Maybe Some More Than Others
Illinois Rep Mary Miller stepped in it earlier when she suggested the overturning of Roe v Wade was a “victory for white life”
Her office said that she said (or meant to say) “right to life” instead of “white life”. In her defense was a family photo:
I will always defend the RIGHT TO LIFE! pic.twitter.com/BUh5vnk5Vs
— Mary Miller (@Miller_Congress) June 26, 2022
Does having (and taking pride in) non-white grandkids exonerate her from being racist? I would argue that given additional evidence that it doesn’t, though honestly it does help, does affect my perceptions, and if she is racist it at least represents a more complicated interaction between race and racism than simple “white supremacy” as is often constructed. The argument here is of course just because her family isn’t lilly-white doesn’t mean that she’s not racist. Racism, of course, comes in many forms. Which is true, though this ends up being taken to somewhat cynical measures. Just because they have non-white children, just because their wife isn’t white, just because they aren’t white doesn’t mean they aren’t white supremacists. Scrape enough, you find out a lot of people define white supremacy as disagreement on a host of political issues.
But this is, of course, not just a stance on an issue. It is at best an utterance that should leave most people mortified if by accident and is a real problem if not by accident. And it is true that racists and white supremacists can have atypical biographies. One of the most racist people I knew in college seemed very, very, very interested in a cross-racial romantic partnership. It never happened (his romantic success in general was lacking for as long as I knew him) but if it had it might have been dismissed as his desire for a black girlfriend (in particular) was actually a manifestation of a desire to exert dominance or something else. Which I don’t know may be the case in some scenario but in his case it seemed to be pretty straightforward:
He was racist in the sense that his blank slate reaction to things happened around him were highly racialized in ways that were uncharitable or antagonistic towards non-whites. He at once wanted to defend these impulses – often doubling down on them – and was nonetheless very self-conscious about accusations of racism. In what I think was mostly a subconscious level, his interest in a cross-racial partnership a form of vindication for his self-assessment of not being racist. I don’t think that was all that was going on, and to be honest if he had a black wife I think he would have actually treated her very well. But he would have acted in other ways that would have been a problem. There is a good chance she would have gotten tired of being used as a shield.
Another case wherein I had a coworker who was always making comments – and getting in trouble for making comments – about immigrants. It was kind of surprising that his wife was a Mexican-American (one of the groups he singled out). I didn’t know him as well so I frankly don’t know what all was going on in his head, but it was likely more complicated than “dude just hates immigrants”. But it definitely wasn’t “not a racist bone in his body.”
I could go on, but the faces of racism I know are often more complicated than you would guess. Because people are, in fact, rather complicated. I think sometimes in the effort to craft over these complexities with a simple narrative about “white supremacist” or “couldn’t be racist” often don’t survive contact with the real world. Attempts to add nuance are wrong because complication is often used as cover. But recognizing that doesn’t make it go away.
As for Rep Mary Miller, the decisive factor for me with regard to whether it was a simple misspoken word involves a previous incident wherein she gotta-handed it to Adolf Hitler:
“Each generation has the responsibility to teach and train the next generation,” video shows Miller saying. “You know, if we win a few elections, we’re still gonna be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle. Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future.’”
Now, sometimes bad people say very smart things and I am a believer in not letting that prevent you from quoting or citing them. Even evil can have piercing incites (it often is what causes them to succeed enough to warrant attention) but if you’re looking for a quote on something as anodyne as “kids are the future” and your go-to there is Hitler it certainly comes across like you’re mostly just looking a way to cite Hitler. Perhaps to normalize him. At best, you are indifferent to the fact that the people you are talking to are more likely to reject what you’re saying by citing such a person. Or perhaps you think that they won’t. Perhaps you’re right. Which is itself something to think about.
It also should not be lost on us that the two quotes together share a thread about future generations. Mary Miller’s vision for future generations may include a place for her grandkids, who I would guess that she loves very much, but embracing your grandkids while also not citing Hitler is a pretty low bar to clear and there is only so much benefit of the doubt loving your family gets you.
