I agree with this but the Palestinians and Israel's other haters have never been known for rationality. Lots of people including Further Leftists believe precisely that Israel is "one glorious attack" away from being pushed into the sea.
I agree that Israel is a real country. You agree that Israel is a real country. Many of the surrounding countries also are increasingly agreeing that Israel is a real country even if reluctantly. The Palestinians by and large do not. There so called allies egg them on. They aren't going away though and I think Israel should just ditch the West Bank to get that albatross off their neck.
I've been looking at Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian propaganda a lot. Besides the fact that I'm obviously more sympathetic to Israel, I have no idea how it is supposed to help. On the other blog, there is a poster who points out that treating Palestinians as the ultimate indigenous victims, to be protected by White Savior activists against the mean Jews naturally, is not doing then any favors.
Look what the Taliban has been up to and that the International Caring Community hasn't said a word about. I, along with other Jews, have been moving in this direction for a few years before the Simchat Torah massacre and the Israel-Hamas War but there are some real big serious blind spots in how the various forms of the International Left sees Jews in general and Israel in particular compared to how they see Muslims in general and the Palestinians in particular. Jews are seen as white people cosplaying as a minority or at oppressed people. When we set up institutions it isn't a minority culture trying to preserve itself but white bougie people doing white bougie things, yes I mentioned this above.
But something about Islam just sets the hearts of the white savior activist left, the revolutionary left, and the International Caring Community heats fluttering. They see Muslim religious modesty clothing and turn it into a diversity symbol while they recoil in disgust at Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews. They would give the groups they care about everything on a silver platter while denying the Jews the same things. I despite the International Caring Community.
Now that read is comment, I agree that you are correct. I suppose the big dividing line in the I/P conflict is whether you consider Israel a real place or fake place. I consider Israel to be a real place or even the real place while Palestine seems like the more shaky construction. The enemies of Israel of different ideological backgrounds consider Israel to be the fake place and not a real true country while Palestine is the real place.
That's my point. The Palestinians and really their allies Muslim or Leftist generally refuse to move on. They are still going for only the total destruction of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews is true justice for Palestine. i have no idea what people expect Israel to do but manage this. But there are tens or hundreds of millions of people that really want all of Israel to be reversed down to everything built being gone.
I do not understand how people who can speak at great and elegant length about how bad the concept of the Jewish State is and how alienating it is for Muslims, can also go "duh oiy, Jews should have no problems what so ever living in an officially Muslim state that is part of a collection of other officially Muslim states/" The only explanation is that they simply don't care if Jews feel alienated and don't think Jews have group needs like the groups they care about do.
Fish you with you with your manifest bigotry comment. The problem with you Further Leftist types is that you don't consider Jews to be a real oppressed people but bougie white people masquerading but still want us to be support troops for you because of our history. You clearly don't place any great stock into Jewish survival or Jewish needs but expect us to quietly deal with exclusion and death. Decades, centuries, and thousands of years of Jewish life destroyed over night and it is "oh well, what can you do about it" and a demand support at the same time.
I am sick and tired of the entire one way street of Jewish-Muslims relations where all burden is on the Jews and we must show true respect but get the grudging tolerance given to an embarrassing older relative.that doesn't quite get it at best. That is simply not good enough. Why should Jews want to be second class citizens of a Muslim state? Why should we want to be in a place where we are so utterly dominated.
Israel might not mean very much to you but it means a lot of for us. Besides being the one sure refuge if we need one, and Israel has provided refugee for millions of Jews that needed a place to go sine 1948, it is also the one place in the world where we are not dominated. The culture, history, holidays, and literature are our own. But you deny us that to satisfy your ideological vanity and groups you are more romantically attracted to.
I see evidence for this on social media since on nearly every Pro-Israel thing you see on Facebook, you get people showing up ranting and raving about the "illegal state of Israel." They are never going to give up this ghost.
Does it? I am not sure this is necessarily the case but rather something people want to be true. I can believe that this might be true for a plurality or even a majority of sexual libertinism but all of it? Nah, not even close.
I actually think that the fact that Arabs and by extension other Muslims lost to Jews of all people is one reason why Israel is so traumatizing. I mean losing to another group known for waging war is one thing but losing to the Jews, especially after the Shoah, is just an incomprehensible defeat.
It probably is but many Jews have been feeling very isolated for years now. There is a growing feeling of being under assault from the Right and the Left.
I wouldn't say Hamas is getting stronger, much of their leadership is dead. They are just so ideological fanatical that they don't know how to give up the ghost.
