Do not blatantly allow people in prison to commit more crimes while in prison...
A very good idea, but we shouldn't insist that we have perfect prisons before we decide that maybe having mixed gender prisons is a bad idea.
there are almost no meaningful statistics _at all_ on trans people and criminality. No one collects those.
Or maybe the results aren't what we'd like to see? I see serious results on trans victimization but there's nothing on the reverse.
Trans advocates claim 21% of transgender women have spent time in prison or jail, compared to only 5% of all U.S. adults. Not sure those are meaningful numbers without a further breakdown.
unclear why we should care about ‘statistical rate of sex crimes’ when deciding where to send people.
I'd think that's exactly what we'd be concerned about.
Send the trans women to... women’s prisons, where they are not actually likely to rape but could’.
You are assuming trans-women prisoners behave like women and not men. In order to make that assumption you handwaved my various links as "misleading statistics" and didn't supply any of your own (to be fair I can't find any either).
Briefly looking over existing stats, I'd say trans people are horrifically abused in general and especially by the criminal justice system.
That doesn't answer the issue on whether they behave more like men or like women as far as aggression is concerned. The sound of crickets chirping from the groups that clearly are gathering data doesn't suggest good things.
We have something like 5k trans criminals in state prisons. That seems large enough to have their own prison(s).
The link you used to support Trans in sports had them as the original source on what should be done. Their actual opinion is not what was represented and only makes sense if we pretend men aren't bigger, stronger, and so on.
Google’s AI cannot agree or disagree with anyone.
I'll rephrase. When I search for NOW supporting eliminating women's sports I get no useful links and an AI saying the opposite. When I asked you for links you gave me individuals who seem to believe men and women aren't different.
So please supply a link to NOW supporting the elimination of women's sports.
Supporting a constitutional amendment that would outlaw the operation of women’s sports teams...
That's your spin on their spin on an amendment that won't pass.
even if these differences turn out to be inherent instead of support and training:
This is like saying, "even if the sun is proven to always rise in the East". Men being bigger and stronger is a fact.
Big picture men as a class are 2 full standard deviations bigger than women and are also stronger at the same weight. STD math is grim at the tails.
In sports were small advantages matter a lot, those are massive advantages.
However I expect Israel to stay in there a while longer. 3% of reservists protesting in a country that uses the draft implies strong support, not opposition.
there are likely some women who’d do well in major men’s sports
We occasionally see female football kickers in college. Sarah Fuller. Leilani Armenta (see link). First one was Tonya Butler in 2003 so it's been acceptable since at least then.
NOW is, in fact, lobbying for dissolving women’s sports, and always done so.
Google's AI disagrees with you. Your own links supply data showing women would be crushed head to head even though they reach the opposite conclusion through magic thinking.
laws barring trans athletes from women’s sports.
When I look at what the International Federation of Sports Medicine actually says, they disagree with themselves.
FIMS recognizes the importance of fair competition and the need to ensure that transgender athletes do not have a disproportionate advantage over their cisgender peers. Evidence-Based Approach: FIMS supports the use of scientific evidence to inform eligibility criteria and policies for transgender athletes
If we assume that there are no performance differences between men and women on the field, then there is no reason to discriminate against trans athletes.
If we recognize there is a 10% overall difference (your link, although it goes from 5% to more than 30% depending on sport), then women will lose and trans-women should be banned.
That 5% was in 800m free style and ignores how massive 5% is.
At the last Olympics the top 26 male athletes had times better than the female world record. 28 of them did better than the female gold metal winner. And that's in the sport your own link claimed was the closest.
However, as neither of those proposals are on the table, I don’t know why we’re talking about them.
You have made the claim that there is no legal reason to separate men and women. So yes, you were indeed arguing for intersex prisons.
If you are agreeing that it's a bad idea, then the next question is whether we should expect trans-women to have a violence rate roughly equal to men or roughly equal to women.
Some of my previous links included claims that trans-women who are prison inmates have sex crime rates a lot closer to what we'd expect for men than women.
I grew up with dogs and during my marriage we had a dog. When my youngest and I moved to Florida she talked me into getting a cat. Cats and Dogs both have their points, but cats are much less maintenance.
The cat is a true emotional support animal for her so I'm really glad we got him. He fits our current lifestyle better because we don't have a yard.
The feminist position was, and always has been, that women should be allowed to play with them men.
Then they'll lose in most sports. Badly. The best female tennis player in history (Serena Williams) got crushed by the number #200+ male, so all of the top #100 players would be male. This is also true in track and field, basketball, football, weight lifting, swimming, and so on.
Why would be a good thing? Who exactly is arguing for this?