Now I’m just a guy, and I’m a guy that wouldn’t have voted for her under any circumstances. But if you want to make these accusations less credible generally, avoid unnecessary Hitler citations. Just start there. And maybe recognize why people freak out at “white life.”
As a start.
Hmm…
“Children are the world’s most valuable resource and it’s best hope for the future”.
-John F Kennedy.
“They [children] are our future”
-Nelson Mandela
“Our greatest Natural Resource is in the minds of our Children.”
-Walt Disney
“…children are our future…”
-Whitney Houston
Those aren’t really on the point she seems to want. Those are “children are hope” when some of these groups understand “without indoctrination no adult will follow us so we need to indoctrinate children”. That’s a cultural/religious thing.
“Whoever controls the education of our children controls the future”.
-Wilma Mankiller (American Indian Activist and Chief)Report
I mean, there is always one person who had amazing speechwriters, and seems a bit more, uh, acceptable to quote:
It’s not super pithy, you might want to use only the ‘or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free’ part, but seems to be basically what is wanted.
Plus, it’s a Reagan quote so automatically get cheers regardless.
Addition: Also this one:
Report
A lot of this comes down to exactly what definition of “racist” one has in mind. In this case, probably not the “everyone’s a little bit racist” kind but also not the “slavery was justified” kind, so I guess the accusation is that she secretly but consciously holds opinions involving negative generalizations across one or more category of non-white people. For that one, certainly having a family member or best friend in the category isn’t a sure defense because they could be seen as an exception, or else the generalization isn’t purely based on race but rather a combination of race and culture.
But at the same time, I don’t think either of these two events is very useful in determining whether she fits the above category. Re the Hitler reference, it certainly shows bad judgment and suggests that her taboo for Hitler references is not as strong as we might like, but it’s quite a stretch to say that having less of a taboo means that she actually supports what he did in any way. And the “white life” thing — to me it seems like a genuine slip of the tongue ( “w” and “r” are easy to mix up in speech, and this would be a very strange thing to purposely say in this context). Even if somehow the word “white” was bouncing around in her brain, I think people really make too much of the idea that these slips are windows into one’s true beliefs. Not that it’s impossible that the worst way to take it is the right way, just seems to me to be low-probability based on only what’s presented here.Report
The thing is that if a person wants to make a children are the future reference, there are only about 99 trillion quotations about this. There was even a very schmaltzy Whitney Houston song from when I was a wee lad that literally had “I believe children are our future” as lyric or something very close to it.Report
Giving the fascist a pass like this is one of the reasons why American democracy is in big danger.Report
I agree with regards to slips of the tongue.
Today, I almost and maybe kinda sorta did accidentally say a slang term for an East Asian person. I was talking with my students about a sensory material they were using and how it felt “icky, sticky, ooey, gooey, glippy, gloppy, etc.” and the words just got jumbled in my mouth and if anyone was listening super closely and wanted to “gotcha me” they easily could have. We all fumble our words a hundred times a day and sometimes the fumble is really bad.
I think focusing on this is like focusing on Trump’s skin tone… like, why? There is much more legitimate stuff to critique this person for and yet you want to focus on the stupid stuff that is least credible and most likely to blow up in your face. Why? WHY WHY WHY?Report
She knew what she was doing and is now back tracking. There is nothing new under the sun with this moment. It is the same as MTG trying to backtrack when she was caught hanging out with actual racist and proud anti-Semite Nick Fuentes. I would not be surprised if Congressperson Miller was caught telling people that the (((ewws))) are to blame for the foreclosure on the farm.
The thing about American society currently is that a lot of people realize being accused of racism is bad but this doesn’t mean that they want to do any reflection about whether they hold bigoted views and/or structural racism is a thing. Such actions require self-examination and that can be painful and make people feel bad. Instead, we get a kind of dance of “No one is more against prejudice than me but let my freak flag fly…..”