This leads to another problem with the I/P conflict, the number of well-meaning Westerners that refuse to take the religious elements of the conflict seriously. Neither side in general, but the Palestinians and other Muslims in particular, aren't exactly shy at saying that they see this conflict in religious terms and Israel is a blot on all of Islam. They have said this repeatedly and release easily available propaganda to this effect. From what I can tell, there is just a big chunk of Westerners that refuse to take them seriously and go "oh, nobody can believe something this ridiculous" and "they really don't mean it" despite all evidence that they do mean it.
This is more about the general environment and the sheer presence of the Far Left. I see signs like "Israel is committing genocide" daily. One is a big sign visible from the train as I go to work. And yes, there are lots of people that pretend Hamas doesn't exist and acts like Israel launched an assault on Gaza just for the lulz or they pretend that Hamas is a civil rights organization.
This might be because I'm in one of the few areas in the United States where the Further Left is thickest on the ground and also spend a lot of time online, but I am really tired of all the people and organization that seems to forget that Hamas exists.
On a broader level, I am really tired how all the burdens in Jewish-Muslim relations are placed on the Jewish people. We are the ones who have to understand them but they don't have to understand us or why Israel is important to us at all. Likewise, I am really frustrated at all the groups demanding Jewish support because of our history but also saying that Jews are just white bougie people doing white bougie things rather than a minority culture that attempted to maintain our identity in the face of vast persecution.
From what I've seen online, which might be a skewed sample, most people seem to have fallen in love with Raygun like they did Eddie the Eagle back in the 1980s. I didn't see this as derision per se.
The United Statws has generally been treating Hamas like an actual negotiators to end the Israel-Hamas War. This action suggests that everybody is fed up with Hamas.
That is what happens in the head space because the Western Left and Liberals are more comfortable with it. DW Documentary had a documentary on the birth of Israel for Israel's 75 anniversary. While most of the focus was on Jews, they had some acceptable to the West Palestinian front people at the start of the documentary. One of them said that they didn't understand why this happened to them and that they always got along with their Jews.
Besides the fact that he was treating Jews more like pets than fellow citizens, this sounded exactly like White Southerners talking about how they always got along with their Blacks until outside agitators came along. There are Mizrahi Jews who have experienced life under Islam and their recollection of it is very different from what the Muslims say, especially if they are from Yemen or Iran. From what I can tell nobody listens to what actual Mizrahi Jews say about life under Islam accept other Jews and even then some don't because of ideology, so we get exchanges like this:
Intersectionalist: It is important to listen to the lived experience of miorities.
Mizrahi Jew: This is what life was like under Islam in Yemen...
Intersectionalist: Quiet you.
There is a weird sort of logic that goes "because of Islamophobia in the West, Muslims can't be persecutors when in the majority." This isn't done for any other group on the planet. The Left is very aware of what the Hinduvata people are doing in India or what Burmese Buddhists are doing in Myanmar despite Hinduism and Buddhism being minority religions in the West. With Islam, tribal politics or sometihng has basically prevented many people in the West from ever saying anytihng bad about Islam or Muslims. They just seem biologically incapable of doing this.
If you think that Israel just needs to take a certain amount of violence from Hamas, and by a certain amount I mean quite a lot and ignore things that would be causes of war in other places, than you should at least be brave enough to say so. Hamas is an utterly horrible organization that is being serious when it says "No Israel, No Jews" as the only just solution to it. Nobody has any idea how to peacefully dislodge Hamas because they aren't one of those types of governments that will respond to popular pressure against it like the Iranian clerical regime doesn't go.
For decades the Palestinians and really the rest of Islam have been fed a very steady diet of extreme anti-Semitism. The Western Left and Liberals has added and abetted in this anti-Semitism by taking what the Muslims say at face about Jewish and Muslim relationships at face value even if they would not if you replace Muslim with White Southerner and Jew with African-American. They just go for all these front people that are obviously lying out of their rear ends and don't have any real power. Since the world does not see Jews as a real people with a real culture and does not believe that we need what they grant their groups and other groups they care about, they are willing to lead us to total destruction to soothe their consciousness. Instead all burden on good relationships between Jews and Muslims is placed on the JEws.
On “The Party of the Middle”
Trump might have been moderate rhetorically on some issues but his actual practice was hardline Republican.
On “Open Mic for the week of 9/2/2024”
Profiles in a lack of courage.
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I agree with this but the Palestinians and Israel's other haters have never been known for rationality. Lots of people including Further Leftists believe precisely that Israel is "one glorious attack" away from being pushed into the sea.
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I agree that Israel is a real country. You agree that Israel is a real country. Many of the surrounding countries also are increasingly agreeing that Israel is a real country even if reluctantly. The Palestinians by and large do not. There so called allies egg them on. They aren't going away though and I think Israel should just ditch the West Bank to get that albatross off their neck.
