The Red Wave That Wasn’t
The votes are still being counted from Tuesday’s midterm elections, but it is already clear that the results were an unmitigated disaster for Republicans. The GOP seems to have taken very favorable conditions and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
It’s entirely possible that Republicans will still gain control of the House and Senate, but that is by no means certain. If the GOP does eke out control of Congress, it will be by the skin of their teeth rather than by a wave.
As I write this, projections look very close to my prediction from last week. Democrats appear to have picked up the Pennsylvania senate seat despite John Fetterman’s disabilities and Raphael Warnock leads in Georgia but will most likely not evade a runoff. Democrats Mark Kelly and Maggie Hassan retain their seats in Arizona and New Hampshire respectively. Republican Adam Laxalt will likely flip Nevada’s open senate seat to red. It looks as though control of the Senate will hinge on Georgia.
Republicans have a better shot at flipping the House, but the margin looks to be thin. FiveThirtyEight reports that several House districts projected to go to Republicans were retained by the Democrats, and, in a delicious development, Lauren Boebert currently trails her Democrat challenger, Adam Frisch, in Colorado’s third district.
The bloodletting doesn’t stop there. Democrats have flipped two gubernatorial seats in Massachusetts and Maryland while retaining governorships in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. In Arizona, Trumpist Republican Kari Lake trails in a race that is still undecided. Lake is preemptively casting suspicion on the validity of the election.
There are also reports that Democrats have flipped the state legislatures in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Democrats haven’t controlled Michigan’s legislature for almost 40 years.
Democrats can credit their victory to two things. The first is the Dobbs decision and the second is Donald Trump. Contrary to the conventional wisdom from last summer, abortion does not seem to have been baked into the cake. There was a definite shift in momentum after the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade in June.
Donald Trump also bears a lot of the blame. Mr. Trump endorsed a great many of the candidates who lost Tuesday night and his influence has pulled the GOP in a more radical direction. However much voters hate inflation, they hate crazy more.
Trump was on the verge of announcing a presidential run before Tuesday. It will be interesting to see whether he reconsiders those plans in the wake of the Republican collapse.
It will also be interesting to see whether the midterm disaster finally leads Republicans to break with Donald Trump. The Former Guy’s fingerprints are all over Tuesday’s losses and it will be difficult to deny his culpability. Don’t look for a buck-stops-here moment from Trump, however. It is more likely that the former president will fall back on claims of fraud.
For their part, Democrats should not labor under the illusion that their salvation was an endorsement of progressive policies with the exception of legal abortion. This was the Republicans’ election to lose and the Republicans lost it. Democrats now have some time to recover the economy before 2024. They should make the most of it and tack towards the center with Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, who may have saved Democrats from themselves.
Tuesday night was not a ringing endorsement of either party. It was a status quo election and a repudiation of Trumpism. Both parties need to realize voters don’t like either extreme.
Results are still coming in, but the midterm results were better for Democrats than most could have imagined. Republicans in particular need to have a moment of introspection and go back to the drawing board.
Well I’m happy with this evaluation and result.Report
Republicans barely retaking the House with Trumpists being overrepresented among the losers might be the best possible outcome. Republican control over one house prevents Democrats from having a free-for-all with the economic seed corn, while failing to capitalize on the way Democrats have embarrassed themselves over the first two years of the Biden administration may be the wake-up call Republicans need.
Or maybe primary voters will take exactly the wrong lesson from this. They’re not smart people.Report
“Or maybe primary voters will take exactly the wrong lesson from this. They’re not smart people.”
Are primary voters different than other voters?
Otherwise, I largely agree with your assessment.Report
Voting in a primary is like going to a candy shop. Even the smartest person forgets consequences and grabs for too much.Report
Are primary voters different than other voters?
Yes, they’re more motivated. Primaries magnify the power of various special interest groups, everything from pro-life to unions to Trumpists.
This combines poorly with gerrymandering. If both candidates are Right then it becomes useful to be more Right.Report
Primary voters are probably smarter than general election voters on average, but that’s a low bar.
That’s the problem with democracy. Not one voter in twenty has the critical thinking skills and knowledge necessary to even begin thinking intelligently about how to vote.Report
Most voters have those skills – what they don’t have is the time to dive in deeply in issues and candidate perspectives and records. Since they live actual lives and all.
So they use heuristics where they can and media summaries where they can’t. The media no longer exists to actually serve thinking people. Which isn’t the biters fault at all.Report
I think Republicans are a bit in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t position regarding Trump. He still has the power of a kingmaker within the Republican Party but this turns off lots of other people. Florida is now officially a red state, not a purple one but DeSantis is not going to take his schtick from the state and be appealing in many other places except other deep red states.
