I listen to Rogan and knowing what we know about Kamala's chops, it's hard to imagine a scenario where going on the program would have helped her. Even if they cut it short, that would be a bad outcome.
They ended up sending Fetterman, and that wasn't great.
They should have sent Mayor Pete. He's someone who could have done very well, imo.
We will have to agree to disagree on who and how many people think Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. I do know a lot of highly engaged democrats refuse to believe it. That's clear.
I don't understand your point about Bill Clinton's high approval/ popularity in 96. It is irrelevant to NOW's mission. NOW was (is?) the largest and most influential feminist organization in the US. and they endorsed a sexual predator for a 2nd term. That's just a fact. If ever there was a time for them to stand on principal and NOT endorse a D candidate for POTUS, it was in 1996. The guy was going to win anyway. NOW would have gotten the policies they wanted and not damage their credibility.
And while Bill Clinton would not be the center of gravity in a Hilary administration, is she not complicit in his very survival? I mean, she was every bit that character in the Tammy Wynette song, despite her protests to the contrary.
The Clintons are not decent people. Trump is not a decent person. These are just avatars to wielding political power. Everyone realizes this now. Ethics don't really matter. The only thing people care about is if a candidate is more likely to accomplish what they want done. That's it.
The National Organization of Women and all of feminism in the year of Lord 1996 knew that the man was a sexual predator and endorsed his second term anyway. 1996 wasn't 1896, so if the past is a foreign country, 30 years ago is one with a common language.
You'd have a better argument in the 2nd graph if the Clintons just went away with the 1990s. They didn't. They were the power center of the Democratic party as recently as Mrs Clinton running for office a mere 8 years ago. If things went to plan, they'd STILL be in the WH today.
We obviously don't care about the character of candidates anymore. And yes, Bill Clinton enabled that one giant leap in this new national mindset.
Progressives are not liberals. They reject free speech and embrace censorship. These people have no idea how much they have betrayed their core principles and are not interested in understanding why they find themselves in the position they are in.
I can't tell if you are trying to gaslight others or just yourself when talking about this robust economy.
You fixate on the current inflation rate when the cost of living and purchasing power for most Americans is materially worse for a majority of Americans. The damage was already done.
Do you not see how taking credit for plugging the dyke after you were responsible for letting the city flood is a losing argument?
I was a first time Trump voter but also voted FOR Amendments 3 and 4 in Florida. The amendments had zero influence on my decision to vote for the Orange Man (or vice versa). I was disappointed with the amendment results, but a revised version of each should eventually pass in the years to come. I'm actually more ticked off that DeSantis threw state resources against both amendments to get them defeated. I like Meatball Ron (as OT calls him) but he does come with some baggage.
This is flat-out incorrect. The NY Times is a National paper with a NYC metro section. It sets the national news narrative with mainstream media and that has been the case since radio and tv news has existed. A headline in the NY Times in the morning is a block A story for the rest of the country.
Just today I woke up to the "dark" headline and then an hour later on NBC someone was parroting the exact language.
You're right. They had a white man with her lack of talents but he could no longer string 2 complete sentences together. Uncle Joe has to be laughing his ass off right now. Assuming he's aware of the election, of course.
It's never the one thing, especially in this instance. The reasons for the ass-whoppin are legion. But my guess is that the post-mortem will fixate on the Biden / Harris swap out and neglect the root causes for the landslide. In a lot of ways, the Dems shot their shot by knifing Biden in the back and gave themselves a better chance trying to thread the "joy" needle with Harris. It was the right move. Biden is a vegetable. But it's not why they took such a huge loss.
I'm watching MSNBC and they are predictably saying Kamala would have performed better if she was a 6 ft tall white man. So, no, don't hold your breath for meaningful self reflection about how Dem policies, track record and candidate were wildly unpopular. Better to blame democracy itself. Apparently 1 in 4 black men in this country are now white supremacists.
On “The Mandate That Wasn’t”
So is an election.
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Trump won the electoral college and popular vote. Rs won a majority in both chambers of congress.
That's the definition of a political mandate. (look it up)
If you want to quibble on the "size" of said mandate, you'd have an argument. But to deny that a mandate was not earned is ridiculous.
On “Paper: Inflation and the 2024 US Presidential Election”
Finally, an academic treatment of the thing that was obvious to everyone but partisan true believers.
On “How Republicans Can Save Trump’s Presidency”
"I'm not Donald Trump" was the cornerstone strategy of Biden getting elected in 2020.
On “The Four Stages of Post-election Cruelty”
Pennsylvanians are famous for this.
About 7 million people claim to have witnessed Wilt score 100 points in Hershey.
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True. Always better to get in on the ground floor.
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I'd say it's more likely that almost everyone who voted for Trump last week are willing to wait until he actually takes office before regretting it.
But I do admire your optimism!
On “Open Mic for the week of 11/11/2024”
I listen to Rogan and knowing what we know about Kamala's chops, it's hard to imagine a scenario where going on the program would have helped her. Even if they cut it short, that would be a bad outcome.