I've been looking at Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian propaganda a lot. Besides the fact that I'm obviously more sympathetic to Israel, I have no idea how it is supposed to help. On the other blog, there is a poster who points out that treating Palestinians as the ultimate indigenous victims, to be protected by White Savior activists against the mean Jews naturally, is not doing then any favors.
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Endless military occupation isn't exactly a great alternative either.
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Look what the Taliban has been up to and that the International Caring Community hasn't said a word about. I, along with other Jews, have been moving in this direction for a few years before the Simchat Torah massacre and the Israel-Hamas War but there are some real big serious blind spots in how the various forms of the International Left sees Jews in general and Israel in particular compared to how they see Muslims in general and the Palestinians in particular. Jews are seen as white people cosplaying as a minority or at oppressed people. When we set up institutions it isn't a minority culture trying to preserve itself but white bougie people doing white bougie things, yes I mentioned this above.
But something about Islam just sets the hearts of the white savior activist left, the revolutionary left, and the International Caring Community heats fluttering. They see Muslim religious modesty clothing and turn it into a diversity symbol while they recoil in disgust at Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews. They would give the groups they care about everything on a silver platter while denying the Jews the same things. I despite the International Caring Community.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-_kUS4vc-O/?igsh=bTN4Z3Z0M2l5eGM4&fbclid=IwY2xjawFKCX9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHRvgufK-5-j3LgVKNrTnB6AQOqW758s3jVvhLN72wBY5pzoEGvSkPSgEoA_aem_bLq8ErKrPh4GwwWHF18NgQ
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Now that read is comment, I agree that you are correct. I suppose the big dividing line in the I/P conflict is whether you consider Israel a real place or fake place. I consider Israel to be a real place or even the real place while Palestine seems like the more shaky construction. The enemies of Israel of different ideological backgrounds consider Israel to be the fake place and not a real true country while Palestine is the real place.
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That's my point. The Palestinians and really their allies Muslim or Leftist generally refuse to move on. They are still going for only the total destruction of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews is true justice for Palestine. i have no idea what people expect Israel to do but manage this. But there are tens or hundreds of millions of people that really want all of Israel to be reversed down to everything built being gone.
"
I do not understand how people who can speak at great and elegant length about how bad the concept of the Jewish State is and how alienating it is for Muslims, can also go "duh oiy, Jews should have no problems what so ever living in an officially Muslim state that is part of a collection of other officially Muslim states/" The only explanation is that they simply don't care if Jews feel alienated and don't think Jews have group needs like the groups they care about do.
"
Fish you with you with your manifest bigotry comment. The problem with you Further Leftist types is that you don't consider Jews to be a real oppressed people but bougie white people masquerading but still want us to be support troops for you because of our history. You clearly don't place any great stock into Jewish survival or Jewish needs but expect us to quietly deal with exclusion and death. Decades, centuries, and thousands of years of Jewish life destroyed over night and it is "oh well, what can you do about it" and a demand support at the same time.
I am sick and tired of the entire one way street of Jewish-Muslims relations where all burden is on the Jews and we must show true respect but get the grudging tolerance given to an embarrassing older relative.that doesn't quite get it at best. That is simply not good enough. Why should Jews want to be second class citizens of a Muslim state? Why should we want to be in a place where we are so utterly dominated.
Israel might not mean very much to you but it means a lot of for us. Besides being the one sure refuge if we need one, and Israel has provided refugee for millions of Jews that needed a place to go sine 1948, it is also the one place in the world where we are not dominated. The culture, history, holidays, and literature are our own. But you deny us that to satisfy your ideological vanity and groups you are more romantically attracted to.
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I see evidence for this on social media since on nearly every Pro-Israel thing you see on Facebook, you get people showing up ranting and raving about the "illegal state of Israel." They are never going to give up this ghost.
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From what I've heard, most polyamorous couples are childless.
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Does it? I am not sure this is necessarily the case but rather something people want to be true. I can believe that this might be true for a plurality or even a majority of sexual libertinism but all of it? Nah, not even close.
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I actually think that the fact that Arabs and by extension other Muslims lost to Jews of all people is one reason why Israel is so traumatizing. I mean losing to another group known for waging war is one thing but losing to the Jews, especially after the Shoah, is just an incomprehensible defeat.
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It probably is but many Jews have been feeling very isolated for years now. There is a growing feeling of being under assault from the Right and the Left.
"
I wouldn't say Hamas is getting stronger, much of their leadership is dead. They are just so ideological fanatical that they don't know how to give up the ghost.