The Democrats did very well in state house elections in the Upper Midwest and PA. Beasley lost but the Democrats gained house seats in North Carolina. There is a smallish but not miniscule chance that Colorado’s house delegation is completely Democratic including the potential defeat of Bobert.
IMO, the best hope for someone not named Trump to be the 2024 nominee for the Republican Party is him dying or becoming incapacitated. He is almost certainly going to announce he is running.Report
I can’t remember where I saw this but the entire mechanism to help Trump seal the deal in 2024 via hook and crook has pretty much gone down in flames. Election denialists are losing most, if not all, races where they could put their thumb on the scale for Trump in key states. Nevada may be the one bright spot for Republicans but it is too early to tell.Report
Is this your way of telling us that you misread the “threat” and the support those candidates had? And that I was right?Report
If Saul misread it, so did a lot of people, including those particular candidates.Report
You mean the nutty ones who failed? They misread things? And Saul did no better? Huh.Report
They were the nominees of their party. They, in many cases had the support of large PACs, conservative pundits, conservative media and even the tacit support of Mainstream Media who generally refused to call them on it. They had both independent and partisan poling data backing them. They weren’t “the nutty ones.”Report
Winning a primary for Secretary of State doesn’t remove you from the nutty list.Report
That nutty list includes the maybe loosing candidate for AZ governor, candidates for governor, secretary of state and attorney general in Michigan; governor and Senate in Pennsylvania; Senate in New Hampshire and Wisconsin; and secretary of state in Minnesota and New Mexico. Interestingly, the “nutty candidates” won the races for the Senate in Ohio and Wisconsin, as well as attorney general in Florida and Ohio. These were prominent folks, their party nominees and supported by deep pocketed and dark money PACs.
I also don’t recall you – or many of the conservative regulars around here – calling them nutty before they lost.Report
I have pointed out that most of the people your side has labelled “deniers” in fact said something vague to get past the question. I already criticized the Secretary of State candidates who were really deniers.Report
Doug Mastriano denied the election. Kari Lake denied the election. Dr. Oz denied the election. Lake even went so far as to say she would jail Katie Hobbs over 2020 were Lake elected. Ron Johnson denied the election.Report
Is it a question that deserves a vague answer? It’s really just asking someone to state a fact.Report
How you know for sure that your state has become solidly blue… Colorado Republicans nominated both nutty and non-nutty candidates for major statewide positions this year. They all lost by similar double-digit percentage points. 56-58% of the voters are just going down the ballot and marking the (D) candidate.Report
Disappointment? Sure. Unmitigated disaster? That’s a bit much.
Regardless of margins, expected or otherwise, the Dems losing the House certainly is going to take their agenda off the table for the next 2 years. The Rs were never going to get legislation passed even if they took over both chambers. I get the relief of Dems today, but the euphoria in some circles is a bit baffling. They are still kind of screwed. Dems could barely get anything across the finish line as it was. How did this midterm help them outside of establishing incumbents for the next cycle?
It’s weird, the two places I focus most of my attention are New York and Florida, and they most definitely had a red wave.Report
This — losing the House is bad and it was going to take next to nothing for that to happen. The Senate coming down to a one-race runoff between two flawed candidates (I think Walker is way more flawed than Warnock but I’m biased) is cutting the margin down with a surgical razor to again rely on VP Harris as the potential tiebreaker. That’s not a victory for Democrats. It is, at best, a much more moderate loss than had been feared.Report
I hear you but I think this is the wrong way to look at it. Our entire system of government is arrayed against massive policy change but also against political permanence. The only recent context where the party of the administration didn’t suffer losses was 9/11, and even with Dobbs, nothing on that level has occurred. I think we’d all be better off making some peace with that. Every election is not going to be a landslide and certainly not one in any party’s favor.
As for the Senate this could actually be really important. If the Democrats hold on they will be able to continue confirming federal judges without any Republican support and appointing officials to run various federal posts for the rest of Biden’s term. In context that’s a win, and a win against the historical odds.Report
Okay counselor. State your case. How is Warnock flawed? What does he have in his past that is even close to anything that has been alleged or proven at Walker. He is a perfectly reasonable Democratic Senator from a purple state.
The Senate could still be in Democratic hands. We won’t know until December perhaps.
The other way to look at this is that the a lot of things in 2022 indicated that it should be a very good year for the Republicans but they could not help themselves and nominated deeply flawed candidates and went for extremism that the public rejected despite largely being down on Biden.*
*I don’t buy the theory that the Democrats helped try to nominate more extreme candidates. Those primary ads were warnings. They were negative ads.
