Sunday Morning! “Severance”

Rufus F.

Rufus is a likeable curmudgeon. He has a PhD in History, sang for a decade in a punk band, and recently moved to NYC after nearly two decades in Canada. He wrote the book "The Paris Bureau" from Dio Press (2021).

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  1. LeeEsq says:

    I recently finished the Japanese novel Lady Joker, Volume 1 (Volume 2 comes out in October) by Kaoru Takamura. It is one of those novels that straddle the line between literary and genre fiction. It is ostensibly about the kidnapping of the CEO of Japanese beer corporation by five men but each five men represent people on the margins of Japanese society in one way or another. You have the maternal grandfather of a promising young man who killed himself because he was denied a job because of burakumin on his father’s side, a Zainichi Korean, a truck driver with a disabled daughter, etc. The novel is also written in a very panoramic style, reviews explicitly say it reads like a 19th century realist novel, where Ms. Takamura describes the relevant scenes like corporate meetings in vivid detail. It is pretty great.Report

  2. LeeEsq says:

    One thing that I haven’t read but noticed as a small but definite genre of fiction are a bunch of novels dealing with young women in Ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities who seek to gain liberation into the wider secular world rather than the narrow and I guess patriarchal world of Ultra-Orthodox Judaism. This genre is interesting to me as a Jew because it seems to conflict with the sort of Hijab fetishism that exists among the Intersectional set of liberals. On the Alameda County Building in Oakland they have photos of the different communities to celebrate the diversity of Alameda County. One of the photos are two Muslim woman in burkas and hijabs with a young boy.

    That traditionalist Muslim communities are celebrated as part of diversity while traditionalist Jewish communities are seen as regressive things to be destroyed is rather disturbing to me even though I’m far from the most observant Jew. My only guess as to why hijab fetishism is a thing but the Halachic modesty codes are derided is that Jews read as white and many Non-Jewish women see Jewish women in Ultra-Orthodox communities as more oppressed than women in traditional Muslim communities because of this. A novel about a young woman in a traditional and strict Muslim community seeking liberation, especially if written by a non-Muslim, would be targeted as Islamophobic.

    You can’t have it both ways. If the Jewish modesty laws are bad than so are the Muslims modesty laws because they have the same reasons behind them. If traditional Muslim communities are to be celebrated as part of diversity than so should Ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to LeeEsq says:

      Well, my girlfriend’s Jewish, but I’m more Jewesque, being often taken for Jewish. So, I’ve no particular opinions on this. At least, no informed opinions.

      I will say the “hijab fetishism” might have been a response to the weird stridently-anti-Muslim-but-nominally-“secularist”-vibe that went around some corners of the left for about a decade or so. We used to get people here, oh, about ten years ago, who’d rant and rave about how we weren’t sufficiently critical of the “so-called ‘religion of peace’!” They all seem to have moved on to other concerns or otherwise evaporated, however. I sort of wondered if the horrific attack on Salman Rushdie would provoke a revival, but that doesn’t seem to have happened, even on Twitter. So, people might have been celebrating the hijab to wind those people up, in the same way it’s tempting to list your pronouns and watch them go nuts.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

        I agree about the source of hijab fetishism. My main point is that I’ve been thinking about how a lot of the Intersectional Left relates to Jews, Jewishness, and Judaism. I’m not entirely pleased with this to say it mildly. The best thing I can say is that Jews really confuse their basic cosmology, so they choose not to deal with us as much as possible.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to LeeEsq says:

      I think it is also because a lot of reporters, including female reporters, come from the less Orthodox/traditional sections of Judaism, and said people feel more free to criticize the traditionalists in the tribe than outside it.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        I disagree with this. Non-Jews have no problems voicing their opinions on the traditionalist Jewish communities because they perceive them as white and therefore open to criticism while Muslim critics of traditional Muslim communities are denounced as collaborators with the Islamophobes.Report

    • Slade the Leveller in reply to LeeEsq says:

      They’re all bad. This is the 21st century.Report

  3. Jaybird says:

    I can’t help but ask: Why couldn’t this be a movie? Aside from economic reasons, of course, why is this an 8-hour series, instead of telling its story in 1-2 hours?

    I think that a lot of this has to do with the whole “parasocial” thing. While it’s true that the plot could probably be hammered out in 2 hours, the reason you’re here with these people is that you like them.

