Indeed, it’s a procedure that an overwhelming majority of Americans think should be pretty restricted.....LAWFULLY, not by assassinating doctors that provide the service.
I call bullshytt on McArdle, she is a prolifer in that she is declaring solidarity with their pathology. She is writing apologia for the prolifers, so no fair whining that she is relly "pro-choice". She is a dishonest faker.
One more time, if the fake prolife movement actually gave a crap about teh Unborn they would try to persuade women not to abort instead of demonizing and terrorizing and assassinating abortion providers. If women seek abortion there will always be providers, legal or no.
Did Dr. Tiller kidnap those women or hypnotize them into aborting?
No, they sought him out, paid his fee and lay down on the table.
McArdle is just another blogposeur bullshytt-artist doing a head-fake on pro-choice. She isn't prochoice a'tall.
Bravo Dave!
“ask whether it’s possible to alleviate the causes of that legitimate grievance by giving them an avenue to pursue that grievance legitimately.”
Pro-lifers have that avenue. What you AND MCARDLE are suggesting is putting a thumb on their side of the scales, so that pro-life majorities should be able to get their way even when they want to enact laws that violate the Constitution.
I fail to see where Megan suggests that Tiller brought this upon himself,
But she completely" understands 'and sympathizes with the prolife terrorists and warns that LAWS will just marginalize them further, even FORCE them into more terrorist acts.
She is also a COMPLETE AND UTTER FOOL if she thinks prolifers really care about fetuses.
Mark, I am frankly disgusted by McArdles tortured pretzel logic. And Jaybird, I understand the "root causes" perfectly. It is about power and who controls teh wimmens, and not about succoring differentiated cell clumps. If prolifers actually gave a rap about saving teh Unborn, they would protest fertility therapy and attempt to dissuade women seeking abortions instead of demonizing and assassinating abortion doctors.
Just like McArdle the prolife are fakes and poseurs.
/spit
Do you see why the right is talking about root cause analysis for the prolife fundamentalist terrorists or do you share their attitude for islamic fundamentalist terrorism root cause analysis?
The truck sized hole in your analogy is that the islamic fundamentalist terrorists are mostly not US citizens.
The root cause analysis is non-isomorphic.
Like I pointed out, the right simply isn't analysizing root causes. From Dr. George to McArdle there is a consistant theme that Tiller somehow brought this down on himself, that christian fundamentalist terrorists somehow aren't accountable because of the flawed system that let Tiller "murder babies". Its the Ann Coulter argument for Rev. Hill. I despise McArdle's argument and Hilzoy's equally, though.
This is America and we have the rule of law.
Can't deal? gtfo.
Oh gee-whiz, Jaybird.
I wonder which side Gus is thinking will try to oppose human ectogenesis.
I SAID Beck can say what he likes, but I don't think it cost-viable for your cause, like BillO's 28 episodes of Tiller attacks inspiring Roeder.
I think BillO and Scott Roeder have badly damaged the prolife brand.
It will be interesting to see the next round of polling.
My dad is an orthopeadic surgeon, and I suppose I feel about prolife fundamentalist terrorists exactly like the right feels about islamic fundamentalist terrorists.
Should I feel differently?
Like Hilzoy, I would like to see the whole movement punished for their tacit approval of terrorism and murder.
I have not seen ONE SINGLE STATEMENT from the right didn't incorporate a "Tiller deserved it" in some form into their disclaimer.
And I understand my motivation for revenge.
Cognitive Anthro rules.
Megan McArdle is a hypocrite, like all of the prolife movement.
When I see them protesting outside fertility clinics and volunteering to be hostwombs for some of the thousands of fertlity therapy embryos preserved in terminal cryostasis then I might consent to read her whited sepulchre drivel.
I despise her on prolife because she is dishonest and a faker.
We’ve always been one. Someone else’s ox is getting gored, that’s all.
No, Jaybird. The right has always wanted to be the Domestic Morals Police and the Superawesome World Police. That is why we have incessantly meddled in MENA and SA. That is why we are are in Iraq.
Matoko, perhaps you are privy to information I am not, but I am not aware that ectogenesis is quite so nigh. Presumably the same societal elements that oppose abortion and stem cell research will voice a similar opposition.