If this is the best Republicans can do in 2022 with gerrymandering (NC is now evenly split in its House delegation despite gerrymandering). It does not bode well.Report
Warnock has the same flaws as Harris, actually: almost no range beyond prepared remarks, and can only rarely land a punch. And while it speaks well of him as a man, there may be some things he’s simply too decent to let be done, like questioning his opponent’s mental abilities in light of what seems like pretty obvious CTE left over from sports injuries.
Much less important to me, but places he has weaknesses: his left flank doesn’t like him doing deals with the likes of Tommy Tuberville or Ted Cruz, although that’s something I’m sanguine about (you don’t always get to do business with nice people). Also I’m sanguine about accusations of bad conduct from his ex-wife, as they seem to have arisen during a custody dispute, but not everyone understands to be skeptical of such matters.
As I say, “Walker is way more flawed than Warnock” but if control of the Senate is at stake, expect the noise machine to go nuts, and I fear he won’t fight back as hard as he ought (specifically on questioning Walker’s mental abilities). Walker has already been hit as hard as possible on the abortion thing and based on getting functionally half the vote, so clearly Republicans don’t care.Report
Okay. He is potentially not a super-great politician and his inherent decency can be a setback at times. I don’t see these as flaws per se in the same way that Walker is a flawed person in a vastly different way. Warnock is a politician doing what a politician does and the left flank does not have enough power in Georgia to make a big deal of Warnock being the 18th or something most bipartisan SenatorReport
Senator Warnock is also a patient of king standing and while he is thus capable of building a crowd to a crescendo – or he wouldn’t be in MLK’s pulpit – that’s not a speaking style that’s prone to quick quips and sound bites.Report
that should have read pastor of long standing. I really need to have a conversation with my iPhone autocorrect.Report
It was a pretty cool autocorrectReport
As of February of 2022, they’re still going to court for child custody issues. Reading between the lines suggests she’s trying to cut him out.
Their wiki on him running over her foot is a hoot. He called the cops right when she made that accusation and medical professionals found no bruises or anything to suggest it was real.
Warnock has serious mental issues. Not sure it matters enough to vote on.Report
Florida was already red.
New York reelected all its statewide Democrats and flipped one house seat red.
How is that a wave?Report
Not sure where you’re getting your info re NY. The Burbs went red.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/09/2022-midterm-new-york-house-elections-republican-00065919
As for Florida, Pinellas and MIAMI DADE going red (just to name 2 is significant. And the margins were staggering. Desantis & Rubio rag-dolled Christ and DemmingsReport
Having grown up on Long Island, those places trending blue is a relatively new phenomenon. Nassau County has largely always been a Republican stronghold and has been that way for decades.Report
They have not been Red for 20 years. Purple at best. The Tom Gulotta Era ended a long time ago.Report
I used to live in Pinellas County. It’s got a big, and likely growing snowbird population. Its been trending red for years as has MIami Dade. AT best they may be catching up with the rest of the state.
As to where I’m getting my NY results – https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/new-york
That shows 1 red flip currently. Not a wave.Report
Updated to note that as of this morning (10 November) there are indeed now 4 flipped House districts showing.Report
If I had a nickel every time control of the Senate came down to a Georgia runoff in the last two years, well…I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.Report
I like to think the universe gave Democrats both Kelly and Masto _just so_ my joke here didn’t actually work.Report
Teeeechnically, if they take the house and/or senate it would be a mitigated disaster.Report
Conservatives used to be skeptical of democracy, emphasizing that the country was designed to be a republic, that elites emerge and must be selected in every system, and that too much democracy would upset the balanced, mixed regime contemplated by the Constitution. Any system that selects someone like Fetterman or a tyrant like Whitmer is flawed and questionable.
The real measure of good government is not how leaders are picked, but rather who it elevates to leadership and how they govern. A system where oligarch-controlled media influences voters, where millions of new voters are let into the country to tip the scales, and where marginal people on welfare and with criminal records can vote and have the same impact as the productive and the law-abiding has a problem, which only becomes more apparent when reviewing the results.Report
What’s fascinating is that this is practically a textbook illustration of the authoritarian mind.
The first paragraph tells us that a proper republic will allow elites to emerge and lead. Then the second paragraph darkly warns of oligarchs controlling the media.
How to tell elites (good) from oligarchs (bad) is left to the reader to ponder but appears to be nothing more complicated than “people I like” versus “people I don’t like”.
