They're using the USA as the example on how things should work.
The USA has a lot more resources and a lot less on the line. We fight optional wars far away from our own cities. Sometimes we give up and leave rather than make a bigger body count.
None of that has anything to do with Israel. WW2 is a much better comparison.
More importantly, Israel isn't going full out (especially by WW2 standards). Afaict, Israel is trying to follow the actual rules of war, however Hamas isn't.
Hamas not following the rules SHOULD mean Israel gets a pass on issues created by Hamas' various crimes.
For example Hamas using ambulances as troop carriers means Israel gets a pass on killing people in ambulances if it suspects that they're a troop carrier.
First, presumably the things that are normally illegal or banned are still illegal or banned so no, unlike in the Hunger Games they won't be killing each other.
2nd, humanizing immigrants would be a good thing. Game show logic suggests half of the contestants will be very attractive and so on.
So this could be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on who is running it.
The Gulf Kingdoms' leadership hate Hamas (i.e. the Muslim brotherhood) and correctly view it as a proxy for Iran. Their people don't like the war and Israel, but they don't write checks big enough to matter.
We should expect much anti-Israel rhetoric from the Gulf States but no actual action, including bribes to go easy on Hamas.
How much aid did we give Japan and Germany during WW2?
It's a war. The normal ethical rules of war mean Israel shouldn't be sending fuel, funds, and food to Hamas. What Israel should be doing is letting the civilians flee the war zone and get aid in other places.
I am a big believer in "the normal rules apply". There is no "Jewish" exception when it comes to threatening random people, calling for genocide, supporting terrorism, and so on.
That also means Israel is expected to go to war over things we'd go to war over. And that after you're in a war, war time ethics apply.
The Protesters call for genocide, threaten random Jews, support terrorism, and occasionally shut down the college. That guy in the link occasionally makes social media posts where he says he doesn't trust Jews.
So yes, the "protesters" are crossing lines he isn't and engage in behavior well past "protest". That wouldn't require the Feds to do anything if the college administration weren't determined to shield them from law enforcement and allow them to continue because Jews don't count.
The mistake was hiring him. He's doing things which are NOT compatible with his current job/role nor even compatible with his current organization.
This seems to be a deliberate move on his part. His explanation on what he's doing and why changes with every conversation. He's a firebrand, not because he believes in anything but because he wants to start fires.
This is self promotion at the expense of everyone else and I seriously doubt he's actually interested in young/old issues (or even issues in general) even if he's framing it that way this week.
He got into this by promoting gun control above all else, but that issue has apparently been dropped. Then he did anti-old-age, but his written explanation on what he was doing and why dropped that.
He simply wants power and attention and is throwing a big stunt to try to skip up several rungs of power.
Firing him is a forced move, he's going to burn stuff down until he's happy with his current level of power and that's never going to happen.
Syria is complex but my impression is the US backed groups aren't in charge.
The big group that did win used to be an ISIS offshoot. There are 7+ armed groups there and it's very possible that we'll see a new civil war start now that the previous civil war is over.
The right has plenty of anti-Semitism of it’s own that it hides up.
It has small hate groups which identify as Right. What does it have at an institutional level?
The problem with left anti-Semitism for the Democratic Party and mainstream liberals is that most of it comes from forces outside the Democratic Party.
We are currently trying to remove anti-Semitism from college policies and administration. How did "outside forces" create that? My strong impression is the Left faction which views the world as "white oppressors vs black victims" has decided Jews are white and therefore should be thrown under the bus in the Palestinian conflict(s).
The right and the left can’t make any positive arguments...
The Right wants to support Israel to prepare the way for Jesus coming back. IMHO this is a foolish reason but they're committed to it. In theory at that point Jews (and everyone else) will convert or die, but you should agree to disagree until after he actually shows up.
The Right is also forcing Colleges to deal with antisemitism. That's a rare good thing that Trump is doing even if he's being crass about it.
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Where the theory doesn't work you should change the theory, not insist that facts don't matter.
That means people expect them not to go full out.
They're using the USA as the example on how things should work.
The USA has a lot more resources and a lot less on the line. We fight optional wars far away from our own cities. Sometimes we give up and leave rather than make a bigger body count.
None of that has anything to do with Israel. WW2 is a much better comparison.
More importantly, Israel isn't going full out (especially by WW2 standards). Afaict, Israel is trying to follow the actual rules of war, however Hamas isn't.
Hamas not following the rules SHOULD mean Israel gets a pass on issues created by Hamas' various crimes.