8 to 10 is a conservative estimate. We might be able to do human ectogenesis right now, but we cannot legally experiment on human embryos for testing. Goat embryos were successfully gestated to full term 4 years ago.
Google it.
Why would anyone oppose human ectogenesis? It saves fetuses, not destroys them. It will be a great boon for women with uterine carry problems, and saving non-thriving fetuses. Human ectogenisis should eliminate low birthweight babies in North America at least.
haha, he just did....on Sotomeyor.
Gus, that is the other reason the prolife movement is doomed. Prolife sentiment was trending up in the polls, but the mask just slipped.
The real face of the prolife movement isn't thoughtful, rational Ross Douthat--- the real face is classic terrorist fundamentalist Scott Roeder.
Thanks for the reality check, prolifers.
And for reminding us all who you really are.
Dig Angelou....
When someone shows you who they are, believe them......the first time.
We live in a culture of death, a culture where mother’s kill their unborn for matters of convenience.
That is a lie. Late term abortions are always associated with horrific prenatal genetic disease affecting the health of the mother and child. No one chooses a late term abortion for "convenience". Its expensive, difficult, and traumatic. You, Bob Cheeks, are a whited sepulchre. Go adopt a snowflake embryo.
"And I respectfully disagree that this is the end of the pro-life movement. Far too many people oppose it too ardently."
Dan, ectogenesis is simply going to make the prolife movement obsolete.
What is a movement without a cause?
Nothing.
E.D. , you're my hero. You and Conor.
But when will Ross Douthat weigh in? Isn't he the Grand Annointed High Conservo Intellectual now?
E.D. , you were the only one I saw willing to speak to the Beck problem.
Such courage.
I think this is simply the end of the prolife movement.
But the time they recover from this branding, we will have functional ectogenesis, and they will have no cause.
I still don't really believe the prolife movement is all about teh Unborn.
A lot of it is about power, and who controls teh wimmens.
I don't think so Alia.
I think this is game over for the prolife movement.
Before this, americans were trending towards restricting abortion for the first time, even though 68% still support Roe. This is an EPIC PR disaster for the prolife.
Sully is playing a youtube by Operation Rescue on Dr. Tiller. It is an order of magnitude worse than Rev Wright, and it will go viral. The MSM is going to superglue Roeder onto the prolife movement.
Roeder is just simply free ammo for the left. The guy was a trifecta out of the DHS report-- bomb-maker, tax-protester, abortion-doctor murderer.
It will take ten years for the prolife movement to recover....certainly they don't have a prayer now of eoverturning Roe in an 8year Obama administration.
In ten years we will have functional ectogenesis. The japanese have already gestated a goat fetus to full term.
Abortion will be a non-issue when we can just gestate any aborted fetuses in our swell new Bene Tleilax host-womb-vats.
"Prolife" will become a movement without a cause.
death penalty: the state is not a trustworthy arbiter of life and death. no.
euthanasia: should be a personal liberty granted to citizens, and again not determined by the state. yes.
war: something homo sap. is wired for, just like religious belief, and something the rule of law evolved to ameliorate. yes.
abortion: I have around ten thousand unfertilized oocytes, which are undeniably alive, in my own personal autonomous body. A differentiated cell clump is simply not a human life. At around 6 months gestation there is sufficient neurocortical substrate to support pain/pressure response and REM sleep and thought. There is a huge need for education on this issue, but the lower half of the bellcurve is simply unable to acquire this data. This is a pressing problem in that we will have anti-scenescence therapy in our life times...who gets it? Only the rich? Will we need tiered citizen rights for the accessibility of genetic engineering? Will people be able to refuse genetic engineering for their children on religious grounds?
In around ten years the J-womb (japan) will be done, and ectogenesis for fetuses will solve that particular problem....I suggest christians and christian churches can bear the cost of the Bene Tleilax j-wombs, and then adopt the resultant children. A much better use of their monies than to lobby the citizens of California to supress minority citizen rights.
No.
You need to find a way to tell the 40percenters that they need trade school, not college. And not better teachers....more teachers.
Cutting the student teacher ratio is the only way to approximate parental involvement.