And you totally ignored the result of merging prisons, i.e. the females will get raped.
A lot of this comes down to whether or not men and women are different. That's why I keep bringing up "bigger, stronger, and more aggressive" and is also why I get no reply on those points.
If we pretend that those aren't issues, then everything has to be motivated by trans-phobia.
In reality, men are two full standard deviations bigger than women, stronger at the same size, and so violent that men commit the vast majority of violent crimes.
I've heard that Amazon Haul suffers from competing with Amazon itself. Amazon won't allow Haul to steal too much of it's profits so what it's allowed to offer is very limited.
As a class, men are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive. So yes, trans men aren't considered a threat.
Phil: all the hullabaloo about protecting women’s spaces heaps insults on women AND defies statistical analysis
In athletics, I'd say we're well past "statistical analysis" and are finding that "men being bigger and stronger" is why we have women's sports.
Similarly we're starting to see reports that trans-women are a lot more violent than women. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
Shockingly, Trump and his crew didn't handle this issue competently.
Big picture we have laws and rules designed to protect women from men. As a class, men are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive. How these rules and laws interact with men who identify as women hasn't been worked out.
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We are far, FAR past zero information voters, and so far into negative information, with no pushback or correction by the media...
Yes.
Not sure what we do about that. My hope is voters realize just how much damage he's done to the economy after the fact.
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Assuming prisons exist...
Prisons existing is a fact.
Do not blatantly allow people in prison to commit more crimes while in prison...
A very good idea, but we shouldn't insist that we have perfect prisons before we decide that maybe having mixed gender prisons is a bad idea.
there are almost no meaningful statistics _at all_ on trans people and criminality. No one collects those.
Or maybe the results aren't what we'd like to see? I see serious results on trans victimization but there's nothing on the reverse.
Trans advocates claim 21% of transgender women have spent time in prison or jail, compared to only 5% of all U.S. adults. Not sure those are meaningful numbers without a further breakdown.
unclear why we should care about ‘statistical rate of sex crimes’ when deciding where to send people.
I'd think that's exactly what we'd be concerned about.
Send the trans women to... women’s prisons, where they are not actually likely to rape but could’.
You are assuming trans-women prisoners behave like women and not men. In order to make that assumption you handwaved my various links as "misleading statistics" and didn't supply any of your own (to be fair I can't find any either).
Briefly looking over existing stats, I'd say trans people are horrifically abused in general and especially by the criminal justice system.
That doesn't answer the issue on whether they behave more like men or like women as far as aggression is concerned. The sound of crickets chirping from the groups that clearly are gathering data doesn't suggest good things.
We have something like 5k trans criminals in state prisons. That seems large enough to have their own prison(s).
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International Federation of Sports Medicine
The link you used to support Trans in sports had them as the original source on what should be done. Their actual opinion is not what was represented and only makes sense if we pretend men aren't bigger, stronger, and so on.
Google’s AI cannot agree or disagree with anyone.
I'll rephrase. When I search for NOW supporting eliminating women's sports I get no useful links and an AI saying the opposite. When I asked you for links you gave me individuals who seem to believe men and women aren't different.
So please supply a link to NOW supporting the elimination of women's sports.
Supporting a constitutional amendment that would outlaw the operation of women’s sports teams...
That's your spin on their spin on an amendment that won't pass.
even if these differences turn out to be inherent instead of support and training:
This is like saying, "even if the sun is proven to always rise in the East". Men being bigger and stronger is a fact.
Big picture men as a class are 2 full standard deviations bigger than women and are also stronger at the same weight. STD math is grim at the tails.
In sports were small advantages matter a lot, those are massive advantages.
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Philip: A great many voters of all stripes fail to see clear policy differences between the two parties as they exist now.
That is less true now.
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The Oakland Athletics (Oakland A's) called up Kelsie Whitmore from the Oakland Ballers.
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Netanyahu should be replaced for lots of reasons.
However I expect Israel to stay in there a while longer. 3% of reservists protesting in a country that uses the draft implies strong support, not opposition.
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there are likely some women who’d do well in major men’s sports
We occasionally see female football kickers in college. Sarah Fuller. Leilani Armenta (see link). First one was Tonya Butler in 2003 so it's been acceptable since at least then.
https://gojsutigers.com/sports/football/roster/leilani-armenta/4416
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NOW is, in fact, lobbying for dissolving women’s sports, and always done so.
Google's AI disagrees with you. Your own links supply data showing women would be crushed head to head even though they reach the opposite conclusion through magic thinking.
laws barring trans athletes from women’s sports.
When I look at what the International Federation of Sports Medicine actually says, they disagree with themselves.