Then of course, concludes with the Wilhoit principle, telling us that not all people are in fact equal, but some people are inferior and should not be allowed to vote.Report
Fox News anchor Jesse Waters is having a sad that unmarried women and women under 40 went blue and thinks getting them married will make them Republican: https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1590680637945806850?s=20&t=zh-cLjcwr-LgIFSjMHABUA
Jesse Waters had an affair that ended his first marriageReport
Kari Lake takes out the knives against Ron DeSantis: https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1590755434733875201?s=20&t=E_zeUiv_xVmCKriJTRg1vQReport
Good grief. Lake claims DeSantis is part of a conspiracy to slow roll her election results in Arizona? Even leaving aside the question of how the Governor of Florida manipulates ballot counting in Arizona, Lake has lived there for years as a news reporter. I’ve spent part of the morning explaining to people in other parts of the country that this is the normal counting speed for a western state vote by mail system, but she should know better.Report
News reader.Report
Fair criticism.Report
Clip? I found one of her mentioning DeSantis while complaining about the slow count, but nothing with an attack.Report
Not to nag, but I still can’t find the clip of this happening. Do you have one?Report
You gotta recognize the fact that this is a godless country. I hate it. It’s immoral, it’s wrong, it’s heinous, it’s evil, but this is an evil country. And this country will surprise you at how evil it is.
We need a dictatorship. We need to take control of the government and force the people to believe what we believe.Report
Who said this?Report
Someone who is close to Republican Representative Paul Gosar, Republican Representative Margorie Taylor Greene, and who has spoken at several national conservative conferences.
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1590771129681342464Report
Nick Fuentes! You’re quoting Nick Fuentes! That’s hilarious. At least now we know the answer to “Republican or troll”.Report
Yeah why quote someone who influences Republican Congresspeople.
This is what I mean by the effort to launder Republican radicalism.
We are being to to disbelieve that Nick Fuentes has influence within the Republican Party, and to ignore the evidence of our own eyes and ears.
Nick Fuentes is far more representative of Republican thought than you or any of the other Republicans here.
And I mean that as a compliment.Report
Fine, go back to quoting tweets and thinking that you’re building a case. I can’t stop you. But I can laugh at you and point out that you’re completely misreading your opponents. I mean, Nick Fuentes. From anyone else, I’d say that they’d stopped trying, but I think you’re serious. It’s like I’m trying to think of the equivalent to Nick Fuentes on your side, and I’ve got a midpoint between Cenk Uygur, the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi, and…you, if you think Nick Fuentes is an influential Republican. If there’s anything left in you that can listen to an opponent, I’m telling you, this is more absurd than anything from that troll who posts here all the time.Report
Give me the criteria of who counts as an influential Republican.
Preferably a definition that excludes Nick Fuentes but somehow includes Republican Representative Paul Gosar.
See, part of your disbelief is that you don’t know anyone like Fuentes and none of your friends do either.
But you almost certainly know people who would vote for a Gosar, Greene, or Boebert rather than vote for any Democrat.
Maybe they tell themselves it’s for judges or tax cuts or abortion or whatever, but they are elevating people into power who listen and nod with Nick Fuentes all the same.Report
The theory that this was due to the youth vote is now being disputed:
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There’s a perception that post-election polling is more accurate than the polling leading up to a race. It doesn’t have the weakness of people changing their minds, but then again pre-election polling never claims to avoid that anyway. Data at election stations can be more accurate, but still you’re making assumptions on weighting. And showing up at the polling place is going the way of landlines.Report
Eh. These things take months to tell and I’ve seen contrary reports. Exit polls are not that greatReport
Here is a slightly different take. Not sure whether its backed up with any voter data, so time will tell if there’s anything to it. I will also of course cop that it rhymes with some of my priors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/opinion/republicans-midterms-workers-populists.html
What sort of national vision did the Republican Party offer working Americans in 2022?
It’s hard to say, really. The best I can come up with is something like this: Hand us the keys to government, but don’t expect us to give you anything in return. And in that indifference lies the central problem bedeviling Republicans up and down the ballot.
Ever since Donald Trump’s rise, there has been much talk, and some evidence, of a realignment in American politics. Breaking with longstanding G.O.P. orthodoxies on free trade, entitlements and health care, Mr. Trump coaxed huge numbers of white voters without college degrees away from the Democrats. Once in office, he delivered on tariffs. But other pieces of his populist agenda fell away, as his aides forged ahead with the old Chamber of Commerce conservatism (tax cuts, deregulation and a profoundly anti-union labor policy).Report
This.
This entirely.
Even in the alleged “no brainer” of inflation republicans offered nothing.
They didn’t even proudly own Dobbs.Report