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On “Doubling Down”
Indeed, it’s a procedure that an overwhelming majority of Americans think should be pretty restricted.....LAWFULLY, not by assassinating doctors that provide the service.
I call bullshytt on McArdle, she is a prolifer in that she is declaring solidarity with their pathology. She is writing apologia for the prolifers, so no fair whining that she is relly "pro-choice". She is a dishonest faker.
One more time, if the fake prolife movement actually gave a crap about teh Unborn they would try to persuade women not to abort instead of demonizing and terrorizing and assassinating abortion providers. If women seek abortion there will always be providers, legal or no.
Did Dr. Tiller kidnap those women or hypnotize them into aborting?
No, they sought him out, paid his fee and lay down on the table.
McArdle is just another blogposeur bullshytt-artist doing a head-fake on pro-choice. She isn't prochoice a'tall.
Bravo Dave!
"
"giving them an avenue to pursue that grievance legitimately."
May I suggest....passive hunger strikes hopefully resulting in their incapacity and eventual death?
"
"
The truck sized hole in your analogy is that the islamic fundamentalist terrorists are mostly not US citizens.
The root cause analysis is non-isomorphic.
Like I pointed out, the right simply isn't analysizing root causes. From Dr. George to McArdle there is a consistant theme that Tiller somehow brought this down on himself, that christian fundamentalist terrorists somehow aren't accountable because of the flawed system that let Tiller "murder babies". Its the Ann Coulter argument for Rev. Hill. I despise McArdle's argument and Hilzoy's equally, though.
This is America and we have the rule of law.
Can't deal? gtfo.
On “George Tiller”
Oh gee-whiz, Jaybird.
I wonder which side Gus is thinking will try to oppose human ectogenesis.
I SAID Beck can say what he likes, but I don't think it cost-viable for your cause, like BillO's 28 episodes of Tiller attacks inspiring Roeder.
I think BillO and Scott Roeder have badly damaged the prolife brand.
It will be interesting to see the next round of polling.
On “Doubling Down”
paul, I am not saying she is not intelligent....I am saying she is a faker on prolife, like the rest of the RTL crowd.
"
My dad is an orthopeadic surgeon, and I suppose I feel about prolife fundamentalist terrorists exactly like the right feels about islamic fundamentalist terrorists.
Should I feel differently?
Like Hilzoy, I would like to see the whole movement punished for their tacit approval of terrorism and murder.
I have not seen ONE SINGLE STATEMENT from the right didn't incorporate a "Tiller deserved it" in some form into their disclaimer.
And I understand my motivation for revenge.
Cognitive Anthro rules.
"
Megan McArdle is a hypocrite, like all of the prolife movement.
When I see them protesting outside fertility clinics and volunteering to be hostwombs for some of the thousands of fertlity therapy embryos preserved in terminal cryostasis then I might consent to read her whited sepulchre drivel.
I despise her on prolife because she is dishonest and a faker.
On “George Tiller”
We’ve always been one. Someone else’s ox is getting gored, that’s all.
No, Jaybird. The right has always wanted to be the Domestic Morals Police and the Superawesome World Police. That is why we have incessantly meddled in MENA and SA. That is why we are are in Iraq.
"
8 to 10 is a conservative estimate. We might be able to do human ectogenesis right now, but we cannot legally experiment on human embryos for testing. Goat embryos were successfully gestated to full term 4 years ago.
Google it.
Why would anyone oppose human ectogenesis? It saves fetuses, not destroys them. It will be a great boon for women with uterine carry problems, and saving non-thriving fetuses. Human ectogenisis should eliminate low birthweight babies in North America at least.
"
haha, he just did....on Sotomeyor.
Gus, that is the other reason the prolife movement is doomed. Prolife sentiment was trending up in the polls, but the mask just slipped.
The real face of the prolife movement isn't thoughtful, rational Ross Douthat--- the real face is classic terrorist fundamentalist Scott Roeder.
Thanks for the reality check, prolifers.
And for reminding us all who you really are.
Dig Angelou....
"
We live in a culture of death, a culture where mother’s kill their unborn for matters of convenience.
