Democrats Should Raise The Debt Ceiling Now

Eric Medlin

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  1. Greginak says:

    If there was ever an issue that shows the dysfunction of how our works the debt ceiling is it. Nuke the f’n thing from orbit. If it turns out reality is all a Sim it will turn out that some being is really into parliamentary procedure and is running experiments to see how stupid it can be.Report

    • JS in reply to Greginak says:

      Honestly? My guess is the debt ceiling law is, in fact, not actually law anymore. (That’s assuming it was ever really Constitutional, as the mere specter of not raising the debt ceiling calls into question the validity of US debts, which is a big no-no).

      That aside: Say you don’t raise the debt ceiling, a requirement based on a law written quite some time back.

      Now the Executive is in a bind: They are legally required to spend the money Congress told them to spend. They are also legally barred from borrowing the money they need to spend as Congress directs.

      Now, there’s a pretty easy and standard process the Courts follow when two laws directly conflict. If they are unreconcilable (such as this case, where spending is mandated but requires borrowing, which is barred), the newer law takes precedence.

      So if the most recent budget bill requires borrowing more money than the Treasury is allowed, the most obvious answer is simply that….the most recent budget grants implicit authority to borrow, or flat-out nullifies laws preventing Treasury from borrowing as needed to spend as Congress directs.

      Of course, settling this would require the debt ceiling to be hit, the Executive from running out of ways to shift funds around to defer borrowing, and finally going “Screw it, when faced with “Spend X but Don’t borrow Y” you told me to Spend X more recently, so I’m going the interpret that as you repealing the previous law.” and then months and months of court cases — all real big on “economic uncertainty” there.

      I frankly don’t doubt the Executive would win. Congress gave them contradictory orders. Fulfilling one violates the other, buy the Executive is required to do BOTH. There’s no discretion to stay out of it, punt it back to Congress, etc. (Well there is, and past Executives have used it to delay borrowing. Which is just, frankly, good-faith efforts by the Executive to obey the will of Congress until it can’t anymore)Report

      • Marchmaine in reply to JS says:

        Just have to default to find out!

        I forget the early SCOTUS ruling that basically said it won’t provide constitutional ‘advice’ absent a case? I think we had a write up here by Em or Burt.Report

        • InMD in reply to Marchmaine says:

          The case and controversy requirement. The court won’t rule on hypotheticals or cases that are not ripe.Report

        • JS in reply to Marchmaine says:

          Well, in reality what would happen would be:

          1. Treasury hits the debt ceiling.
          2. Executive can find no other sources of funding.
          3. Executive authorizes Treasury to borrow, claiming that by authorizing the spending in the first place, knowing it’d require borrowing, Congress authorized that borrowing.
          4. Someone sues to stop them, literally attempting to force the US to default. That’d be fun.
          5. It spends months in the Courts.

          I mean for years we just used the Gephardt rule (which just put in boilerplate language in any spending authorization allowing Treasury to borrow as needed to cover it), and then of course we stopped that in 1995.

          The Gingrich revolution led to so many great things, right? Lobotomized Congress like nobody’s business.Report

          • Marchmaine in reply to JS says:

            Yes, I expect you’re right… which is another reason I don’t really think any of this is about ‘defaulting.’ Though I think #5 would be within a week or two, not a prolonged court case. I believe the court can spring into action on constitutional crises like that.

            Fun thought for the day… my suspicion is that the court would rule that whichever action the president took was the constitutional one. Like a Schrodinger’s SCOTUS ruling… there isn’t a Constitutional position other than the one taken by the Executive at the moment the box is opened. No matter what, that is what the court would affirm.Report

  2. Dark Matter says:

    I never understood either side’s efforts here.

    The GOP was insisting 50 Dems vote for it via reconciliation. It’s clearly a budget only thing so reconciliation is clearly possible. The Dems were insisting that it not be passed via reconciliation even though they have 50 votes?

    What was going on here?Report

    • Greginak in reply to Dark Matter says:

      Parliamentary gamesmanship to tweek the narrative and win a news cycle. That’s about it.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

      Some Democrats want Republicans to own their prior spending choices because they believe its a millstone that should be hung around the neck of Republicans. Other democrats believe if they have to add the debt limit to the $3.5T bill already under reconciliation it will make it harder for Manchin and Sinema to support it – not that they do anyway. All this stems from a collective disbelief in Washington that the Republicans that they drink with after hours are really this hell bent on obtaining and maintaining power.Report

    • Doctor Jay in reply to Dark Matter says:

      I think the point was to put more pressure on Joe Manchin, who would have had to vote for the debt limit raise pretty much at the same time he’s trying to cut back the big infrastructure bill.

      And the Dems refusing was about returning the favor, and putting pressure on Senate Republicans, many of whom do not want to vote either for or against a debt ceiling raise. Because there heart is not in any default, they know it will be bad, and it will land on their shoulders, and yet the crazy voters will also be mad if they vote to raise the limit.

      I mean, I’m not ruling out that it looks good for the cameras and drives the news cycle, but I think there’s a more “bargaining position” aspect to this whole thing.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Doctor Jay says:

        Manchin has no issues with the $1.5 T Infrastructure only bill the Senate passed and the House was supposed to vote on last week. He has problems with the larger and less bridges and sewer pipes $3.5 T Build Back Better bill that the House Progressives used to tank the infrastructure bill in that vote because they want all $5T of each bill.Report

  3. Marchmaine says:

    Ok, I’m gamed out on this topic… left it all on the field in the previous thread.

    You boys have fun storming the castle.Report