SCOTUS and Moore v Harper: To Be Democratic Or To Seem Democratic

Burt Likko

Pseudonymous Portlander. Pursuer of happiness. Bon vivant. Homebrewer. Atheist. Recovering Republican. Recovering Catholic. Recovering divorcé. Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of Ordinary Times. Relapsed Lawyer, admitted to practice law (under his real name) in California and Oregon. There's a Twitter account at @burtlikko, but not used for posting on the general feed anymore. House Likko's Words: Scite Verum. Colite Iusticia. Vivere Con Gaudium.

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  1. InMD says:

    We had a sort of parallel case here in Maryland except the Democrats are the bad guys. A state court held that the gerrymander violated the state constitution. The larger context involved an independent commission drafting districts which was then disregarded by the legislature for the wildest map in decades of wild maps. Ultimately a compromise map was accepted by the judge, though it did delay the state primaries until July which had its own (IMO negative) political consequences. I assume if SCOTUS accepts this argument Maryland’s gerrymander will be reimposed post haste.

    Anyway on the larger issue we need to find a solution. This whole foxes guarding the henhouse theory of government should be abhorrent to everyone. My lawyer analysis tends to follow the textual argument that the federal courts don’t have a say but if that’s the case then neither should they interfere with a state’s own judiciary. Probably the only comprehensive solution involves state compacts so no one has to unilaterally disarm and referenda where possible to force the issue. Either way it’s hard for me to think of anything more un-American than this situation.Report

    • PD Shaw in reply to InMD says:

      Illinois has now gone one step further and just gerrymandered the state supreme court districts to ensure that legislative gerrymanders are protected. I think most lawyers are opposed at least to some extent because those districts (which map onto the intermediate appellate courts) are more than just voting districts, they are the courts they need to travel to and sources of influence for various appointments. I think the notion that the courts will necessarily be fair arbiters of districting is not true.Report

      • InMD in reply to PD Shaw says:

        Agreed. There is no guarantee.Report

      • Greg In Ak in reply to PD Shaw says:

        The ILL Supreme’s have separate districts?! Never knew that and it’s a terrible idea.Report

        • PD Shaw in reply to Greg In Ak says:

          I guess I assumed that was common, at least where justices are elected. Illinois has generally been more about local control and districting, and for a very long time preventing Chicago from having the representation in the legislature proportionate to its population (one-ninth of the representation of someone living in a downstate district).Report

          • Philip H in reply to PD Shaw says:

            Mississippi has a version of this:

            The court was expanded over time to a total of nine justices—one chief, two presiding, and six associate justices. Generally, the justices are elected for eight-year terms, with staggered election years, from three geographical districts (three judges per district) to ensure fair representation. However, it is common for the governor to appoint a justice to fill a seat vacated by the death or retirement of a justice. If less than half of the term remains, the appointee serves the remainder of the term. If more than half of the term remains, the appointee may serve until a special election is held. Seniority of the justices is determined by length of time in office. The chief justice is the current justice who has been in office the longest, and the presiding justices are next two in seniority.

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  2. PD Shaw says:

    I like the solution offered by William Baude and Michael McConnell in the Atlantic: In Moore v. Harper, the justices should not side with the views of either party

    Basically, all legislatures are bound by the Constitution that created them, so all their acts are subject to judicial review, but courts are not empowered to create districts (legislate) as part of their judicial review.Report

    • InMD in reply to PD Shaw says:

      I think that is the best answer. Of course the cynic in me assumes that in that moment would begin the push to amend state constitutions.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to PD Shaw says:

      In some number of states, mostly in the West, the people have reserved the power to modify the state constitution by initiative, without involved the legislature (in the sense of the elected body) at all. In Arizona v. Arizona the SCOTUS upheld the people using that power to take redistricting away from the elected legislature entirely and give it to a commission. The Court will be opening such a can of worms if they decide to overturn Arizona — most western states have some number of laws/constitutional provisions regarding federal elections and/or redistricting done by initiative.Report

      • PD Shaw in reply to Michael Cain says:

        The Illinois Constitution provides for ballot initiatives as a means of amendment. An imitative to amend the Constitution to have an independent panel conduct the districting was stopped from appearing on the 2016 ballot by the Illinois Supreme Court on a 4-3 partisan break. Supporters of the initiative targeted the only downstate Democratic Justice in 2020 when he was up for retention. He was the first S.Ct. Justice to fail a retention vote and then the legislature voted to change the state supreme court districts for the next election.Report

  3. Pinky says:

    I’m not sure why the Petitioners’ argument would be compatible with the Voting Rights Act.Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to Pinky says:

      It’s not. Or rather, it wasn’t.

