Already, Trump supporters are claiming that DeSantis was grooming high school girls.
The Republican Primary is going to be ugly. And the GOP may well split on the way to the general election. If that happens, it will be to the benefit of a Democratic candidate who can stay out of the way and not distract voters from the Republican civil war.
A candidate like Joe Biden.
I think you are largely correct about Biden.
I don’t think you are correct about some others. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris now have enough clout to garner better staff, who in turn can better direct a campaign. Mayor Pete is now garnering significant executive experience as Transportation Secretary – a sector that will be key to decarbonizing America. If Hakeem Jeffries has higher ambitions, 2024 will likely be his year to chase them. And Gavin Newsome presides over the world’s 4th largest economy, a growth message that Republicans can only dream of.
Democrats, however, have shot themselves in the foot repeatedly at the state level. Jon Bell Edwards is indeed a centerist Democrat in a deeply red state, but he’s the only one. Likewise in Mississippi the only two Democrats in state-wide or state known office are Bennie Thompson and Brandon Pressley – the Public Service Commission Democrat currently challenging Tate Reeves for Governor. There just isn’t bench depth.
At this point I am somewhat maudlin about the left’s prospects in 2024. Should Biden and Trump face off I think Biden wins. Biden and DeSantis is a tougher campaign, but as noted elsewhere here on OT DeSantis doesn’t have an economic answer for Americans, and Biden still does.
Regardless, I want Biden to be the last Boomer or Boomer adjacent President. There is good leadership in the Gen X crowd, and we are REALLY tired of waiting to stretch our legs.Report
I think Biden is actually Silent Generation.
Of your list the only one that seems to me like a total whiff is Kamala. Newsome has a propensity to embarrass himself but as Chip notes below the GOP seems intent on perpetually raising the ceiling (or is it lowering the floor?) in that regard.Report
I’ll give props to Joe for his opening to SOTU. Beginning with recognition of McCarthy and his ‘dad joke’ about working with him came off as sincere, warm, and unironic — as far as DC goes, anyhow. Biden has always been really good at retail politics.
As a Biden declinest, I still don’t think he has enough left in the tank to be the sort of Centrist Liberal he’d like to be. I think he’s managing his team in equal measures to how he’s being managed… and the balance will continue to tip unfavorably away from him. I’m not saying he has dementia, just that he has the fortitude and acuity of an Octogenarian – which is way past peak – and it shows. And it’s not going to improve. I’m a little bit reminded of BXVI who ultimately resigned the papacy in recognition that exerting the (internal) force necessary to control all the ambitions of his administration, was beyond his capacity. Whether or not that was good for the Papacy or would be good for the Dems? Maybe, maybe not.
That said, yes, it’s his nomination to dispense with. For the party’s sake, it’s probably wise to see how 2024 shapes up before pushing in all the chips on Joe. But also, touting Joe’s ‘centrism’ absent Joe directing the show, increasingly comes across as strained. And, further, as much as I’ll grant that Joe has Centrist instincts and credentials, he’s become increasingly Left Liberal on a number of public issues, which further erodes the idea that he’s ‘holding back’ or managing the direction of the Party.Report
Whitmer / Warnock is the ticket for 2028, assuming neither of them are secretly serial killers or whatever.Report
The weakness of pundit prognostication is that A, a lot can happen in a couple years, and B, someone MUST and someone WILL win, regardless of any other factors.
For context, in 2004 Barack Obama was so little known that Peggy Noonan crowed, “I do not know in toto what the Democratic party spent on the 2004 election, but what they have seemed to have gotten for it is Barack Obama. Let us savor.”
In 2014 Donald Trump was a punchline and it was impossible for him to win the nomination, right up until he did. In 1992 GW Bush was riding high in the polls due to the Gulf War.
I admit a strong bias, but Gavin Newsom has in fact put together a strong coalition similar to Joe Biden.
What a lot of pundits don’t realize is that California is very much like America itself. Look at an electoral map broken down to the county level and the map of California looks pretty much like America. Trump got more votes in California than anywhere else and much of the Chaos Caucus hails from the “liberal” state.
Here in California the fable “swing” voters- the moderate Democrats, independents, middle of the road small business owners and suburban moms- have opted to vote Democratic, and (this is the important part), largely because A, the California Dems are not at all radical, and B, the Republicans are disastrously radical and self-defeating.
A GW Bush or Reagan style Republican could today run against Newsom and give him a nail-biter contest, but alas for the Republicans the best they could come up with was a comical radio show host.
Having said all that- After Tuesday’s SOTU, Biden looks like a heavyweight in his prime.
But again, I admit a bias.Report
Editor – Duplicates of first few paragraphs.Report
Let’s make this thought experiment even more fun. A black hole comes to the United States tomorrow and swallows up Trump, DeSantis, Biden, Harris, and McCarthy. Patty Murray becomes President of the United States because she is fourth in line as President Pro Tempore of the Senate but decides not to run in 2024 because she has a phobia of being swallowed up by black holes.
Who do the party’s run in 2024?Report
Kerry – he couldn’t run as an alternative to Biden in our reality because he’s only a year younger, but he could run in this scenario. Senate, foreign policy, climate change credentials. Assuming the nation is in a black hole crisis, he’d be a calming elder statesman.
