Wednesday Writs: Ethan Crumbley’s Parents and Culpability Case Law

Em Carpenter

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16 Responses

  1. Oscar Gordon says:

    While I do think the felony murder rule is normally appropriate, it could probably use a bit more tinkering around the edges.

    This case was especially ripe for tinkering.
    https://reason.com/2021/09/01/cop-kills-cop-jenna-holm-charged-with-manslaughter-bonneville-county-idaho-wyatt-maser/Report

    • Em Carpenter in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      Wow. So much wrong here… first of all, her culpability for the underlying crime seems to be questionable due to mental health issues which I have to think would negate her ability to foresee the consequences of her actions, even if being the outcome had been foreseeable, which I do not think it was.Report

    • InMD in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      The seminal felony murder case in Maryland involved a jewlery store robbery where the police accidentally shot and killed one of the victims of the heist. None of the robbers personally hurt anyone.

      Of course I believe 2 of the 3 defendants in the Ahmaud Arbery case were convicted of felony murder doctrine, neither of whom pulled the trigger. It isn’t an easy one to resolve.Report

      • Mike Schilling in reply to InMD says:

        1 count of felony murder per felony, so 3 or 4 counts of felony murders each.Report

      • Oscar Gordon in reply to InMD says:

        Not sure felony murder should be used because cops have piss poor trigger discipline.Report

      • JS in reply to InMD says:

        There’s a recent case just filed in which cops responding to shots fired a few blocks away randomly lit up a nearby car, killing someone in the car.

        The person who fired the original gun was charged with felony murder for the people the cops shot, because of the logic “the cops wouldn’t have been there to shoot them if they hadn’t been responding to a gunshot”.

        You get into a shootout with the cops mid-crime, sure. Felony murder for anyone who dies, even if it was from someone else’s gun.

        But I’m pretty iffy on “You committed a crime, and the cops did a fun drive-by on some poor schmuck on the way to the scene of your crime, felony murder”Report

  2. Doctor Jay says:

    Never mind the felony murder rule. I want to know who opens their Christmas presents on what, Dec 2? Christmas Eve at the soonest is my rule.

    More seriously, thanks!Report

  3. Burt Likko says:

    The felony murder rule is obviously an appropriate thing, for the same reason conspiracy and accessory charges are appropriate. You should be held responsible for something bad that you set in motion or helped make happen.

    But capital felony murder? I’ve always had a problem with that and always will. Allowing for having capital punishment in the first place (which, query; yes, it’s Constitutional, but does that make it good policy? different discussion tho) that really ought to be reserved for the person who actually did the actual killing.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    Crumbly’s parents are only being charged with involuntary manslaughter if I recall correctly which seems appropriate as a charge.

    I am against capital punishment in general and felony murder can be abused but the parents seem quite reckless based on the evidence and actions as I know them.Report