FIMS recognizes the importance of fair competition and the need to ensure that transgender athletes do not have a disproportionate advantage over their cisgender peers. Evidence-Based Approach: FIMS supports the use of scientific evidence to inform eligibility criteria and policies for transgender athletes
If we assume that there are no performance differences between men and women on the field, then there is no reason to discriminate against trans athletes.
If we recognize there is a 10% overall difference (your link, although it goes from 5% to more than 30% depending on sport), then women will lose and trans-women should be banned.
That 5% was in 800m free style and ignores how massive 5% is.
At the last Olympics the top 26 male athletes had times better than the female world record. 28 of them did better than the female gold metal winner. And that's in the sport your own link claimed was the closest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_swimming
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12k out of 465k. So about 3%
And I'm sorry, but hostage taking is something that should be punished, not rewarded.
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Yes. It's his equiv of TCF.
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If sane people refuse to talk to Trump then everything he hears will be from inside his bubble.
Whitmer should be telling him that his tariffs are going to crush Michigan's auto industry.
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However, as neither of those proposals are on the table, I don’t know why we’re talking about them.
You have made the claim that there is no legal reason to separate men and women. So yes, you were indeed arguing for intersex prisons.
If you are agreeing that it's a bad idea, then the next question is whether we should expect trans-women to have a violence rate roughly equal to men or roughly equal to women.
Some of my previous links included claims that trans-women who are prison inmates have sex crime rates a lot closer to what we'd expect for men than women.
Hey, did you Google v-coding yet?
Yes. It's heinous.
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Please supply links to a few of these groups calling for sports to be mixed by eliminating women's sports.
Ideally that would be women's rights groups.
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I grew up with dogs and during my marriage we had a dog. When my youngest and I moved to Florida she talked me into getting a cat. Cats and Dogs both have their points, but cats are much less maintenance.
The cat is a true emotional support animal for her so I'm really glad we got him. He fits our current lifestyle better because we don't have a yard.
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...prisons... have pretty serious problem with the entire carceral system
Do we agree that these problems would be made much worse merging the female and male prisons?
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The feminist position was, and always has been, that women should be allowed to play with them men.
Then they'll lose in most sports. Badly. The best female tennis player in history (Serena Williams) got crushed by the number #200+ male, so all of the top #100 players would be male. This is also true in track and field, basketball, football, weight lifting, swimming, and so on.
Why would be a good thing? Who exactly is arguing for this?
And you totally ignored the result of merging prisons, i.e. the females will get raped.
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A lot of this comes down to whether or not men and women are different. That's why I keep bringing up "bigger, stronger, and more aggressive" and is also why I get no reply on those points.
If we pretend that those aren't issues, then everything has to be motivated by trans-phobia.
In reality, men are two full standard deviations bigger than women, stronger at the same size, and so violent that men commit the vast majority of violent crimes.
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...women should be treated the same as men under the law and by society.
We have women's sports and women's prisons for good reason. I've never heard of "feminists" calling for those to be merged.
If we do merge them, the instant result is woman won't be competitive in multiple sports and female prisoners will be raped on a regular basis.
Further, I don't remember seeing mixed shower rooms outside of a few SciFi movies and public bathrooms are also segregated.
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Fair enough. But we still have the issue that men are bigger, stronger, and way more violent than women.
Ergo we should expect that trans-women are too. If there's some reason we shouldn't expect that, please put it on the table.
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Looks like war between India and Pakistan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXGr_08t3io
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I've heard that Amazon Haul suffers from competing with Amazon itself. Amazon won't allow Haul to steal too much of it's profits so what it's allowed to offer is very limited.
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We have enough taxes to make this work if we'd make HC a lot more efficient.
Similarly our infrastructure creation is extremely inefficient.
Fixing these things are political issues. The cost of not fixing them is not having money for other things.
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Phil: trans men are apparently not a threat.
As a class, men are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive. So yes, trans men aren't considered a threat.
Phil: all the hullabaloo about protecting women’s spaces heaps insults on women AND defies statistical analysis
In athletics, I'd say we're well past "statistical analysis" and are finding that "men being bigger and stronger" is why we have women's sports.
Similarly we're starting to see reports that trans-women are a lot more violent than women. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
https://legislature.maine.gov/testimony/resources/CJPS20210518Gingrich132664242197478414.pdf
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Shockingly, Trump and his crew didn't handle this issue competently.
Big picture we have laws and rules designed to protect women from men. As a class, men are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive. How these rules and laws interact with men who identify as women hasn't been worked out.
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If Health Care were cheaper the gov would have a lot more money to throw at these sorts of things.
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