For example Hamas using ambulances as troop carriers means Israel gets a pass on killing people in ambulances if it suspects that they're a troop carrier.
it’s war logic hasn’t applied since World War II.
Russia v Ukraine (or Russia v anyone).
ISIS v anyone.
Various other Middle East Wars.
Various African wars.
Israel stands out as the exception in terms of our expectations.
Fair point. I did a more detailed read on them and they've been for and against ISIS (etc). A good summation is "it's complicated".
First, presumably the things that are normally illegal or banned are still illegal or banned so no, unlike in the Hunger Games they won't be killing each other.
2nd, humanizing immigrants would be a good thing. Game show logic suggests half of the contestants will be very attractive and so on.
So this could be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on who is running it.
Unfortunately, those definitions either assume Hamas won't behave like Hamas or they have special carve outs for Jews.
Under normal rules fought be normal countries, one side doesn't need to supply it's enemies. We didn't put in special ethics for Jews nor should we.
The Gulf Kingdoms' leadership hate Hamas (i.e. the Muslim brotherhood) and correctly view it as a proxy for Iran. Their people don't like the war and Israel, but they don't write checks big enough to matter.
We should expect much anti-Israel rhetoric from the Gulf States but no actual action, including bribes to go easy on Hamas.
U.S. troubled by Gaza humanitarian situation
How much aid did we give Japan and Germany during WW2?
It's a war. The normal ethical rules of war mean Israel shouldn't be sending fuel, funds, and food to Hamas. What Israel should be doing is letting the civilians flee the war zone and get aid in other places.
I am a big believer in "the normal rules apply". There is no "Jewish" exception when it comes to threatening random people, calling for genocide, supporting terrorism, and so on.
That also means Israel is expected to go to war over things we'd go to war over. And that after you're in a war, war time ethics apply.
The Protesters call for genocide, threaten random Jews, support terrorism, and occasionally shut down the college. That guy in the link occasionally makes social media posts where he says he doesn't trust Jews.
So yes, the "protesters" are crossing lines he isn't and engage in behavior well past "protest". That wouldn't require the Feds to do anything if the college administration weren't determined to shield them from law enforcement and allow them to continue because Jews don't count.
...just made a raging anti-Semite a refugee to the United States
By that Logic we can "prove" that Biden is a member of a M13 or whatever that gang is.
The mistake was hiring him. He's doing things which are NOT compatible with his current job/role nor even compatible with his current organization.
This seems to be a deliberate move on his part. His explanation on what he's doing and why changes with every conversation. He's a firebrand, not because he believes in anything but because he wants to start fires.
This is self promotion at the expense of everyone else and I seriously doubt he's actually interested in young/old issues (or even issues in general) even if he's framing it that way this week.
He got into this by promoting gun control above all else, but that issue has apparently been dropped. Then he did anti-old-age, but his written explanation on what he was doing and why dropped that.
He simply wants power and attention and is throwing a big stunt to try to skip up several rungs of power.
Firing him is a forced move, he's going to burn stuff down until he's happy with his current level of power and that's never going to happen.
Syria is complex but my impression is the US backed groups aren't in charge.
The big group that did win used to be an ISIS offshoot. There are 7+ armed groups there and it's very possible that we'll see a new civil war start now that the previous civil war is over.
He's claimed his job as DNC Vice-Chair is to primary sitting Democrats based on [something].
The definition of that [something] changes every conversation.
Pretty sure these are the same Islamists we were told were "inclusive" and "should be given a chance" just last month.
Batteries require scarce minerals which make building anything at the needed scale a problem.
The right has plenty of anti-Semitism of it’s own that it hides up.
It has small hate groups which identify as Right. What does it have at an institutional level?
The problem with left anti-Semitism for the Democratic Party and mainstream liberals is that most of it comes from forces outside the Democratic Party.
We are currently trying to remove anti-Semitism from college policies and administration. How did "outside forces" create that? My strong impression is the Left faction which views the world as "white oppressors vs black victims" has decided Jews are white and therefore should be thrown under the bus in the Palestinian conflict(s).
The right and the left can’t make any positive arguments...
The Right wants to support Israel to prepare the way for Jesus coming back. IMHO this is a foolish reason but they're committed to it. In theory at that point Jews (and everyone else) will convert or die, but you should agree to disagree until after he actually shows up.
The Right is also forcing Colleges to deal with antisemitism. That's a rare good thing that Trump is doing even if he's being crass about it.