      The VRA is a dead letter at this point. John Roberts’ work in that sphere is nearly complete, having been programmed to dismantle it in any way possible and executing that mission over the course of his career not unlike the Terminator searching for Sarah Connor.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Burt Likko says:

        But you said it was:

        “It’s certainly true that even under Petitioners’ theories, Congress can check state legislative power in this arena. Congress can pass laws like the (former) Voting Rights Act.”Report

        • Burt Likko in reply to Pinky says:

          Apologies, I must have been unclear about that.

          Congress *can* pass laws like the Voting Rights Act. That means Congress has the capacity to pass a law in this arena. That does not mean that it has actually done so.

          After the cases of Shelby County v. Holder (§4(b) and by logical extension §5, preclearance for historically discriminatory jurisdictions held unconstitutional as “outdated”), and Brnovich v. DNC (§2 claims of dilution of votes on racial basis to be evaluated on, effectively, a strongly deferential new standard), the two most potent provisions of the VRA are now effectively neutered. And thanks to Russo v. Common Cause, federal courts are now out of the backstopping-against-gerrymandering game, even if a political gerrymander has the practical effect of reducing the voting power of racial minorities (because black voters vote overwhelmingly Democratic, a gerrymander that reduces the voting power of Democrats but wasn’t explicitly aimed at Blacks is not a Constitutional or VRA violation).

          Congress has yet to pass any legislation moving into the voids left behind by Russo, Shelby County, and Brnovich. But even under the Petitioners’ theory, it might choose to do so.Report

          • Pinky in reply to Burt Likko says:

            But wouldn’t the Petitioners’ theory preclude Congressional decision-making? That’s the part I’m not getting. They seem to be saying that no one has any authority but the state legislatures.Report

            • DensityDuck in reply to Pinky says:

              ” They seem to be saying that no one has any authority but the state legislatures.”

              They don’t “seem to” be saying it, they’re actually saying it, and they’re saying it because it’s what’s written in the Constitution.

              And yeah, “we can change the Constitution, bro,” you’re right but we have to say we’re doing it, we can’t just administratively reinterpret an emanation from the penumbra and declare that the plain language of the document actually means something completely different Because Racism.Report

              • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck says:

                Except for the part where “the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.” Where there is indeed a federal oversight idea prescribed since the federal Constitution gives the federal Congress this power.Report

              • DavidTC in reply to DensityDuck says:

                Let’s look at this for a second and how nonsensical the theory is:

                Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress

                When it says that ‘Legislatures’ have a right to do that, who decides which one? Because I seem to recall that in _most_ states, the process is that there are _two_ legislatures and they both decide on something and then it is signed into law by a governor. (And in fact this was true of all states at the time that was written.)

                Do they both get together and vote as one body? What does ‘the Legislature’ deciding something mean?

                And heck, how we decide the outcome? Last I checked, ‘things are decided by majority vote’ is also a process provided by state constitutions, and hence doesn’t apply in this operator of ‘pure state Legislature without reference to anything else’ that the US constitution supposedly creates!

                How does ‘the Legislature’, absent the state constitutional framework that explains how both sides work with each other and passes laws, do _anything_?

                And if you accept that the state constitution is involved, then ‘the Legislature’ must include the governor, a normally vital part of passing laws, and certainly one back then even if some states have neutered them since.

                And at that point the entire premise falls apart.