This leads to another problem with the I/P conflict, the number of well-meaning Westerners that refuse to take the religious elements of the conflict seriously. Neither side in general, but the Palestinians and other Muslims in particular, aren't exactly shy at saying that they see this conflict in religious terms and Israel is a blot on all of Islam. They have said this repeatedly and release easily available propaganda to this effect. From what I can tell, there is just a big chunk of Westerners that refuse to take them seriously and go "oh, nobody can believe something this ridiculous" and "they really don't mean it" despite all evidence that they do mean it.
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This is more about the general environment and the sheer presence of the Far Left. I see signs like "Israel is committing genocide" daily. One is a big sign visible from the train as I go to work. And yes, there are lots of people that pretend Hamas doesn't exist and acts like Israel launched an assault on Gaza just for the lulz or they pretend that Hamas is a civil rights organization.
"
This might be because I'm in one of the few areas in the United States where the Further Left is thickest on the ground and also spend a lot of time online, but I am really tired of all the people and organization that seems to forget that Hamas exists.
On a broader level, I am really tired how all the burdens in Jewish-Muslim relations are placed on the Jewish people. We are the ones who have to understand them but they don't have to understand us or why Israel is important to us at all. Likewise, I am really frustrated at all the groups demanding Jewish support because of our history but also saying that Jews are just white bougie people doing white bougie things rather than a minority culture that attempted to maintain our identity in the face of vast persecution.
On “Requiem for Raygun”
From what I've seen online, which might be a skewed sample, most people seem to have fallen in love with Raygun like they did Eddie the Eagle back in the 1980s. I didn't see this as derision per se.
On “Open Mic for the week of 9/2/2024”
The United Statws has generally been treating Hamas like an actual negotiators to end the Israel-Hamas War. This action suggests that everybody is fed up with Hamas.
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U.S. charges Hamas leadership with crimes.
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That is what happens in the head space because the Western Left and Liberals are more comfortable with it. DW Documentary had a documentary on the birth of Israel for Israel's 75 anniversary. While most of the focus was on Jews, they had some acceptable to the West Palestinian front people at the start of the documentary. One of them said that they didn't understand why this happened to them and that they always got along with their Jews.
Besides the fact that he was treating Jews more like pets than fellow citizens, this sounded exactly like White Southerners talking about how they always got along with their Blacks until outside agitators came along. There are Mizrahi Jews who have experienced life under Islam and their recollection of it is very different from what the Muslims say, especially if they are from Yemen or Iran. From what I can tell nobody listens to what actual Mizrahi Jews say about life under Islam accept other Jews and even then some don't because of ideology, so we get exchanges like this:
Intersectionalist: It is important to listen to the lived experience of miorities.
Mizrahi Jew: This is what life was like under Islam in Yemen...
Intersectionalist: Quiet you.
There is a weird sort of logic that goes "because of Islamophobia in the West, Muslims can't be persecutors when in the majority." This isn't done for any other group on the planet. The Left is very aware of what the Hinduvata people are doing in India or what Burmese Buddhists are doing in Myanmar despite Hinduism and Buddhism being minority religions in the West. With Islam, tribal politics or sometihng has basically prevented many people in the West from ever saying anytihng bad about Islam or Muslims. They just seem biologically incapable of doing this.
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Hamas releases propaganda video of the six dead Jews:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-publishes-propaganda-footage-of-six-murdered-hostages/
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If you think that Israel just needs to take a certain amount of violence from Hamas, and by a certain amount I mean quite a lot and ignore things that would be causes of war in other places, than you should at least be brave enough to say so. Hamas is an utterly horrible organization that is being serious when it says "No Israel, No Jews" as the only just solution to it. Nobody has any idea how to peacefully dislodge Hamas because they aren't one of those types of governments that will respond to popular pressure against it like the Iranian clerical regime doesn't go.
For decades the Palestinians and really the rest of Islam have been fed a very steady diet of extreme anti-Semitism. The Western Left and Liberals has added and abetted in this anti-Semitism by taking what the Muslims say at face about Jewish and Muslim relationships at face value even if they would not if you replace Muslim with White Southerner and Jew with African-American. They just go for all these front people that are obviously lying out of their rear ends and don't have any real power. Since the world does not see Jews as a real people with a real culture and does not believe that we need what they grant their groups and other groups they care about, they are willing to lead us to total destruction to soothe their consciousness. Instead all burden on good relationships between Jews and Muslims is placed on the JEws.
On “Open Mic for the week of 8/26/2024”
In a just world, the protestors would be taught a lesson they would never forget.
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