Cruz – He’d love to be president, and with the two strongest pollers off the scene, nobody could stand up to him.Report
Well done Pinky- you have found a scenarion in which Cruz could credibly be elected President; the voters and his party would totally go for it on the plausible chance Cruz would end up in a black hole.Report
The Cruz hate is legendary on the left. They trade stories about it like Pokemon cards. I could see him getting the GOP nom one day though. He’s smart and has high name recognition, and as a person, he’s more likeable than the other guy I mentioned.Report
I was referring to the Cruz hatred on the right. The man is loathed by his peers. They nominated Donald Trump rather than unit behind his campaign in ’16. Everyone hates Cruz.Report
I should have been clearer. That’s what I was talking about. There is a myth on the left that the right hates Cruz.Report
More seriously, I think Biden is one of the most underestimated politicians in the United States. The SOTU address showed he can be very effective against a heckler’s veto and he basically lead Republicans off a cliff and they were all too eager to be a pack of lemmings (yes, I know lemmings really do not commit suicide by running off cliffs en masse.)
On the other hand, a lot can change in a person from 82-86.
Trump has decided it is knives out for DeSantis and I have not seen any Republican except the few remaining anti-Trumpers be able to avoid destruction from Trump so DeSantis is probably a goner.
If not Biden, I like Gavin Newsom. He is a governor of a large blue state and has also shown himself very capable of pushing back against Trump and DeSantis. There are a lot of Democrats who are a bit meh on him because they think he is a bit too slick. Newsom’s sometime nickname is Governor Nicehair. However, I think that can work to his advantage against Trump and DeSantis because it becomes like one frat boy telling another “Dude, not cool. Stop being a dick.”
Other possibilites are Governor Whitmer from Michigan and Senator Warnock from Georgia (though this would mean a Republican gain in the Senate because Kemp would pick his replacement).Report
A Newsome-Whitmer ticket would be a thing to watch . . . .Report
Like a train wreck? Horrible yet fascinating.Report
Newsome might be an issue, but what would be the problem w/ a Midwestern governor who just won a landslide and a trifecta for the Democrat’s for the first time since I was literally a baby, and I’m almost 40?Report
Defend your thesis.Report
Newsom looks the most out of central casting. I don’t think he wants to be President though. Rather than having a super majority in the legislature, he will have a heavily divided Congress and one or two spanners in the works of his own party to deal with.Report
I don’t think he’d enjoy that aspect of it, but I think he wants it.Report
Slick Cali guy is tailor made to be hated by lots of people. Not sure how he brings in difficult purple states. D’s need someone to bring the middle 5% of ind voters over the line. D and pols in general suffer from the “distant elite” vibe so we dont’ want to try to sell that. We need someone that connects. I dont’ know if newsome is that guy but his fancy dinner during covid looked bad and shows he is the typical idiotic political instincts of the median D pol.Report
Fetterman definitely shatters the “distant elite” vibe, but I don’t expect the White House is on his radar.Report
Yeah he has strong points. Probably to fast to try for the prez even if there weren’t other issuesReport
Hell’s bells, I’d just like him to be able to serve out his term in the Senate.Report
you and me bothReport
My counter to this is the results of 2020 and 2022. Nothing is guaranteed but I think Trump is a largely spent force and the results from 2022 in Trump to Biden states (Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin) show that there is not a real appetite for the DeSantis culture war in those states either.Report
I’m not convinced its the policies so much as the wrapper.Report
Trump has always been a loser. He lost the vote to hillary so he’ll lose the pop vote to biden again. But margins are going to be super thin. Slick Cali guy sounds like a guy tailor made to look bad and sound bad. Having a Cali gov plays into the stereotypes of D’s that doesn’t help in a lot of places.
I dont’ think RDS culture war will play well. But like i mentioned about Hillary being more popular then trump. True but the EC is there and we need someone who will pick up the last couple states and not just get more votes.Report
I also think it’s just hard to tell how Dems from coastal blue states will do under pressure. They’ve usually gotten where they are through intra-party intrigue and maneuvering. Beating Republicans in a swing state is a different beast.Report
I agree with you that wherever we are, it is passed peak Trump, not that you can rule out the possibility of some weird chain of events resulting in him running the table again. However I still think Midwesterners and preferably governors are the better bet for national fortunes, if for no other reason than they’ve probably got some experience winning the kind of people they need to in today’s political geography.Report
This essay is a great reminder that in practice, politics is frequently the art of selecting That Which Is Least Bad.Report
Re: Kamala Harris “hasn’t stood out in her current job.” Can you name any vice president in our entire history who stood out as vice president? OK, there’s Dick Cheney who talked George Mortimer S. Bush into starting two disastrous wars. Aside from him.Report
Gore and Cheney do account for 16 years of recent VP history and were both seen as influential in their time.Report
Thank you for confirming my observation, Pinky. The standard of excellence for VP’s is “influential, I guess.”Report
But Harris isn’t anywhere near that level.Report
A quick review of the GOP bench during basketball season reveals that they were largely walk-ons. As far as I can tell, Pence got the VP nomination because he appeared to be intelligent enough not to be part of that group.Report
Pence got the job because he could legitimately tell the evanglicals, “the rich guy who probably paid for half-a-dozen abortions and hung out with gay people for decades will appoint whomever the Federalist Society says too.”Report
I don’t think Pence is perceived as intelligent at all. He’s amiable.Report