One think that many non-Jews simply don't understand is how most Jews in the entire world, not just in Israel, really and I mean really hate Hamas and want it gone. The latest murder has basically been an out pouring of grief on my social media feed from Jews I know in real life and online. Fish Hamas. Everyone of them deserves to die.
I agree with you on all of this and I'm not sure if any other realistic Israeli PM would have acted differently than Netanyahu. The problem is that there are lots of people who generally don't like what the Palestinians in Gaza have to go through because of Hamas' fanaticism for whatever reason.
I don't think this accurate. Hamas reminds me of the more fanatical and insane members of the Japanese Imperial government at the end of World War II. The types that wanted to force a ground invasion. The slightly more rational members are the types who thought that Japan would be able to keep most of it's colonies.
Most Israelis do not like Netanyahu's government and think he really bungled things up since 10/7. They aren't that sympathetic towards the Palestinians either.
Whatever McGill University decides to do, the protestors are going to be shocked to find out that their actions have consequences. My guess is ultimately that McGill University will decide to do nothing.
It could also be in response to the DNC speech of his parents. Hamas is lying when they say they have no idea where the hostages are. We are also supposed to pretend that this is true though. I am tired of all the humanitarian aid ads by the International Caring Community that conveniently forget that Hamas exists and started the war, are getting their asses handed to them, but are still negotiating like they are winning everything.
I find this entirely less amusing than you do. It is very bewildering. I'm not remotely sympathetic to the Palestinians generally but they have the worst allies possible.
I just have no idea what the protestors political strategy is in this case. There are some rather good and simple arguments that they can make in this case like Israel losing the moral high ground in this war due to the excessive response to 10/7 that leaved many more Palestinians dead. Rather than make these simple and good arguments, they are going straight into the entire Israel is an ipso facto illegitimate settler-colonial state and engaging in stunts that just pisses everybody off.
I am much less amused or tolerant of all the tolerated anti-Semitism among Arabs, Muslims, or just about anyone then you are. Any slight criticism an Israeli Jew or Doaspora Jew might have of a Palestinian, Arab, or Muslim is treated as a big problem and horrible racism that must be dealt with immediately. Frequent and common rank Jew hatred is an “oh well, what can you do about it” and you need to understand.
I'd add that these are very skilled propagandists who are great at using motte and bailey arguments. Nearly all of their propaganda points are technically correct in some way that they can retreat into if somebody calls them out.
I am finding the entire Pro-Palestinian movement to be insane and living in an alternate reality. There are posts on Facebook that present the British Mandate Palestinian passport as a Palestinian passport like there used to be a country called Palestine with foreign relations and everything that was destroyed by "evil Zionists" rather than a British colony that was formerly part of the Ottoman Empire.
There are no indications whether the people in these passports are Arabs or Jews but rather than the creation of a false reality that there was an Arab country called Palestine. It is sort of like how the all Jewish football team of the Mandate was presented as a "Palestinian" football team a few years ago.
Nobody seems remotely interested in stopping these crazy propagandists from creating their alternative reality. People laugh them off but I don't find it that funny. There are all these allusions to allege moderates but nobody can name them.
I just have no idea what the Pro-Palestinian faction is up to with actions like this. It is just so wrapped up the culture of the Further Left that they don't know how to reach out to ordinary people and voters. Incoming students at MIT have been handed flyers to the Mapping Project, which is apparently an interactive map that doxes Jewish institutions in Boston with connections to Israel:
Can you actually say what side you are on? I'm not a fan of the Pro-Palestinian movement in the United States either but when you post stuff like this, it seems like you are more like somebody looking at the chaos from afar with glee rather than being for or against something.
Like I really disagree with Chris and a few others about this issue and many other issues but I at least know what they believe. There is some courage in that. I have no idea what you believe in.
Should that matter? These people should know better and the continual application of American race understandings outside the United States doesn't really help things or make much sense. The logic that because the Jews are wypipo and privileged in the United States, therefore they are wypipo everywhere is incredibly dumb.
I think I am seeing to see one of the attractions to STEM heavy public education, it avoids fights between the population groups because the humanities can be filled with tension. California requires high schools to teach ethnic studies as part of the curriculum. In the wake of the Israel-Hamas War, Jewish parents have alleged that many of these ethnic studies have become vehicles to teach anti-Semitism and teach a very distorted history of Zionism and Israel that presents Zionism as a form of settler-colonialism rather than as Jewish self-determination. There has been an attempt at creating a guardrail bill to prevent this but this bill is being opposed by educators and an Islamic Civil Rights organization. On non-Israel issues, Jewish parents think that the ethnic studies requirement places Jews firmly in the wypipo category rather than deal with how Jews were really seen in Europe.