                There is no way to interpret ‘Legislatures therefor may direct’ where Legislature means ‘the actual elected people to the office’ instead of ‘the process by which a state has set itself up to create laws’. Because if it’s just the people, outside of a state constitutional framework, they have no way to direct anything!Report

              • DavidTC in reply to DavidTC says:

                Because if it’s just the people, outside of a state constitutional framework, they have no way to direct anything!

                In fact, it’s worth expanding on just that, because that clause doesn’t say ‘The Legislature appoints’, the clause says ‘The Legislature _directs the State_ to appoint’.

                It’s really difficult to figure out how some collection of people have the right to direct a state to do _anything_ absent that right being enumerated under the state constitution.

                Which of course ‘the Legislative’ (In this theoretical meaning of ‘the literal people elected to office’) does not have. Those people have a right to sit down in respective chambers, joining a body empowered under the state constitution, and follow a state constitutional process for creating laws, which involves other people and delegation of power and all sorts of things, and that is the only way they have a right to direct the state to do anything.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to DavidTC says:

                “When it says that ‘Legislatures’ have a right to do that, who decides which one?”

                the…state?

                which it…says in the Constitution?

                I don’t understand why you’re spazzing about this. The document is not actually unclear. If you’re really that upset about the idea that choosing electors is a legislative function but not a lawmaking one, then go back in time two hundred fifty years and take it up with Ben Franklin.Report

              • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck says:

                If you’re really that upset about the idea that choosing electors is a legislative function but not a lawmaking one, then go back in time two hundred fifty years and take it up with Ben Franklin.

                Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, …

                The language clearly says the legislature directs, not the legislature chooses. So if Joe Biend wins enough votes in a state to gain reelection under the state’s laws, the legislature has DIRECTED how that selection is to be carried out. The Constitution doesn’t say the Legislatures get a choice.
                Legislatures direct by passing laws, not by screaming form the rooftops. And lest you forget, that direction is modified by:

                the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

                Which makes it plain that if the legislatures do untoward things, the federal Congress is allowed (and perhaps even obligated) to step in and change the laws. Not chose the winners and losers.Report

            • PD Shaw in reply to Pinky says:

              No, the Petitioner’s theory doesn’t implicate any Congressional law. As Philip points out the Constitution expressly authorizes Congressional law in this area. The North Carolina Supreme Court did not invalidate the map based upon federal law, so it’s not at issue.

              However, the North Carolina courts arguably ignored Congressional law, which prescribes the outcome when a state has not “redistricted in the manner provided by the law thereof.” There is a menu of options (2 U.S.C. 2a) and where as here North Carolina gained a seat, federal law requires the election to be held based upon the previous lawful districting, plus one at large seat. Petitioners never reach this point because they dispute that the maps were properly held invalid by “the law” of the State legislature.Report

  4. Patrick says:

    “Well. I mean. That ends it right there, doesn’t it? It’s not a close call, as I see it. So why is the U.S. Supreme Court hearing this at all?”

    “Because the Court is now pretty much just an explicit political body?” is probably the most obvious answer.

    Nice post, Burt!Report

  5. Saul Degraw says:

    There is a big question about whether cooler heads will prevail. Every now and then, the reactionary 6 can decide that something is a bridge too far and would destroy its legitimacy. Or that a Trumpian judge or Court of Appeals went too far. There does not seem to be rhyme or reason as to when the Supreme Court makes this decision. Last years prime example is when Kavanaugh and Roberts joined with the liberals to smack down Trump judges trying to take over the chain of command of command and the judge in Texas that tried to make himself the sole head of DHS.

    This might not be one of those cases even though there are lots of conservatives out there who realize Harper v. Moore would be a very bad thing if the Supremes decide to endorse the theory.Report

  6. North says:

    Great analysis Burt, clear, readable and with a lemon fresh scent too!Report

  7. Chip Daniels says:

    If there’s already 3 votes in favor, with a likely 4th, then it almost doesn’t matter.

    Because if representative democracy for a nation of 330,000,000 people is hanging by the whim of a single person, and only because the political party that represents about 40% of the electorate is demanding an end to representative democracy, then the handwriting is on the wall.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      OK, this is off-topic, but I don’t have time to respond to this, and anyway I’ve been getting boring. So, if you understand your opponents’ thinking as well as you insist you do (and there’s plenty of documentation of my various ramblings), how would I reply to this?Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

        Go argue with the people on your side of the aisle, who are making every effort to prove my point.

