All of us and on the basis that they made some pretty concrete predictions with firmly definable time windows and none of them came to pass (so far, arguably they have until the end of January but the odds of something like that seem remote considering the reaction so far).
Sure, but your beef there is more with the media. Democratic politicians have an obligation to their constituents to try and mitigate Trumps damage. He's a notoriously swayable character. I agree they shouldn't cooperate to make him pass things he'd otherwise fail to pass but talking nice is a strategy and one they'd be unwise to abandon until it's necessary to do so.
Dramatic responses from Dems and the left would require dramatic violations by Trump and Co. Trump's only actions so far have been to unambiguously win the election. Bidens' and his party's responses have been appropriate. I have seen some say Biden shouldn't have pledged a smooth transition or done the White House norm. I don't agree. Biden is reinforcing the norms. It has no cost and potentially has a benefit.
Also, I think at this point it's safe to say that all the righties saying Trumps election would lead to riots or equivalent misbehavior by the Dems or the Left are now proven entirely and completely wrong and they should be expected to cop to that.
Sure, why not. But my main point in observing that the Covid lab leak imbroglio happened under Trumps administration is that if there is a smoking gun in those docs that proves the lab leak was real then Trump would never ever want it released. So, overwhelming odds are the classified docs are as big a shrug as the non classified ones are- and if they say otherwise you'll never see those ones released.
I'm entirely indifferent because, as I noted, the overwhelming likelihood is any classified report on the lab leak hypothesis sums up as "We can't prove it didn't happen but it's most likely it came from the wet markets."
I'd note that even if your lab leak conspiracy was correct that would have been happening under Trumps administration, not Bidens'.
Obama was a fantastic inspirational speaker but he very much disdained both retail politicking and political messaging as being beneath his soaring rhetoric. It cost him dearly.
As for immigration, what you're just saying is the immigration status will remain the same but Trump will overtly kick them around more so they stay "in their place." and then the right will wheel them out again the next time they lose an election. I think you'd be right about that.
1) Martha's Vineyard had all the workers they were willing to pay for which is why most of the immigrants that got shipped/stranded there promptly went elsewhere. The entire United fishin States is a different matter as you know perfectly well and all that immigration the righties insincerely yelp about is a major reason why inflation got whupped so readily here.
2) Yeah Trumps going to golf cart around the entire federal government rooting out instances of CEI and CRT, honestly Jay. There is Trump and there's a Trump administration. Trump by himself can't do squat on a Federal scale- nor can any President.
3) I agree that messaging/political spin is an area that Bidens' admin was lacking in (which, between Obama and Biden makes two admins in a row where the political and messaging element was mismanaged). I doubt it'd have made a much difference for the election outcome since electorates threw out the Administrations that were in charge when inflation bit regardless of messaging, spin or even culpability. But we don't agree on the fundamental point which is that Biden managed the economy very well and actually engineered a soft landing.
4) The lab leak? You declassify everything and will probably find the same thing we already know. It was most likely natural but we can't rule out a lab leak thing definitively until/unless the Chinese implode and declassify all their info.
5) Sure I suppose, that still wouldn't likely change any laws and I very much doubt there's much dirty laundry in the student loan stuff.
1) So massively boost inflationary pressures, also I'd note he'll have to change the laws to do that and I don't think he's going to find a filibuster proof majority in the Senate eager to do that after the stunt he pulled in '24.
2) Yep they could probably do that, but probably will be too inept and busy stealing everything not nailed down to actually make is happen in a systematic way- also they need those issues to rile up their voters.
3) So on the issue the voters overwhelmingly care the most about you agree Biden did a spectacular job.
4) Uh sure. The truth is out there.
5) Well that's not a Republican constituency so they can kick them as much as Biden tried (foolishly) to indulge them. Probably won't be effective. I'm guessing they'd need to change the laws either which way.
That's interesting. What do you think Trump *SHOULD* do differently than Biden? Not what will he do, but what should he do?
Considering the hand Biden has left him the only thing that a theoretically sane and sensible Trump (I know, it's VERY theoretical) should do on the economy, at least, would be not a lot other than switching from yelling about how everything is burning down to crowing about how he fixed everything. Given that most of the dour mood on the economy was rooted in Republican opinion which was automatically negative (Dems also have this predilection but to a much lesser degree) because a Democrat was in the White House it's technically a solved problem.
On the border he could... well... mostly stand pat and pass the bill he previously opportunistically tanked along with, again, switching his blathering from doom to triumph.
On trade Trump's biggest perils lie because if he does what he campaigned on doing then he's going to reap a whirlwind. Especially if he pairs it with the massive tax cuts for the wealthy he's planning on.
Frankly I'm struggling to think of a President since W who's been left a better hand by their predecessor.