There is obviously no way to thread the needle between these two divergent world views. Most of the educators and activists behind the ethnic studies requirements have contradictory views about Jews, Israel, and Zionism than most Jews. American Jews are determined to fight back against this and the Intersectionalists want to go forward no matter what. I think many politicians see the beauty of STEM as avoiding these sorts of controversies.
I get that the logic of capitalism can get very cold but it doesn't look great that the money people can just shut down profitable businesses because something more valuable to them might come along. Very few people are going to accept a world where everybody but the wealthiest are totally exposed to the wolves without any protections. A restaurant is one thing but it could also be a law firm or something with clients with more serious needs that gets destroyed on a whim.
Trump says this like it's a bad thing:
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1792661626782437831?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1792661626782437831%7Ctwgr%5E3a5b5a5787516ee0f7196fa8a702187268ba9a73%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefaultf%3Dlawyersgunsmoneyblog-comt_i%3D14399620https3A2F2Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com2F3Fp3D143996t_u%3Dhttps3A2F2Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com2F20242F082Fsay-what-you-meant_e%3DSay20What20You20Meant_d%3DSay20What20You20Mean20-20Lawyers2C20Guns202620Moneyt_t%3DSay20What20You20Means_o%3Ddescversion%3D4cca83b0da0691f931ef86061fb7db43
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One think that many non-Jews simply don't understand is how most Jews in the entire world, not just in Israel, really and I mean really hate Hamas and want it gone. The latest murder has basically been an out pouring of grief on my social media feed from Jews I know in real life and online. Fish Hamas. Everyone of them deserves to die.
On “Open Mic for the week of 8/26/2024”
I agree with you on all of this and I'm not sure if any other realistic Israeli PM would have acted differently than Netanyahu. The problem is that there are lots of people who generally don't like what the Palestinians in Gaza have to go through because of Hamas' fanaticism for whatever reason.
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I don't think this accurate. Hamas reminds me of the more fanatical and insane members of the Japanese Imperial government at the end of World War II. The types that wanted to force a ground invasion. The slightly more rational members are the types who thought that Japan would be able to keep most of it's colonies.
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Most Israelis do not like Netanyahu's government and think he really bungled things up since 10/7. They aren't that sympathetic towards the Palestinians either.
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Major strike in Israel planned for tomorrow against Netanyahu:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/01/world/hostages-strike-israel-gaza-war
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Whatever McGill University decides to do, the protestors are going to be shocked to find out that their actions have consequences. My guess is ultimately that McGill University will decide to do nothing.
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It could also be in response to the DNC speech of his parents. Hamas is lying when they say they have no idea where the hostages are. We are also supposed to pretend that this is true though. I am tired of all the humanitarian aid ads by the International Caring Community that conveniently forget that Hamas exists and started the war, are getting their asses handed to them, but are still negotiating like they are winning everything.
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I find this entirely less amusing than you do. It is very bewildering. I'm not remotely sympathetic to the Palestinians generally but they have the worst allies possible.
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I just have no idea what the protestors political strategy is in this case. There are some rather good and simple arguments that they can make in this case like Israel losing the moral high ground in this war due to the excessive response to 10/7 that leaved many more Palestinians dead. Rather than make these simple and good arguments, they are going straight into the entire Israel is an ipso facto illegitimate settler-colonial state and engaging in stunts that just pisses everybody off.
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Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the son of the Israeli-American couple that spoke at the DNC, has been found dead in Gaza with six other hostages in Rafah.
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I am much less amused or tolerant of all the tolerated anti-Semitism among Arabs, Muslims, or just about anyone then you are. Any slight criticism an Israeli Jew or Doaspora Jew might have of a Palestinian, Arab, or Muslim is treated as a big problem and horrible racism that must be dealt with immediately. Frequent and common rank Jew hatred is an “oh well, what can you do about it” and you need to understand.
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Is there anything that will cause you to believe the Pro-Palestinian movement either crossed the line or are at least engaging in ineffective tactics?