    The point isn’t the story (though the story is also there). The point is that you’re spending time with these people that you like. Watching them achieve tiny victories, agonizing with them as they experience tiny failures, and thinking about how well you’d fit in.

    It’s almost nice. Paranice.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to Jaybird says:

      It’s this weird thing now where people have a lot of spare time to kill (which is nice!) while also complaining frequently that they have no spare time to kill.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Rufus F. says:

        A few years back, I did this thing where I said “I’m just going to start to go to bed at 10. I don’t care if my brain says ‘but I haven’t had fun yet!’ Fine. You don’t get to have fun. We aren’t going to crowbar ‘fun’ in at the expense of going to bed at 10.”

        And I started going to bed at 10.

        AND HOLY COW IT WAS AMAZING.

        I think that it’s easy to forget that stuff like recreation and relaxation and whatnot are by-products rather than purchasable in and of themselves.

        Maybe the joys of creating envy can be found in the purchasables.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    I did not like Severance. The series would have been much better as a mini-series where the creators were told “You have 12-16 episodes. That is it. We expect the series to have a start, a middle, and a finish.” This is not the American way of doing television though. The Brits are masters of doing TV in the mini/limited series way though. I guess American TV has so much money out there that people want it to be a perpetual motion machine for everyone as much as possible.

    From a design/aesthetic standpoint, I found it confusing that the “outer” world is some variant of today with cell phones/etc/ but the “inner work” world was set back in time in a very mid-century modern corporate environment with computers that look like they came from 1985 or so. The office itself looked like it was from the 1960s when such a place would have looked sleek and modern.

    Thematically, I thought the series wanted to be too much and just had mysteries but it did not know how to reveal explanations. Possibly because of the angling for a second season (see first point). Also the series suffers from the same issues of alienation of labor/BS jobs that Dan Graeber suffered from. It takes a gem of a good idea but then ruins it by running the gem through the author/creators own prejudice and snobbery. Graeber’s anarcho-bohemian-leftism leaves him blind to the idea that people could honestly find that their white collar tech/finance/business jobs produce positive change in the world. He also does not seem capable of understanding that there are finance nerds just like there are theatre kids.
    Likewise, the creators have the same issue with office/white-collar work, they just have things that they would rather be doing otherwise that it is inconceivable to them that someone could find social utility in office work.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      The British do short series because most of their scripts are produced by one person rather than a committee of writers. When you have one person doing the writing, you get limitations on how many episodes are possible. Multiple script writers, even if it is only one to three people per actual episode script, makes longer series possible.

      Streaming also effects things. Streaming series favors cliff hangers to get people to watch the next episode and you always need an next opposed. Anime commentator Bennet the Sage made the good argument that the live action Cowboy Bebop didn’t work because of the need for cliff hangers in work that had a very definite ending. British streaming series might have the same issue with the need for cliff hangers.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      These are all fair criticisms. I would definitely say they didn’t need to tell this story aiming for a season two. It felt like much more could have been wrapped up because, at some point, you stop caring about the mysteries they’re trying to drag out.

      One related thing I’ve thought of recently (as I’m now up to three jobs and trying out for another tomorrow) is that there’s a really deep level of satisfaction in simply mastering something, even if it’s a menial task, that has absolutely nothing to do with living in a “late capitalist society” or whatnot. Yes, jobs can absolutely suck, based on who you’re working with and how much or little you can develop your skills, but almost any work has the potential to be deeply fulfilling.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

        Speaking of the East Village: I’m reading about all the ins and outs of the allegedly transgressive scene at “Dimes Square” including its dissenters who might just want to be let in: https://mcrumps.substack.com/p/my-own-dimes-square-fascist-humiliation

        For those who don’t know, Dimes Square is a newly created microhood between Canal Street and the Lower East Side. It is named after a health food restaurant in the area. It may or may not be the place for arts/ideas that matter these days. The culture writer Taylor Lorenz is a big dissenter on the idea that it is even a thing and she thinks the scene consists of 2000 people that 99.8 percent of humanity has never heard of. The scene seems to be a bunch of 20-30 somethings in New York who have been trying to make it in art or media for a bit. Some of whom have peripheral success. Many of whom have day jobs of banal variants like tutor. Others might just not need to work. Some of gone into that weird realm of becoming Catholic trad rads to shock their older siblings in bougie-boho Brooklyn.

