19 thoughts on “Conservatives Should Rediscover John Quincy Adams

  1. He could have emancipated the White House staff, but he didn’t. Tell me more about this noble champion of human equality, hmm?Report

    1. The White House had no slaves of its own by the 1820s, though hundreds had worked on the building’s construction itself. Incoming presidents were expected to pay for their own household which, for most, though not JQA, included slaves. It is likely (though not confirmed) that slaves did work in the White House during JQA’s presidency, but they were included within his niece-by-marriage’s estate rather than his own. The claim that JQA never owned a slave seems to be true. He seems to have forced his daughter-in-law to free her slave before marrying his son as well, though that’s speculative.

      In any case, as the article addresses, it’s likely that he dismissed slavery’s presence as an ugly, unchangeable reality of politics until he returned to Washington in the 1830s. There’s some hard evidence for this — a few of his diary entries from the period discuss his previous unawareness of how revolting slavery could be.

      That said, I acknowledge the heart of your response — that he wasn’t necessarily a noble champion of human rights. But he did take a stand when he didn’t have to. And that’s worth studying.Report

      1. Expanding this more broadly, it is a bad idea to create idols or hearoes out of historical figures, not just because they inevitably have feet of clay, but that it obscures the complexity and difficulty of their choices and our own.

        We’ve all seen those fantasy time travel stories where modern people are thrust into the 1960s civil rights battles, or 1930s rise of fascism, and of course the choices are always presented as obvious and easy to make.

        But they weren’t, any more than our choices are obvious or easy to make.

        When historical figures of good will make mistakes and poor moral choices, its worth reflecting on our own choices and how we might be seen in history.Report

        1. Agreed!

          It was not my intention to valorize him excessively. But I do think one example of overcoming legislative nonsense is instructive for overcoming other forms of legislative nonsense — even now.

          I love your last sentence there.Report

      2. Oh, so once or twice he acted like the barest basic norm of a human being? That’s great. He should get a nice big cookie for that.

        “it’s likely that he dismissed slavery’s presence as an ugly, unchangeable reality of politics until he returned to Washington in the 1830s.”

        And how fortunate that he was born a white man and thus had the privilege of doing so.

        Sorry (not sorry) but I’m just not convinced that there’s something here worth emulating. “Best chunk of gristle pulled from a pile of garbage” isn’t necessarily something we should want.Report

        1. Challenging an accepted standard of a time is hard, regardless of who is doing it and what that standard is. Do you think there’s *anything* worth studying and learning from societies with very different norms? if not, is there a point to studying history other than patting ourselves on the back about how much better we are?Report

          1. “Do you think there’s *anything* worth studying and learning from societies with very different norms?”

            I think that if we’re going to hold up some guy as being The Guy We Should Look To As An Example then maybe it’s worth thinking about what response we’re likely to get from that.Report

            1. Which is an entirely fair question, but essentially anyone publicly active prior to about 1980 is going to have strikes against them. At what point does the baggage become too much to be worth learning from? If you dismiss JQA, you also have to dismiss George Washington, Tom Paine, Abigail Adams, Mary Wollstonecraft, anyone from Antiquity, etc.

              If you’re willing to do that, points for consistency, but it leads to an extremely narrow view of history and learning.Report

  2. I think there are two necessary conditions to JQ Adams’ example. First, JQ Adams was relatively non-partisan in the sense that he was not a party man, sharing a trait of independence valued by Whigs generally. Northern Democrats were more willing to support repeal of the gag rule as a point of conscience as it wasn’t draped in over partisan policies. Second, the Southern Democrats overplayed their hand by passing an extreme version of the gag rule in 1840. They did not know where the middle was, misunderstanding broad antipathy to abolitionism for support of restrictions on the Constitutional right to petition the government.Report

    1. Yes, that’s good context!

      I do think there are a few individuals who would meet the “not a party man” requirement in the contemporary sense. For example, love him or hate him, Chip Roy does what Chip Roy believes is right regardless of the optics or the political consequences. Some of the concessions he managed to get are testament to that, it seems.

      And neither party today really understands where the median voter is…on a whole host of issues.Report

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