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I'd add that these are very skilled propagandists who are great at using motte and bailey arguments. Nearly all of their propaganda points are technically correct in some way that they can retreat into if somebody calls them out.
"
I am finding the entire Pro-Palestinian movement to be insane and living in an alternate reality. There are posts on Facebook that present the British Mandate Palestinian passport as a Palestinian passport like there used to be a country called Palestine with foreign relations and everything that was destroyed by "evil Zionists" rather than a British colony that was formerly part of the Ottoman Empire.
There are no indications whether the people in these passports are Arabs or Jews but rather than the creation of a false reality that there was an Arab country called Palestine. It is sort of like how the all Jewish football team of the Mandate was presented as a "Palestinian" football team a few years ago.
Nobody seems remotely interested in stopping these crazy propagandists from creating their alternative reality. People laugh them off but I don't find it that funny. There are all these allusions to allege moderates but nobody can name them.
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Do you have anything you actually believe in that you are willing to come out and just say in plain language?
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Here is the official statement from MIT on what I wrote about:
https://president.mit.edu/writing-speeches/rejecting-antisemitism
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I just have no idea what the Pro-Palestinian faction is up to with actions like this. It is just so wrapped up the culture of the Further Left that they don't know how to reach out to ordinary people and voters. Incoming students at MIT have been handed flyers to the Mapping Project, which is apparently an interactive map that doxes Jewish institutions in Boston with connections to Israel:
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-816981#google_vignette
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The war of all against all.
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Can you actually say what side you are on? I'm not a fan of the Pro-Palestinian movement in the United States either but when you post stuff like this, it seems like you are more like somebody looking at the chaos from afar with glee rather than being for or against something.
Like I really disagree with Chris and a few others about this issue and many other issues but I at least know what they believe. There is some courage in that. I have no idea what you believe in.
"
Should that matter? These people should know better and the continual application of American race understandings outside the United States doesn't really help things or make much sense. The logic that because the Jews are wypipo and privileged in the United States, therefore they are wypipo everywhere is incredibly dumb.
"
I think I am seeing to see one of the attractions to STEM heavy public education, it avoids fights between the population groups because the humanities can be filled with tension. California requires high schools to teach ethnic studies as part of the curriculum. In the wake of the Israel-Hamas War, Jewish parents have alleged that many of these ethnic studies have become vehicles to teach anti-Semitism and teach a very distorted history of Zionism and Israel that presents Zionism as a form of settler-colonialism rather than as Jewish self-determination. There has been an attempt at creating a guardrail bill to prevent this but this bill is being opposed by educators and an Islamic Civil Rights organization. On non-Israel issues, Jewish parents think that the ethnic studies requirement places Jews firmly in the wypipo category rather than deal with how Jews were really seen in Europe.
There is obviously no way to thread the needle between these two divergent world views. Most of the educators and activists behind the ethnic studies requirements have contradictory views about Jews, Israel, and Zionism than most Jews. American Jews are determined to fight back against this and the Intersectionalists want to go forward no matter what. I think many politicians see the beauty of STEM as avoiding these sorts of controversies.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/08/27/bill-adding-guardrails-to-mandated-ethnic-studies-courses-pushed-to-next-year/
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Fahran Kadi, a middle aged Bedouin man from the Negev, has been freed from Hamas captivity by the IDF:
https://www.jns.org/israeli-forces-rescue-alive-a-hostage-in-the-southern-gaza-strip/
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I get that the logic of capitalism can get very cold but it doesn't look great that the money people can just shut down profitable businesses because something more valuable to them might come along. Very few people are going to accept a world where everybody but the wealthiest are totally exposed to the wolves without any protections. A restaurant is one thing but it could also be a law firm or something with clients with more serious needs that gets destroyed on a whim.
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Raises hand.
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Trump says this like it's a bad thing:
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1792661626782437831?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1792661626782437831%7Ctwgr%5E3a5b5a5787516ee0f7196fa8a702187268ba9a73%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefaultf%3Dlawyersgunsmoneyblog-comt_i%3D14399620https3A2F2Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com2F3Fp3D143996t_u%3Dhttps3A2F2Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com2F20242F082Fsay-what-you-meant_e%3DSay20What20You20Meant_d%3DSay20What20You20Mean20-20Lawyers2C20Guns202620Moneyt_t%3DSay20What20You20Means_o%3Ddescversion%3D4cca83b0da0691f931ef86061fb7db43
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