On Our Incessant Need For A Big Bad

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. DensityDuck says:

    Big Bads let us offload all the guilt of being horrible onto something else. I was mean to you but, well, there’s this Big Bad, if it weren’t for the Big Bad then I wouldn’t have been mean, so it’s his fault really. I don’t have to engage with my actions or their consequences, it’s the Big Bad who made me do it.

    As Eric Hoffer wrote, mass movements can exist without a God, but never without a Devil.Report

  2. Bill Blake says:

    Our problem isn’t that we create Big Bads, it’s that we refuse to identify the real Big Bads, imagining that our petty squabbles are over real evils. The problem is that we’re all correct–each of us, arguing for the power to steal from, kidnap, and murder our fellows *is* the Big Bad, or at least one of its tentacles. We see the things we squabble over and imagine them important, but refuse to see that both sides are essentially the same, united in their disdain for the individual, united in their goals of imposing their wills on everyone else. There really *is* a monstrous evil out there, and one can give it a name–it is the subordination of the individual to the collective, the desire *however expressed or justified* to violate the life, liberty, or property of even one person in the pursuit of collective goals. Collectivism is that name, and both left and right are its avid, rabid proponents.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Bill Blake says:

      I’m thinking of the story of the French and German Communists in the 30s who saw the Big Bad as the old aristocracy, not the Fascists and in some cases sided with them.

      Or the people in the 1960s who opposed the civil rights movement because they were sure it was just a front for Communism.

      Or an example I saw the other day where someone noted that in the 1998 movie You’ve Got Mail, the Big Bad was mass booksellers like Barnes & Noble, while a little noticed online bookseller called Amazon was not even mentioned.

      It’s not that Big Bads don’t exist, its just hard sometimes to see what they are.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        The German Communists saw the big bad as the more moderate Social Democrats. They called them social fascists. The Social Democrats were more committed to Weimar democracy than any other political party in post-WWI Germany. Lots of people are willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.Report

      • Bill Blake in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        Agreed. Especially when the Big Bad isn’t a tangible thing. Somebody dying today? It’s an example of a Big Bad. Encroaching tyranny that benefits my side while hurting theirs–invisible, because it’s abstract, and because its tangible harms are to someone I don’t regard as human.Report

  3. Oscar Gordon says:

    There is also the issue of mistaking minor demons for existential threats. Yes, X is a problem we need to deal with, but it’s not the most pressing problem, and the fact that some person or group doesn’t share your sense of urgency, or they find your proposed solutions to be heavy handed, does not make them a Big Bad, or even a Minor Bad, or anything, really.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    Humans are tribal creatures. This seems hardwired into our brains from the neolithic and we cannot update for advances in society generally. Everyone does it one way or another and in ways that can often look silly/harmless on the surface but also contain hints of malice underneath. “Welcome to Oregon, now go home” being a famous bumper sticker from that state.

    WRT the Atlanta shootings, I do not know how easy it is to unpack racism, sexism, and a lot of other things from the crime. He grew up in a religion with very unworkable attitudes toward sex that seems to want to do everything but admit that they are wrong in this regard. The Southern Baptists are also going through a broil over how they think the purpose of women in the religion is to just support male participants and leaders. Even if he never heard “go shoot the women” directly, he got enough to let him make the connections.

    There are lots of ghosts I think humans would be good to give up but I’m a liberal so I would think this.Report

  5. Damon says:

    “”Hatred And Prejudice Will Never Be Eradicated. And Witch Hunts Will Never Be About Witches. A Scapegoat, That’s The Key.””

    Of course, that’s also a way to oppose something you don’t like….accuse the other person that his policy position is racist/sexist/whatever.Report

  6. Pinky says:

    I’ll admit my comment may be a bit unfair. I didn’t leave it under the “Hate is Hate” article mainly because I wasn’t going to click on a bunch of those links from an office computer, and I don’t want to comment on something I haven’t fully read. But structurally, Michael’s argument was pure conspiracy theory. It asserted that Christian groups promote the idea of sex addiction, but you know what those Christians are like, so the concept of sex addiction has got to be wrong. And you know what else those Christian groups cite? Sex work stats. So those numbers must be wrong too. It’s the same organizations. Well, not the same organizations, like the NYT and conservative Christian counselors and anti-pron feminists, but if those groups are citing the stats, then they must all be driven by bigotry and sex work should be legal.

    Even the quote here from Michael’s article: “if you remove the misogyny and sex worker hatred, there’s still plenty of evil left over to attribute to racism.” That’s not proof that any of those things are involved. It’s listing people who might be hiding behind the tree. It reads like Michael asking permission to put sex worker hatred on the list of big bads by assuring that the anti-sexists and anti-racists will still be given pulpit time. As I said, I haven’t checked his links, and maybe they do present proof of each of Michael’s arguments. But the theme of his piece is adding big bads based on a single event, which is the opposite of the spirit of Andrew’s article above. That’s the point I’m trying to make now: that exploiting a news story for political gain is exactly what Michael’s article was doing.Report

  7. LeeEsq says:

    A lot of people like the idea of externalized evil or the big bad because they believe that if we can defeat this externalized evil than we can achieve utopia forever. Internalized evil isn’t so popular because it means constant struggle not only with yourself, making your your own internalized evil doesn’t take over but with other people who basically let their internalized evil master them. So I do think that the big bad exists in that there are evil, malicious, and petty people in this world that do a lot of harm. Getting rid of them won’t achieve paradise because we will always have them.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to LeeEsq says:

      Calvin: You don’t think there is a evil force that leads humans to do terrible things?
      Hobbes: I just don’t think humans need the help.Report

  8. JoeSal says:

    “It’s as if population centers are creating people who are angry at people.”Report