Well that article is mostly about how NIMBY's are fishing up everything in the major urban areas and is entirely correct. It can't just be ignored or awkwardly gestured at by Dems at any level now but unfortunately it's also not an easy nut to crack since housing controls are heavily localized and, to the degree the obstacles are not localized, they're seated in environmental sacred cows like NEP and CEQA.
But on the brighter note, this same warning was sounded with left coasters fled to Colorado and Arizona in the early aughts.
Naw, I was sad but, unlike in 2016, I paid close enough mind to the polls to recognize that a Trump victory or even a wide but shallow victory like what he brought home was a very real possibility. Also, frankly, after a week on a boat, even a luxurious boat, one pines for home.
Yeah all hope lies with the house now. Congrats to the right wingers, they got their dude in. We all get Trump and Trump gets the right whole hog now. I hope, and expect, that our side will take the L like liberals and not like the right, set the contrast stark from the get go.
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Happened on his watch AND was massively exacerbated by his policy choices during that time AND was executed by a Palestinian group his political party and ideology expressly promoted, supported and advanced in order to diminish a different Palestinian group that has, in the past decades, been largely peaceful and cooperative (undemocratic, scholeric and corrupt, mind, but also cooperative and peaceful).
Well yes, we're talking about the same thing from opposite sides. You're pondering if Rogan should have gone to her. I'm pondering if she should have gone to Rogan. Michael is pointing out, helpfully, that the cost in organizational juice for Harris to go to Rogan is probably even higher than we realize.
But your superposition point is correct if anodyne. If she wins everything she did will be amazeballs and if she loses every path not taken will be a missed opportunity.
Can't say with any certainty that she made the wrong call. There's an opportunity cost to flying out to Austin to do an interview at his studio in the last days of the campaign. Harris and her people seem to have decided the possible benefits don't outweigh the opportunity cost.
I agree, the books will be written and if Harris loses it's possible that could be one of the titles. And until those books from Bidens famously tight lipped inner circle are written we won't know- heck, even once they're written we won't know exactly until historians balance the whole genre against itself.
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All of us and on the basis that they made some pretty concrete predictions with firmly definable time windows and none of them came to pass (so far, arguably they have until the end of January but the odds of something like that seem remote considering the reaction so far).
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Sure, but your beef there is more with the media. Democratic politicians have an obligation to their constituents to try and mitigate Trumps damage. He's a notoriously swayable character. I agree they shouldn't cooperate to make him pass things he'd otherwise fail to pass but talking nice is a strategy and one they'd be unwise to abandon until it's necessary to do so.
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Dramatic responses from Dems and the left would require dramatic violations by Trump and Co. Trump's only actions so far have been to unambiguously win the election. Bidens' and his party's responses have been appropriate. I have seen some say Biden shouldn't have pledged a smooth transition or done the White House norm. I don't agree. Biden is reinforcing the norms. It has no cost and potentially has a benefit.
Also, I think at this point it's safe to say that all the righties saying Trumps election would lead to riots or equivalent misbehavior by the Dems or the Left are now proven entirely and completely wrong and they should be expected to cop to that.
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Sure, why not. But my main point in observing that the Covid lab leak imbroglio happened under Trumps administration is that if there is a smoking gun in those docs that proves the lab leak was real then Trump would never ever want it released. So, overwhelming odds are the classified docs are as big a shrug as the non classified ones are- and if they say otherwise you'll never see those ones released.
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Cosign; though I'd also note that, ironically, this is also one of the best case scenarios.
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I'm entirely indifferent because, as I noted, the overwhelming likelihood is any classified report on the lab leak hypothesis sums up as "We can't prove it didn't happen but it's most likely it came from the wet markets."
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I'd note that even if your lab leak conspiracy was correct that would have been happening under Trumps administration, not Bidens'.
Obama was a fantastic inspirational speaker but he very much disdained both retail politicking and political messaging as being beneath his soaring rhetoric. It cost him dearly.
As for immigration, what you're just saying is the immigration status will remain the same but Trump will overtly kick them around more so they stay "in their place." and then the right will wheel them out again the next time they lose an election. I think you'd be right about that.
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1) Martha's Vineyard had all the workers they were willing to pay for which is why most of the immigrants that got shipped/stranded there promptly went elsewhere. The entire United fishin States is a different matter as you know perfectly well and all that immigration the righties insincerely yelp about is a major reason why inflation got whupped so readily here.
2) Yeah Trumps going to golf cart around the entire federal government rooting out instances of CEI and CRT, honestly Jay. There is Trump and there's a Trump administration. Trump by himself can't do squat on a Federal scale- nor can any President.