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”-Jean-Paul SartreReport
I have relatives in downstate IL. My uncle is a staunch union man, who voted Democrat his whole life until 2008. When my cousin pointed this out to him, his response was, “Well, that’s different.”
South of I-80 in this state you’re going to find a whole bunch of Mary Millers.Report
Ah, but Miller is from Dupage County, born in Oak Park, graduated from Naperville.Report
That’s wild! She sure has assimilated.
(not that those towns are paragons of anti-racist virtue)Report
Its very common for racist people to have deep and even loving relationships with nonwhite people.
The famous examples are Thomas Jefferson and Strom Thurmond who had children with nonwhite women. But far more common ae the millions of white people who had friendly relationships with black coworkers.
But the thing is, that doesn’t change the fact that in all these cases, there was an assumed inequality. The kindness and respect shown to the nonwhite people was a privilege subject to revocation at will.
They weren’t accepted as peers and equals, they were guests, tolerated only on condition of their acceptance of the structure of laws and norms and customs. The moment they challenged that, they were suddenly viewed as the enemy and treated accordingly.
Like I’ve said a few times now, the worst atrocities in history rely on these sorts of people who although they themselves don’t say the quite parts or get their hands dirty, can always be counted on to support or acquiesce to those who do.Report
Yep, saying “white” instead of “right to” seems a very telling Freudian slip.Report
As I pointed out yesterday in the Dobbs thread, there are lots of people willing to state totally deranged and hate-filled things on line and connected to their real names: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1afaaf308ab101b2617668659e64773595a845487e9d0027371835129cdc9afd.png
Based on my google searching, Penelope Maynard describes herself as a Catholic, and Nationalist on Twitter. The least problematic aspects are the facts that she gets history totally wrong. I get that it is comforting to think of her as a loner and lonely soul but I think that the views she expresses here are shared by a sizeable minority of the population. Even if as Chip notes many Republicans would find these thoughts distasteful, they are not going to tell her she is wrong and will defend her if she ever face official reprimand for these views in some setting as being “cancel culture.” Even if we go with the 27 percent crazy factor, 27 percent of 330 million people is a lot of people with fanatical hatred in them.
When people tell you who they are, believe them was a lesson we all should have learned from the but her e-mails lady in 2016. 6 years later and a lot of people still seem to not want to believe this lesson because it means some confrontation and going against their perceived tribe.Report
I have a relative that lives in her current district and just thinks she’s stupid as ****, and has a lot of stories to tell. But his big complaint was that she makes a big deal out of refusing federal money to the district. I told him I’m not sure she gets to decide that, but its a concrete policy proposal that doesn’t require sifting through her hidden agendas.
The problem is that downstate is a series of Republican sinks in which the Republican will have a two-to-one advantage in the general election. The winner of the Republican primary will win with something like 15% of the vote total in the general election and win the general election in a landslide.Report
And then the republicans in that district who claim to be pro-choice or moderate will lament the ever rightward movement of their party while refusing to vote for the democrat.Report
We have about 20% of the country who are pro-life-and-vote-on-it. There have to be a lot of republicans in that 80% who disagree with the party but don’t think the issue is important enough to leave. They are either a bullet voter for something else or have other weightings.
The real power of the pro-life movement is a LOT of them vote on that issue and that issue alone.Report
If 20% of the country votes single-issue pro-life, there’s another 20% that votes pro-life and other issues, 20% in the middle, 20% who vote pro-choice and other issues, and 20% who vote single-issue pro-choice.Report
You wish.
We’re in the spot we are because, until maybe now, there’s been close-to-0% who vote single-issue pro-choice. With the Supremes on their side there’s been no need to do the heavy lifting.
