25 thoughts on “Obsolete Philosophy Kickoff: Marx vs Nietzsche

  1. Bravest post ever.

    I saved three papers from College (mostly for the professor’s comments) and re-reading them is painful.

    I’d say this is a solid college effort on three short texts… assume the prompt was something like, compare/contrast Nietzsche/Marx on Utopia? Myers is the wildcard… did you bring him in or was it part of the readings? (Are you channeling Myers?)

    This reminds me of a MacIntyre paper where we had to show how/where Aristotle & Machiavelli differed with regards their conception of virtue.Report

    1. Yeah, I think that’s what it was. I want to say that we had multiple philosophers to compare/contrast and, of course, I picked Marx and Nietzsche.

      I do not have the actual papers saved.

      (If I recall correctly, I got a B on this.)Report

        1. Now I’m wondering if that sort of dialogue book is still being done? Seems almost wistful.

          I can imagine Myers putting out his new Revised 2021 Edition: Bad Men saying Bad things Badly.Report

          1. It’s weird. I want to say that Nietzsche has disappeared.

            He was freakin’ *EVERYWHERE* in the 90’s (for the small value of “everywhere” that we had back then) as was Existentialism.

            Maybe it was just a Gen X thing. Like Soundgarden.Report

              1. Interest in him does seem to be picking up again in academic philosophy departments. There’s a new book coming out sometime this year called How to Philosophize with a Hammer and Sickle: Nietzsche and Marx for the 21st-Century Left which, aside from being relevant to the particular topic of this post, I think reflects the move in Nietzsche scholarship (and, in fact, academic philosophy generally, among the folks who’ve entered that career in the last few years): an attempt to read and do philosophy in light of contemporary practical (and political) issue.

                Nietzsche scholarship in the English-speaking world has always been cyclical: Now we love him, now we think he’s a horrible misogynistic elitist, now we love him, now we think he’s a horrible misogynistic elitist, and so on. I’m actually somewhat hopeful that the folks beginning to pick him up again will love him in spite of his flaws.Report

              2. Maybe the tenure track skips a generation.

                (I do wonder why he evaporated during the War On Terror, though. He might have been useful. I doubt that even #MeToo could have kept him from being read except among people who don’t read more than YA anyway.)Report

              3. The job market was pretty brutal for everyone who finished grad school in the late 90s through about 2010 (it’s even more brutal now, but that doesn’t seem to have reduced the ratio of like 70 philosophy grad students to 1 tenure-track job opening).

                I had a friend in grad school here who was, or rather is, a Nietzsche scholar who published a book with a prestigious academic publisher — a friggin’ book! — and a handful of journal articles on Nietzsche during grad school, and couldn’t get a tenure-track job in the country, so he went overseas. Seriously, if you can’t get a job after publishing a well reviewed academic book in grad school, either the subject you’re studying is no longer looked upon favorably in the discipline, or there’s something deeply broken in your discipline. I think it was a combination of both.Report

              4. We’re seeing things finally start to lighten up in some areas. I think that the Boomers are *FINALLY* starting to retire.

                That’s probably more helpful in business than in academia, though. Academia can get by on adjuncts for another decade or so.Report

              5. The purpose of Universities has morphed from something vaguely education adjacent to maintenance of an endowment, I’m not surprised that they’ve shifted focus on who does what around the campus.Report

  2. “(If I recall correctly, I got a B on this.)”

    Because you didn’t stick the landing on deistic personalism in the conclusion. 🙂Report

    1. If anything, I’m mostly ashamed at the dryness of the writing. I should be cheekier!

      For example, where I say “as is the case in even America’s more evolved and enlightened form of capitalism”, I probably meant that non-ironically back in 1995.

      But when I read that with my current year eyes, I can’t help but read it in the voice with which I would say it today.

      (I did get kinda playful in the Bibliography.)Report

    1. but speaking of citations, I’m surprised there aren’t any in the text itself, with i.e. MLA format*. That seemed to be all the rage (and a royal pain the neck) in the early 90s from my own experience.

      *of that era, heck, it probably has changed.Report

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