        Start with Micheal Anton of the Claremont Institute, who wrote the Flight 93 manifesto.
        Or the crew at the Federalist who argue that the parents of trans kids should be jailed, or anyone who cheered the DeSantis immigrant cruelty, or the large majorities of Republicans who refuse to accept the results of the 2020 elections.

        These people all agree with me that representative democracy is incompatible with the Republican party’s goals.Report

  8. Note that the U.S. Supreme Court does NOT get to decide this; the state supreme court is the final authority on questions regarding that state’s law.

    Bush vs. Gore was an exception, because of the overriding legal principle that the wrong guy might have won.Report

  9. Jaybird says:

    The stuff I need to say first:

    I very much like the idea of repealing the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 as well as the Apportionment Act of 1911.

    If we went with the “Wyoming Rule”, (a rule that said that the smallest populated state would get one and that state’s population would be the unit of representation), we’d have something like 550 Congressmen now.

    If we instead went with something like “what was the Congressman/Constituent ratio back in 1910?”, we get an even bigger number. If we go with something INSANE like “what was the Congressman/Constituent ratio back in 1780?”, we’ve got four digits.

    The upside, however, to that last one is that the tactic gerrymandering is destroyed (and not merely John Oliver destroyed).

    Okay. That ain’t gonna happen. I appreciate that.

    So what’s left?

    I am a fan of figuring out something like a “neighborhood”. Think about your city. We have “the Broadmoor”, we have “downtown”, we have “Rockrimmon”, and so on. Sure, maybe we will get into arguments over whether the flip switches at this street or the next one over, but that’s less important than knowing that this zone is this one and that zone is that one.

    States are somewhat similar.

    Instead of streets, they have counties. Use the county lines as the borders. If you’ve got a county with three colors in it? That is an *IMMEDIATE* shenanigan.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird says:

      The least gameable way to draw district borders is to make it an optimization problem. Just find the districting map that divides the state into n districts of equal population with the minimum total border length.

      If you want, you can add an additional constraint that the district borders must overlap zip code or county borders or whatever, but the secret ingredient is removing human discretion.

      This sounds like it might be NP-hard, so you can make it a contest. Put out a request for map proposals, and whichever map has district borders summing to the shortest total length wins.

      The real problem, of course, is that this plan has to be passed into law by a legislature with the means and motive to draw borders favoring them.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Brandon Berg says:

        I think that the Supreme Court has officially ruled that that is supposed to be a secondary or tertiary consideration.

        Equal population, I mean.

        I think I kind of agree? I am more than willing to bet that “downtown” has more people than “Rockrimmon” and “Broadmoor” has fewer than either. But, lemme tell ya, those areas have distinct interests.Report

        • Burt Likko in reply to Jaybird says:

          What Brandon refers to is, I think, one way of defining the property of a district PD Shaw refers to as “compactness.” To my understanding, Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964), makes equal population between electoral districts the primary and overriding mapmaking principle.Report

    • KenB in reply to Jaybird says:

      I seem to recall we had a good discussion here a number of years ago re ideas for how best to handle districting… I tried googling based on a few scattered memories but didn’t come up with anything. Might’ve been on one of the sub-blogs. Anyone remember?

      Anyway, IMO it’s one of many areas where the first step for the discussion should be to agree on what the goals are (or try to) before moving to solutioning.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to KenB says:

        the first step for the discussion should be to agree on what the goals are (or try to) before moving to solutioning.

        Plausibly provide a “fair” map while ensuring political dominance for my side.

        My own prejudices are that I prefer districts that look like they have a center. Like, would it be easy to make a cookie that looked like a district? Heck yeah, then that’s a district that I like.

        If the district looks like somebody had a very productive sneeze, it’s a district that I do not like.Report

        • KenB in reply to Jaybird says:

          Obviously your first sentence there captures the reason for most of the disagreement, but that ain’t going anywhere.