My 10 second search on google suggested pro-life out spent pro-choice on the election 3 to 1.Report
I actually have voted single-issue pro-choice for most of my adult life, though it doesn’t matter much given where I am. That is, it’s the only reason I’ve voted for Democrats in most of the instances in which I’ve voted for Democrats. Having had many conversations about this, I think the number is actually significantly higher than 0%, though probably not 20%.Report
“With the Supremes on their side there’s been no need to do the heavy lifting.
My 10 second search on google suggested pro-life out spent pro-choice on the election 3 to 1.”
I think any time the status quo is (or is perceived to be) in your favor, those looking to change it are always going to be more active and engaged. It will be interesting to see what those numbers look like moving forward.Report
If only there was a way to make sure people like Ms. Miller do not advance to the general and if they advance to the general that they do not advance to Congress…..Report
Funny story on NPR!
Report
I think part of the “credit” for her winning was that her predecessor surprised everyone by announcing he was retiring, publicly thought about reconsidering, and ultimately announced he would not reconsider. The candidates that appeared were all pretty minor for both parties.
Miller had never run for office before and within a couple of days of being seated in 2021 name-checked Hitler. Her spiel is that she is not a career politician. She’s running this time against a career politician that has the support of almost all of the local Republican party bosses. His spiel is constituent services. It will be close.Report
Regardless of what is in her heart and hitler having some good points THE CROWD cheered her “white life” comment. Maybe her tongue slipped but did the claps and cheers of the crowd just slip. Nope the crowd loved “white life” so what the heck is in their hearts? Would have loved ( well hated) to hear what the crowd thought she meant.Report
I think she pretty clearly misspoke. As such, I don’t really care about that.
I know for a fact that non-white people and white people with close, loving relationships with non-white people can still be racist and/or white supremest.
This recent snafu seems like a non-troversy.
What does NOT seem uncontroversial is that her Hitler comments were egregious.
And what seems stupid is that we’re only making hay of them now because of a slip of the tongue. Like, why wasn’t she called out over and over again 18 months ago when she made the Hitler comments? And why do Dems seems so committed to screwing ALL of this up?Report
We’re making hay of the fact that the crowd cheered , and that there is a consistent pattern of bigotry across the entire Republican party.Report
A fair point but not really relevant to her specifically which was my focus.Report
It’s her crowd of supporters right after she won the election. Probably doesn’t matter what she says.
I’m fine giving her/them a pass on that and ignoring the mis-spoke if she were otherwise mainstream, or even mainstream Right.
Big problem I have is she’s one of Trump’s backers in the Big Lie. This puts her in “overturning election” territory and “Fascist” might be the right word.Report
Liars don’t get the presumption of innocence.
86% of Republican voters embrace the Big Lie.Report
I’m genuinely less certain that it was a mispeak. The post’s title is at least a nod to that… her mindframe might be “this is good for all children but white children are of particular interest”. This may not be fair on my part.
With regard to the Hitler line, it did get a fair bit of attention at the time. It didn’t hold attention because there was a lot happening around that time. For whatever reason, she hasn’t in general got the attention that MTG and Boebert have. Either she’s not quite the wildcat attention hound, or she’s just not as good at it.Report
It may not have been a misspeak. Or may have been more Freudian than truly a slip of the tongue. But if we want to question this woman’s moral compass, we have strong evidence and we have weak evidence and it seems weird to focus on the latter (not you necessarily, the broader discourse).Report
Speaking of stating the quiet parts loudly: https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1541485882414452736?s=20&t=jy9AhJiqJ-HBeO2MRyXJMQReport
As a non-Twitter, non-TikToker, weaksauce social media user… is there an appreciable difference between @RightWingWatch and @LibsofTikTok (or whatever it’s called) besides ideology?Report
Yes.
The people featured on the latter are mostly isolated cranks whereas the people featured on the former have Senators and governors on a speed dial.Report
What Chip said. MTG appeared at a rally with Fuentes. She tried to backtrack but they were caught together on camera. The LibsofTikTok lady only assumes the cranks she highlights have access to Biden and Pelosi,Report