24 thoughts on “Joe Biden Needs to Be The Next Democratic Nominee

  1. Joe Biden’s obvious cognitive decline is not going to reserve itself, and likely will only worsen over the next 3 years. He will turn EIGHTY-TWO (82) years old in November 2024. Not sure how you can advocate for him to run for a second term without addressing that particular elephant in the Oval Office.Report

  2. Buttigieg will never be anointed heir from a position in Transportation. The infrastructure bill is signed, and is full of transportation spending, though. Ask me in a year, if Pete’s the face of successful infrastructure spending and ready to be moved on to something bigger.Report

  3. Joe Biden 2012? Heck, yeah! Remember how he dismantled Paul Ryan in the debate? Good times.

    Biden 2021, however, is not Biden 2012. If you start from 2012-2021 and extrapolate out to 2024 using some best guesses, you could easily come to the conclusion that it might be worth having a conversation about, okay, what if.Report

    1. Biden ’16 would have been Biden’s moment.

      Now he’s too little, too late, too old.

      I hope he lives to a ripe old age on some lovely property in Delaware… but I don’t see him campaigning in 2024.Report

  4. While I’m generally sympathetic to the thrust of the post I think it’s quite a bit too soon to be talking about. We’re only just barely coming up on the 1 year mark for fish’s sake.Report

    1. I agree it’s too early to start the horse race itself; but its hard to see this horse running again.

      Which makes the Harris/Buttigieg slap fight all the more fascinating as I don’t think either will be in the race at the end.Report

      1. Harris will never be ready for prime time. After his stint Buttigieg needs to move to some jurisdiction where he can plausibly win office higher than mayor. Dude isn’t even 40. He has time.

        I don’t see how either would be the nominee no matter what happens with Biden.Report

        1. A white gay husband and father actually has a decent shot at nomination after seasoning in a cabinet position. While there will be a lot of pushback from conservative quarters for being gay, he got the veteran vibe going for him, and lets face it his skin color is more acceptable to a lot of folks.Report

          1. For whatever strange reason, your comment reminded me of Pedro from one of the first few seasons of “The Real World” who was a young gay guy living with AIDS. For those too old (or too young) to remember, he was culturally relevant at that time – and he did a lot to raise awareness about HIV in the early-90s. (He unfortunately passed away not long after the series aired).

            I recall one time Pedro was freaking out about introducing his boyfriend to his conservative cuban parents. Not because he was a guy, but because he was black.

            Anyway, that’s a long winded way of saying, you’re probably right.Report

          2. I see it as an issue of experience. I’m also a fan of running former governors wherever possible, as opposed to legislators, cabinet members, etc. Obviously not a hard and fast rule but I think it grounds them in reality in a way people intuitively sense.Report

              1. Carter, FDR, Coolidge, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, McKinley, Cleveland, Hayes, Johnson, Polk, Tyler, Van Buren, Monroe, and Jefferson. Slightly more than a third of the 46. I would say it had fallen out of favor, but former governors held the office for all but four years of the 32-year stretch from 1977-2009.Report

              2. I don’t think that’s the right way to look at it, and I’m not really sure what’s meant by ‘don’t do well’ as presidential candidates. This century we had a lightening in the bottle candidate, an insider who preemptively cleared the field candidate and lost, and a please God save us both from Trump and ourselves candidate with no coattails and that was way closer than it shouldve been. I think cultivating governors is a better way to attack the weak points because of the way they have to win office and the way they have to succeed in office.Report

    2. Reagan didn’t look good until he threw a tiny commie nation up against a wall. GHW Bush looked unbeatable until he didn’t. Clinton got hammered on Hilarycare, and still won a second term. Trump looked like he was headed to late model Hoover/Nixon/Carter numbers until he passed some tax cuts and upgraded to bargain bin Gerald Ford.

      I can’t say where the conventional wisdom on Joe Biden will go over the next three years. I can make some educated guesses, but those are still guesses. I remain the Buddhist Wise Man, “Time will tell.”Report

  5. I want to be sympathetic to the OP, but I really can’t.

    Demos really need to rally around the flag, to where even if they lose in 2022 they keep the margins as small as possible. To that end, lots of Dems want to stand with Biden, but it’s not just that he’s unpopular, he’s unpopular and checked out. How are Dems going to rally around the Prez when he’d not even rallied around himself?

    The fact that Kamala Harris is even less popular complicates things because the Dems aren’t going to be rallying around her. Tbh, it’s hard to say what the Dems ought to be working for.

    They could start voting Republican and try to be good Americans I guess.Report

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