          In this digital age, should we even care about the topography? I mean, i guess there are some practical considerations regarding where offices are located, but as far as the goal of representing different populations is concerned, seems like we’re just as likely to be connected with people virtually as physically.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

          The communities along a river could have more in common than some nearer-by farm towns.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

            If you can point to the river and say “the river defines the middle of this district”, then I’d be cool with that too.

            But we’re stuck instead with the stuff that we have rather than the stuff that we’d theoretically be okay with.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to KenB says:

        (Was it this one? Maybe it was this one?)Report

        • KenB in reply to Jaybird says:

          Thanks, neither of those were what I had in mind (I was thinking of one where I’d made a suggestion, which is why I remembered it in particular — it’s probably more like 2012), but of course this is a topic that would naturally have been discussed numerous times in this blog’s history.Report

      • PD Shaw in reply to KenB says:

        As I see it, the complaints about redistricting maps are mostly not about traditional concerns over (1) compactness. There are usually two other issues. People want (2) competitive races so that they have choices on the ballot. The advocates behind the unsuccessful challenge to Wisconsin’s redistricting wanted (3) efficiency, in that they wanted the overall results in a statue to approximate the results if there were no districts (i.e. if 55% of state voters voted for a Republican legislator, only approximately 55% of the districts should produce Republican legislators).

        I see all three of those in tension with each other, and where partisan distribution is not random, but in the case of Democrats concentrated in large cities, there is probably no way to get (2) or (3) with compact districts. There is probably no way to get both (2) or (3) without severely contorted districting.Report

        • InMD in reply to PD Shaw says:

          This may be just from my own personal experience of watching this play out with Maryland but I don’t think it’s so impossible. I also don’t think it’s inherently illegitimate to end up with lesser competitive districts. For example there is no possible districting that results in Republicans being competitive in my district, absent some major changes in the Republican party, and that’s ok. What didn’t make sense was that for years I, living in a close-in DC suburb, shared a district with my cousin who lives over an hour away in a totally different region. You also had a situation where Baltimore City was split between 3 separate districts.

          The independent commission we had actually did what I thought was quite a good job in following basic principles of (i) trying not to break up distinct regions (ii) trying not to break up distinct sub-state political entities, which here boils down to counties and Baltimore City, (iii) basic parity of populations per district, and (iv) no jumping the Chesapeake Bay. Under this result there would only be 1-2 competitive districts but I think you’d be hard pressed to say anyone was being disenfranchised by it, or that the outcome was rigged by the map.Report

          • PD Shaw in reply to InMD says:

            Your state looks like a Gerrymander. Just for curiosity, are the basic principles set forth in legislation or did the independent commission program its own instructions? From a small “D” democratic perspective I don’t like the North Carolina courts taking vague principles to make law, and probably don’t think independent commissions should be making those decisions either.Report

          • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

            “I also don’t think it’s inherently illegitimate to end up with lesser competitive districts.”

            It’d be reasonable to expect this, both as a cause and an effect. People who have similar lives might see the world similarly. And on the level of state or local government, you’d expect to see people being attracted to areas with their preferred policies.Report

        • KenB in reply to PD Shaw says:

          Even tougher when there’s a demand to simultaneously account for desired proportional distributions across other characteristics besides party registration, e.g. race/ethnicity.Report

          • PD Shaw in reply to KenB says:

            Yeah, I might add another factor which is the degree of localization. The reason Congress passed a law mandating single-member districts for Congressional Representatives was to promote representation of localized minorities. This almost certainly meant African-Americans in the Southern black belt and in Northern cities, but would have benefitted other local groups. Getting rid of single-member districts and replacing them with multi-member districts or statewide races would make the results more majoritarian.Report

        • Burt Likko in reply to PD Shaw says:

          This is absolutely correct and distills into a few sentences some really advanced thinking about legislative mapmaking.

          For myself, I would prioritize, within the mandate that all districts must have roughly equal population (not numbers of registered voters), efficiency 45%, competitiveness 40%, compactness 15%. But YMMV.