They ended up sending Fetterman, and that wasn't great.
They should have sent Mayor Pete. He's someone who could have done very well, imo.
On “He Got Away With It”
We will have to agree to disagree on who and how many people think Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. I do know a lot of highly engaged democrats refuse to believe it. That's clear.
"
I don't understand your point about Bill Clinton's high approval/ popularity in 96. It is irrelevant to NOW's mission. NOW was (is?) the largest and most influential feminist organization in the US. and they endorsed a sexual predator for a 2nd term. That's just a fact. If ever there was a time for them to stand on principal and NOT endorse a D candidate for POTUS, it was in 1996. The guy was going to win anyway. NOW would have gotten the policies they wanted and not damage their credibility.
And while Bill Clinton would not be the center of gravity in a Hilary administration, is she not complicit in his very survival? I mean, she was every bit that character in the Tammy Wynette song, despite her protests to the contrary.
The Clintons are not decent people. Trump is not a decent person. These are just avatars to wielding political power. Everyone realizes this now. Ethics don't really matter. The only thing people care about is if a candidate is more likely to accomplish what they want done. That's it.
Bill Clinton walked so that Donald Trump can run.
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The National Organization of Women and all of feminism in the year of Lord 1996 knew that the man was a sexual predator and endorsed his second term anyway. 1996 wasn't 1896, so if the past is a foreign country, 30 years ago is one with a common language.
You'd have a better argument in the 2nd graph if the Clintons just went away with the 1990s. They didn't. They were the power center of the Democratic party as recently as Mrs Clinton running for office a mere 8 years ago. If things went to plan, they'd STILL be in the WH today.
We obviously don't care about the character of candidates anymore. And yes, Bill Clinton enabled that one giant leap in this new national mindset.
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Are we just going to memory hole the dozen or so sexual harassment / assault allegations made against Clinton spanning decades ?
Oh right, not one of them credible. Nor the the 26 flights to Epstein Island.
My God. Listen to yourself.
On “Trumped”
Yes, even the those hateful people who accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being a White Supremacist.
But thankfully OT is still a platform people like that can express their misguided views.
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Thanks for conceding the point.
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Progressives are not liberals. They reject free speech and embrace censorship. These people have no idea how much they have betrayed their core principles and are not interested in understanding why they find themselves in the position they are in.
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He did and the campaign declined. They sent the Senator still recovering from a stroke instead.
It wouldn't have mattered. She was incapable of having a real long form conversation for 2+ hours.
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I can't tell if you are trying to gaslight others or just yourself when talking about this robust economy.
You fixate on the current inflation rate when the cost of living and purchasing power for most Americans is materially worse for a majority of Americans. The damage was already done.
Do you not see how taking credit for plugging the dyke after you were responsible for letting the city flood is a losing argument?
On “The *OTHER* stuff on the ballot”
I was a first time Trump voter but also voted FOR Amendments 3 and 4 in Florida. The amendments had zero influence on my decision to vote for the Orange Man (or vice versa). I was disappointed with the amendment results, but a revised version of each should eventually pass in the years to come. I'm actually more ticked off that DeSantis threw state resources against both amendments to get them defeated. I like Meatball Ron (as OT calls him) but he does come with some baggage.
On “The Shepherds have a Credibility Problem”
If they have no national presence, why are you pissed at it?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The NYT still sets the narrative for national media. Your problem is that everyone understands that narrative is biased BS.
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You obviously don't understand how the media ecosystem works.
On “History Was Made in 2024 Election, Now What?”
The solution was to promise to end "price gouging" - which is basically telling the public that we think you're stupid.
On “The Shepherds have a Credibility Problem”
This is flat-out incorrect. The NY Times is a National paper with a NYC metro section. It sets the national news narrative with mainstream media and that has been the case since radio and tv news has existed. A headline in the NY Times in the morning is a block A story for the rest of the country.
Just today I woke up to the "dark" headline and then an hour later on NBC someone was parroting the exact language.
On “History Was Made in 2024 Election, Now What?”
You're right. They had a white man with her lack of talents but he could no longer string 2 complete sentences together. Uncle Joe has to be laughing his ass off right now. Assuming he's aware of the election, of course.
"
It's never the one thing, especially in this instance. The reasons for the ass-whoppin are legion. But my guess is that the post-mortem will fixate on the Biden / Harris swap out and neglect the root causes for the landslide. In a lot of ways, the Dems shot their shot by knifing Biden in the back and gave themselves a better chance trying to thread the "joy" needle with Harris. It was the right move. Biden is a vegetable. But it's not why they took such a huge loss.
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I'm watching MSNBC and they are predictably saying Kamala would have performed better if she was a 6 ft tall white man. So, no, don't hold your breath for meaningful self reflection about how Dem policies, track record and candidate were wildly unpopular. Better to blame democracy itself. Apparently 1 in 4 black men in this country are now white supremacists.