Rudy’s Got A Case…Of the Monday’s

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  1. Em Carpenter says:

    My favorite part:
    Judge: What level of scrutiny should I apply here?

    Rudy: The normal one.

    America’s lawyer, everybody!
    (I feel like anyone who regularly reads Wednesday Writs knows why this is hilarious.)Report

  2. Oscar Gordon says:

    I love how Rudy’s credibility is just so far down the outhouse hole…Report

  3. JS says:

    These cases have been truly awful in general. They reek of a client with too much money and too much privilege demanding his lawyers “do something”.

    I’ve been honestly surprised that no Judge has yet read the plaintiff’s the riot act for wasting the court’s time.

    I mean just to date — you’ve had ill-prepared lawyers, you’ve had lawyers who had to recant their own claims in court (“a non-zero number”), you’ve had “240 pages of affidavits” a judge had to actually read wherein 80% of them were things like “a poll worker wore a BLM mask”, 15% was “the observer thought there was fraud because they didn’t understand the process or perhaps even the meaning of the word fraud”, and 5% hearsay.

    And to top it all off, in a bout of extreme irony: Trump wants a partial recount of Wisconsin — just two heavy Democratic counties. You know, the thing Bush v. Gore had a lot to say about? And for what? No recount is going to close the gap there.

    They don’t even have a legal strategy beyond, I guess, try anything to delay certification, and they’re failing at that.

    I don’t even understand why they’re wasting the money, beyond ego.Report

    • Philip H in reply to JS says:

      Trump has built a business empire on running out the clock in litigation against all sorts of people.

      Plus if you want to cling to power by saying your opponent is illegitimate this is a great way to do it.Report

  4. Philip H says:

    The judge told Goldstein he read the petition, and asked him to confirm he isn’t claiming any fraud. Goldstein replied: “Your Honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step. And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the [Democratic National Committee] or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith. The DNC is coming with good faith. We’re all just trying to get an election done. We think these were a mistake, but we think they are a fatal mistake, and these ballots ought not be counted.”

    The judge replied: “I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”

    “To my knowledge at present, no,” Goldstein replied.

    The judge pressed on. “Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots?”

    “To my knowledge at present, no,” Goldstein replied.

    https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/exasperated-judges-question-trump-lawyers-on-election-claims-leading-to-one-nonzero-admissionReport

  5. The defeat in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was even more through than the 5-2 suggests. The dissenters wouldn’t have thrown out the ballots either.Report

  6. North says:

    Yeah this is just smoke and mirrors to entertain the rubes. Trump is walking out the door on inauguration day.Report

  7. George Turner says:

    Rudy is not at all a good lawyer anymore, especially at this level of practice. This is where you want future Supreme Court justice material presenting arguments, as happened in 2000, not TV attorneys.

    This particular legal case was staggeringly weak. Just because Republicans were denied proper access and oversight of the county process does not causally mean that Democrats were cheating. That would be like trying to convict somebody of theft, simply based on the fact that their buddy happened to be blocking the security camera. I don’t know of anyone sent to prison simply because a witness had their back turned, so that a crime might have occurred, when nobody could see. Before you establish aiding and abetting, you have to establish that a crime was being committed. That trail of argument doesn’t work in reverse.

    Pennsylvania is election rigging writ large, and the Republicans have to be able to defeat the Democrat position of “Yes, but we used such a wide variety of tricks that you’ll never be able to prove that just one type of fraud would’ve changed the result!” That is, indeed, a head scratcher.Report