          There are at least three open-source platforms that will allow you, an ordinary user, to draw precinct-by-precinct or block-by-block maps. As far as I know, they all tap directly into publicly-available databases of the amalgamated local election officials and the U.S. Census. They can be found at https://www.districtbuilder.org/, https://districtr.org/, and http://autoredistrict.org/. This was originally available on a proprietary basis as early as in the wake of the 2000 census, but now you can have it on your desktop for free. If you want to really geek out about this, go play with one of those for a while and compare your work product to what your state actually did. Technology is pretty damn amazing sometimes.Report

          • InMD in reply to Burt Likko says:

            Serious question though- doesn’t giving 40% to competitiveness also create its own incentive to gerrymander some really bizarre districts? Like I strongly encourage you to take a look at the horror show of the old Maryland map in that post article. The basic concept was to saturate out rural areas by connecting them with tendrils to the urban center. However there’s no reason this couldn’t be done in reverse. It seems to me like what we really want is people vying for the support of the median voter in a coherent district (which may at times still produce really partisan results, but hopefully fewer of them writ large), not close elections just for the sake of close elections.Report

            • Marchmaine in reply to InMD says:

              [Insert my ancient link to the old 538 map builder here]

              I’m not sure that ‘incentive’ is the right word here… it would create a rule that would make a purely “Compact” map (a’la BB above) have to account for another variable and would probably make it less compact.

              But, without the “Competitiveness” as a rule, we can 99% guaranty that the result will be safe districts for both sides… just apportioned in some sort of defensible way according to the ‘0 year proportions.

              I do, however, take your point that making “Competitive” a rule that the data people have to account for *is* a political decision… I just think it’s a better political decision than Safe Districts.

              If we want to really embrace Proportionality, I’m good with that too… but then we’re moving away from single member districts – because the proportionality has to be fluid and not baked into the zip-code.

              But yeah… all prudential political decisions. I could live with Burt’s formulation, could also flip Compact/Efficiency if preferred… but I’m personally going to vote/advocate for competitive districts as a factor.Report

            • Burt Likko in reply to InMD says:

              Absolutely it could lead to that result.

              To me, the objective is to create a legislature made up of mostly legislators who think their job is to represent the will of the people as a whole. Which means they need to feel like they’re vulnerable if they do something unpopular, and more secure if they do things that are popular. And critically, it needs to DISincentivize “only do things that appeal to your own partisan base” and to PRO-incentivize “do things that reach out to the other side from time to time.”

              Which means that yes, I’m possibly creating a deliberative body of people like Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski. Frustrating as it might be, I think these types of legislators are the ones closest to what the “median voter” wants and thinks. And yes, a decent number of them will come from decidedly wonky-looking districts.

              It’s all trade-offs. If I had my way, these are the trade-offs I’d make and why. As I say, YMMV. I see the argument for compactness: compact districting gets specific communities specifically represented.Report

              • InMD in reply to Burt Likko says:

                Well I’m in agreement with your outcome. And I do think that the result of successful reform on this front would result in a lot more of the kinds of Senators you’re listing, not the kind hardcore partisans would prefer.

                I’m just also not sure that we are getting those results necessarily because the jurisdictions are competitive. I mean, the go to example of Manchin actually comes from a really uncompetitive jurisdiction. He just happens to have a unique way of relating to his constituency. Now my hope is that compactness would result in more of a Manchin-like incentive to compromise (or just run heterodox candidates) to put a constituency in play. I worry that if we do competition at the expense of that it’s still getting the same kind of hard partisans, just from a different process. And while I also agree with you in principle that we would benefit from a more broad minded kind of legislator we also want them to be able to bring the interests of their constituents to the table.Report

  10. Brent F says:

    Foreigner take on a small part of this.

    Your courts should get over whatever bug crawled up their butts about issuing advisory opinions. They’re great ways of providing guidance to governments on what is and isn’t legal and avoid so much time and grief in the judicial process waiting on a lawsuit to bring the issue forward.Report

    • InMD in reply to Brent F says:

      It isn’t a bug, it’s the case and controversy requirement of the Constitution. It would also create a major separation of powers issue in our system.Report