3) I agree that messaging/political spin is an area that Bidens' admin was lacking in (which, between Obama and Biden makes two admins in a row where the political and messaging element was mismanaged). I doubt it'd have made a much difference for the election outcome since electorates threw out the Administrations that were in charge when inflation bit regardless of messaging, spin or even culpability. But we don't agree on the fundamental point which is that Biden managed the economy very well and actually engineered a soft landing.
4) The lab leak? You declassify everything and will probably find the same thing we already know. It was most likely natural but we can't rule out a lab leak thing definitively until/unless the Chinese implode and declassify all their info.
5) Sure I suppose, that still wouldn't likely change any laws and I very much doubt there's much dirty laundry in the student loan stuff.
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1) So massively boost inflationary pressures, also I'd note he'll have to change the laws to do that and I don't think he's going to find a filibuster proof majority in the Senate eager to do that after the stunt he pulled in '24.
2) Yep they could probably do that, but probably will be too inept and busy stealing everything not nailed down to actually make is happen in a systematic way- also they need those issues to rile up their voters.
3) So on the issue the voters overwhelmingly care the most about you agree Biden did a spectacular job.
4) Uh sure. The truth is out there.
5) Well that's not a Republican constituency so they can kick them as much as Biden tried (foolishly) to indulge them. Probably won't be effective. I'm guessing they'd need to change the laws either which way.
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I've also thrown some money in the hat.
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Nope, I imagine they're maybe gonna knife Gatz because even the GOP in DC despises him but otherwise Trump'll get whomever he wants.
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That's interesting. What do you think Trump *SHOULD* do differently than Biden? Not what will he do, but what should he do?
Considering the hand Biden has left him the only thing that a theoretically sane and sensible Trump (I know, it's VERY theoretical) should do on the economy, at least, would be not a lot other than switching from yelling about how everything is burning down to crowing about how he fixed everything. Given that most of the dour mood on the economy was rooted in Republican opinion which was automatically negative (Dems also have this predilection but to a much lesser degree) because a Democrat was in the White House it's technically a solved problem.
On the border he could... well... mostly stand pat and pass the bill he previously opportunistically tanked along with, again, switching his blathering from doom to triumph.
On trade Trump's biggest perils lie because if he does what he campaigned on doing then he's going to reap a whirlwind. Especially if he pairs it with the massive tax cuts for the wealthy he's planning on.
Frankly I'm struggling to think of a President since W who's been left a better hand by their predecessor.
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Well that article is mostly about how NIMBY's are fishing up everything in the major urban areas and is entirely correct. It can't just be ignored or awkwardly gestured at by Dems at any level now but unfortunately it's also not an easy nut to crack since housing controls are heavily localized and, to the degree the obstacles are not localized, they're seated in environmental sacred cows like NEP and CEQA.
But on the brighter note, this same warning was sounded with left coasters fled to Colorado and Arizona in the early aughts.
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Mea maxima culpa .
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Naw, I was sad but, unlike in 2016, I paid close enough mind to the polls to recognize that a Trump victory or even a wide but shallow victory like what he brought home was a very real possibility. Also, frankly, after a week on a boat, even a luxurious boat, one pines for home.
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Yeesh I go away to sea for a week and change and the whole country goes to pot- sorry all.
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Yeah all hope lies with the house now. Congrats to the right wingers, they got their dude in. We all get Trump and Trump gets the right whole hog now. I hope, and expect, that our side will take the L like liberals and not like the right, set the contrast stark from the get go.
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now I am tearing up on a cruise ship. I am sorry Michael.
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Happened on his watch AND was massively exacerbated by his policy choices during that time AND was executed by a Palestinian group his political party and ideology expressly promoted, supported and advanced in order to diminish a different Palestinian group that has, in the past decades, been largely peaceful and cooperative (undemocratic, scholeric and corrupt, mind, but also cooperative and peaceful).
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What immigration? I am pretty sure we don't want to talk about that.
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Well yes, we're talking about the same thing from opposite sides. You're pondering if Rogan should have gone to her. I'm pondering if she should have gone to Rogan. Michael is pointing out, helpfully, that the cost in organizational juice for Harris to go to Rogan is probably even higher than we realize.
But your superposition point is correct if anodyne. If she wins everything she did will be amazeballs and if she loses every path not taken will be a missed opportunity.
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That was my thought too. I felt a little bad honestly because I have little to add to this one so I'll add my well done on with Pillsy's.
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Can't say with any certainty that she made the wrong call. There's an opportunity cost to flying out to Austin to do an interview at his studio in the last days of the campaign. Harris and her people seem to have decided the possible benefits don't outweigh the opportunity cost.
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I agree, the books will be written and if Harris loses it's possible that could be one of the titles. And until those books from Bidens famously tight lipped inner circle are written we won't know- heck, even once they're written we won't know exactly until historians balance the whole genre against itself.
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