        All of this stuff makes me realize I was just a real outsider when trying to direct theatre. I wasn’t even an outsider to the bitter outsiders like Mile Cumplar.Report

        • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          Hot Take: The society necessary for a proper Bohemia doesn’t really exist these days. You need basically a rather conservative mass that is easily shocked to have a proper Bohemia. People might be on the whole commercial and limited in their entertainment choices but they aren’t easily shocked. They simply don’t care. They would be Bohemians can do as they please and the response from everybody else would be a shrug. You need the outrage of the masses to have a true Bohemia.Report

          • Saul Degraw in reply to LeeEsq says:

            It Czech’s out and holds water. What is interesting to me is how about everyone is both the establishment and not these days. Are bougie liberals who dislike J.K. Rowling’s transphobia the establishment or is it Moms for Freedom or some other right-wing group the establishment or not.Report

            • LeeESq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

              The classic establishment would not recognize either of them as the establishment. Bougie liberals would come across as dangerous radicals because of their lack of racism and pro-LGBT stances. Moms for Freedom would be seen as a bunch of wild improper women rather than the angel in the home but the Birchers might see some kindred spirit in them. An establishment needs a sort of agreement on how to act and what is not to be done. No Emily Post, no establishment.Report

          • Rufus F. in reply to LeeEsq says:

            If a Bohemian falls in the woods and nobody hears it…?

            In my experience, what you need is basically just cheap rent to get the elements of Bohemia. I was just reading about a very run down area quite a bit outside of Detroit (which ain’t great shakes either) where the “artsy kids” realized you could rent a house together with very part time jobs and make art all the rest of the time, throw rent parties, etc. So, very predictably, that’s what they’re doing and it’s safe so long as the outside world doesn’t care. It’s not the outrage that puts an end to stuff like that, so much as the hype.

            Honestly, I think you probably still get the weirdo artsy kids in every affordable town or city- what made NYC seem “special” for so long was just that so much media is centered there that the local news could go out and write a puff piece about Klaus Nomi or some other “kooky” artist and finish by lunchtime. Now? Well, NYC is unaffordable for most people, or you’ve lucked into a rent stabilized apartment that someone willed you. I know a woman in an enormous pad that’s about $700 a month and she, naturally, has a lot of free time to make art.Report

            • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

              The need for cheap housing is probably a big part of Bohemia. You got this in many cities before the mid-20th century because the governing authorities were more tolerant of sub-part housing. Mid-20th century cities had this through a combination of public housing, noble but misguided policies, and urban decline in favor of suburbia. These days none of this applies.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

        Crumplar clearly is jealous about the amount of attention this guy got/gets: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/style/matthew-gasda-dimes-square.html

        Compared to Crumplar, I might as well have been on Pluto during my time in art.Report

  5. LeeEsq says:

    Here is a fascinating hour and half talk about the differences between literature and fan fiction in trying to determine whether fan fiction is art.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvP_BLMgYBgReport

  6. Kolohe says:

    But if these series are going to over-rely on the grief trope, maybe they could finally bury the idiotic cliché where every middle-aged person who is no longer married lost their spouse in a tragic accident, since it’s more “sympathetic” than divorce? Sometimes, they’re still alive and just cease to love you, and it feels like they died. Or, like some part of you died.

    Oh oh oh! But that’s the thing, what if Lumon….

    [camera aspect ratio and focal depth changes]

    [blinks] [pauses]

    ..sorry, what were we talking about?Report

  7. Kolohe says:

    More seriously, I do get what you’re saying — ‘why wasn’t this a movie, because it’s basically an 8 hour movie”. I think, however, in this case, they made good use of their time. If anything, got a bit in the spirit of, and made effective use of, the old ‘movie serial’ trope, with a cliffhanger on the end of most (every?) episode.

    edit –
    I also disagree with Saul above and perhaps Rufus in the OP, in that the anachronistic mashing of different time periods in the set and costume design , I found brilliant. Mostly because it wasn’t so much ‘mashed’ as ‘blended’

    (and one aspect even had an element of serving the plot in the end)Report

  8. Kolohe says:

    If there’s one nitpicking plothole I can’t quite let go of (e.g. a la mst3K, “repeat to yourself, ‘it’s just a show, I should really just relax'”)

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