I'm pretty sure that we're *ALL* members of the press. When the First Amendment was written, "the press" was just a guy who had one. That's it.
If we want to argue that Mr. Metcalf was acting inappropriately by being somewhere that he wasn't wanted and that the people there had every right have him leave, well... I suppose that's one of those things that we're going to find the limits of in the next few months as the story unfolds.
Back in 2023, I failed the Turing Test for a few minutes before figuring out that it was just auto-complete with some extra steps.
And then you do stuff like contemplate consciousness and try to define it narrowly and then fail and then try to define it broadly and then fail and do some research and the thought "am *I* just auto-complete with a lot of extra steps?"
Anyway. The attempts to define any given concept wrt AI will eliminate humans. It's fine to eliminate, oh, up to 5%, I'd say. Hey, some folks just roll natural 1s.
Once we start defining stuff so that we're talking about 10% of people (or higher), I start to get nervous.
Oh, I thought it was building up to some variant of "that wasn't a big deal and you're silly for thinking it was" or "but that was good though" instead of some variant of "of course freedom of speech needs some limits but even members of the outgroup should recognize that this is a bridge too far!"
I believe that there is a restraining order against Mr. Metcalf as it pertains to Karmelo. Given that Karmelo was not there, the restraining order was not being violated.
In "Where are the Free Speech Abolutists?" discourse, apparently Karmelo Anthony is having a press conference and Austin Metcalf’s father has been asked to leave.
The police have been called.
What's the right play, people who cry out for where the Free Speech Absolutists are?
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OH YEAH WRESTLEMANIA
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Maggi Seasoning Sauce?
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Well, the good news is that the cops were called and the guy was removed without any particularly weird tasing incidents.
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Are you familiar with the fallacy "Begging the Question"?
It's an important one!
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As far as I can tell, the Republicans have a "whatabout" for every single "precedent" that the Democrats claim are being set.
The rubicon, they say, has already been crossed.
As such, the argument "what if the shoe were on the other foot?!?" becomes toothless. "What, you mean like last time?"
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I'm pretty sure that we're *ALL* members of the press. When the First Amendment was written, "the press" was just a guy who had one. That's it.
If we want to argue that Mr. Metcalf was acting inappropriately by being somewhere that he wasn't wanted and that the people there had every right have him leave, well... I suppose that's one of those things that we're going to find the limits of in the next few months as the story unfolds.
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Nothing to be done, I guess.
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Not to nitpick, but that excludes more than 5% of humans.
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They have already taken away the salad bars from Applebee's.
They have taken away the Ponderosas.
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Luigi Mangione has been indicted with something or other that makes him eligible for the death penalty.
So we get to get ready for *THAT* argument.
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Back in 2023, I failed the Turing Test for a few minutes before figuring out that it was just auto-complete with some extra steps.
And then you do stuff like contemplate consciousness and try to define it narrowly and then fail and then try to define it broadly and then fail and do some research and the thought "am *I* just auto-complete with a lot of extra steps?"
Anyway. The attempts to define any given concept wrt AI will eliminate humans. It's fine to eliminate, oh, up to 5%, I'd say. Hey, some folks just roll natural 1s.
Once we start defining stuff so that we're talking about 10% of people (or higher), I start to get nervous.
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Okay, Boomer.
I'm sure that things were awesome when you were a kid.
That's one of the things people are complaining about. That stuff has changed and you haven't even noticed.
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Oh, I thought it was building up to some variant of "that wasn't a big deal and you're silly for thinking it was" or "but that was good though" instead of some variant of "of course freedom of speech needs some limits but even members of the outgroup should recognize that this is a bridge too far!"
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The new one. So far, it's pretty good.
I still agree with the Pokemon test for AGI but this thing is getting to be seriously uncanny.
The argument that "intelligence must be X to be AGI" strikes me as an argument that eliminates more humans than is comfortable to exclude ChatGPT.
But if you want a bright line, it remains Pokemon.
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The alleged incident isn't the focus, Saul. I've said that already.
I'm asking about the free speech rights of the father to attend a press conference.
You can scroll up and see how we're talking about Free Speech Absolutism above, if you're interested in getting some of the context of the question.
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An exchange I just had with ChatGPT:
Me: Do you know what time it is?
ChatGPT: yeah, it's time for you to get a watch 😎
AGI confirmed.
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I believe that there is a restraining order against Mr. Metcalf as it pertains to Karmelo. Given that Karmelo was not there, the restraining order was not being violated.
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Hey, you're just acknowledging that, sometimes, actions have consequences.
Hey, have you seen that Popper's Paradox of Tolerance has been used to explain why anti-American students should be deported?
It's going around! Hey. Actions have consequences, after all.
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I don't believe he was spouting off.
He was merely present and, when asked to leave, refused to.
The cops were called on him.
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I'm not talking about whether the alleged death was justified. Who can say? People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, after all.
I'm asking about the free speech rights of Austin Metcalf's father to attend a press conference.
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In "Where are the Free Speech Abolutists?" discourse, apparently Karmelo Anthony is having a press conference and Austin Metcalf’s father has been asked to leave.
The police have been called.
What's the right play, people who cry out for where the Free Speech Absolutists are?
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Well, do everything you can in the meantime to explain how "freedom of speech doesn't mean *THAT*" to people. "Of course it has to have limits!"
Personally, I hope you fail to win that argument.
I suspect you'll succeed at making it, though. Good and hard.
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The first happened during my childhood (note, I'm in my early 50s). Why do you ask?
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It exists to prevent the day when you will be crying out "where are the people who believe in free speech?"
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The norm of "free speech" does not exist to protect Right Wingers from the wrong (perhaps even evil) things that they might want to say out loud.
That is a by-product, sure.
But that's not why it's important.