19 thoughts on “Give Joe Biden Credit for Withdrawing from Afghanistan

  1. The next step, which will require even more bravery and leadership, is to wind down the war footing here at home and return to a peacetime society.
    By “war footing” I mean the massive security state that was erected post 9-11 and the wartime mentality that supported it.

    The TSA and the surveillance apparatus, the militarization of the police, all of this was erected in a climate of panic and fear, and sold to the public as being necessitated by the urgent threat of a looming enemy attack.

    Just as no politician wants a Saigon moment of helicopters lifting off a roof, no politician wants to be the one who relaxes the security state and experiences an attack. So it will require that the citizens themselves demand this, and pressure the elected leaders to end the war at home, and return to a peacetime society.Report

        1. I suspect that TSA will be the first to be reformed, because it is the most visible and tangible face of security, and the one that inconveniences white upper class Americans who set the national agenda and fund campaigns.

          The last prisoner in Gitmo will pass away of natural causes sometime in the 2160s and be a tiny footnote next to the story about a squirrel riding a hoverboard.Report

            1. See I actually don’t think it’s that inconvenient anymore after 20 years. Compared to pre 9/11, sure, but it’s not the cluster it was the first few years and now people just prepare for it. I did DCA to BOS for work just before the pandemic, there and back same day, and surprised myself by barely noticing.Report

              1. When I was traveling a lot, I got good at it, but “Shoes off, belt off, keys out, wallet out, phone out, Kindle out, laptop out, all on conveyor, get scanned, put everything back together” is still a lot.Report

    1. Relaxing air security in the US is a brutally difficult risk. The ratchet doesn’t turn that way. If a politician relaxes security requirements then the moment some nut slips an exacto knife onto a plane the blow up will be huge whereas if no security relaxation has occurred the reaction to the exact same nut and knife would be a collective shrug.Report

      1. I know. That’s why it will have to become something like marijuana legalization, an issue that comes from a broad sea change in public opinion and makes it safe to follow.Report

          1. The flight attendants are parroting the same thinking of most Americans when it comes to threats, but what is really astonishing is to look at how lucrative security industry is, and how much that distorts the incentives and decisions.

            Everything from the Pentagon budget to Homeland Security, from state prisons to local police, from alarm companies to doorbell cameras, Fear Inc. is so deeply woven into our economy that it will take a long protracted effort to reduce it even by a little.

            I even see it in the design of buildings, where the subject is raised of what sort of security system is needed, and every time a solution is proposed, there will be one person in the meeting who will raise an ever-more contrived scenario where it is defeated, leading to yet another layer of security devices added.

            We can see it right now in the blaring headlines about “Skyrocketing Crime” even though crime has declined. Fear is an enduring growth industry.Report

        1. Oh I feel ya but I have an apprehension that public opinion isn’t going to move on this subject. For most people air travel is something they endure only on rare occasion. The grinding unpleasantness of the TSA is just baked into the crap sandwich at this point in the national psyche. Also the TSA employs a lot of people and that’s going to be a passionate constituency in favor of not relaxing the airport security theater. Believe me, I wish it was otherwise.Report

  2. “Only a nominal group of 1,000 troops will remain to protect the U.S. embassy and the airport in Kabul.”

    So, let’s say 250 soldiers to guard the embassy and people. That least 750 at the airport. Tell me how this meets any definition of “withdrawal” when there’s still 750 dudes at the airport, especially if we’re doing bombing flights in the country from air bases nearby? There’s a reason why our troops are at the airport–to deny it to the Taliban.Report

  3. I wonder how many “contractors” will be there under the new system.

    If we remove the military but increase the number of “contractors”… well, at least the military won’t be there, I guess.Report

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