That is a lie. Late term abortions are always associated with horrific prenatal genetic disease affecting the health of the mother and child. No one chooses a late term abortion for "convenience". Its expensive, difficult, and traumatic. You, Bob Cheeks, are a whited sepulchre. Go adopt a snowflake embryo.
Ross hasn't put up his weekly post yet.
"
"And I respectfully disagree that this is the end of the pro-life movement. Far too many people oppose it too ardently."
Dan, ectogenesis is simply going to make the prolife movement obsolete.
What is a movement without a cause?
Nothing.
E.D. , you're my hero. You and Conor.
But when will Ross Douthat weigh in? Isn't he the Grand Annointed High Conservo Intellectual now?
"
E.D. , you were the only one I saw willing to speak to the Beck problem.
Such courage.
I think this is simply the end of the prolife movement.
But the time they recover from this branding, we will have functional ectogenesis, and they will have no cause.
I still don't really believe the prolife movement is all about teh Unborn.
A lot of it is about power, and who controls teh wimmens.
"
Bravo, my habbibi!
On “continuity and the culture of death”
I don't think so Alia.
I think this is game over for the prolife movement.
Before this, americans were trending towards restricting abortion for the first time, even though 68% still support Roe. This is an EPIC PR disaster for the prolife.
Sully is playing a youtube by Operation Rescue on Dr. Tiller. It is an order of magnitude worse than Rev Wright, and it will go viral. The MSM is going to superglue Roeder onto the prolife movement.
Roeder is just simply free ammo for the left. The guy was a trifecta out of the DHS report-- bomb-maker, tax-protester, abortion-doctor murderer.
It will take ten years for the prolife movement to recover....certainly they don't have a prayer now of eoverturning Roe in an 8year Obama administration.
In ten years we will have functional ectogenesis. The japanese have already gestated a goat fetus to full term.
Abortion will be a non-issue when we can just gestate any aborted fetuses in our swell new Bene Tleilax host-womb-vats.
"Prolife" will become a movement without a cause.
"
E.D. I think you should read this.
IMHO the pro-life movement just got a 10 year setback.
At least.
"
Execution?
It was about the murder of Dr. Tiller.
BillO and FOXnews sicced the domestic terrorists on him.
First we had Poplawski posting Glenn Beck FOX video to Stormfront before killing cops, and now this.
Well Jaybird?
"
Well.....here is abortion-prevention the Christianist way.
Looks like the DHS report was spot on.
"
But I'm going to propose that pro-life culture is only partly about "valuing human life".
A lot of is about sex, and the oppression of the XX.
"
death penalty: the state is not a trustworthy arbiter of life and death. no.
euthanasia: should be a personal liberty granted to citizens, and again not determined by the state. yes.
war: something homo sap. is wired for, just like religious belief, and something the rule of law evolved to ameliorate. yes.
abortion: I have around ten thousand unfertilized oocytes, which are undeniably alive, in my own personal autonomous body. A differentiated cell clump is simply not a human life. At around 6 months gestation there is sufficient neurocortical substrate to support pain/pressure response and REM sleep and thought. There is a huge need for education on this issue, but the lower half of the bellcurve is simply unable to acquire this data. This is a pressing problem in that we will have anti-scenescence therapy in our life times...who gets it? Only the rich? Will we need tiered citizen rights for the accessibility of genetic engineering? Will people be able to refuse genetic engineering for their children on religious grounds?
In around ten years the J-womb (japan) will be done, and ectogenesis for fetuses will solve that particular problem....I suggest christians and christian churches can bear the cost of the Bene Tleilax j-wombs, and then adopt the resultant children. A much better use of their monies than to lobby the citizens of California to supress minority citizen rights.
On “the ballad of RSM”
RSM an' Mark Levin are tryin' to be ganstah whiggahs but they aint got no thug.
None a'tall.
On “The Difficult Cloudy Middle of Abortion”
If turnips were watches you'd wear a bunch by your side.
On “faux serious introspection”
My jesuit teacher in catholic school, taught that Jesus loved Thomas the best of all......because it was so much harder for him.
On “Teachers Unions, Performance Pay, and Autonomy”
No.
You need to find a way to tell the 40percenters that they need trade school, not college. And not better teachers....more teachers.
Cutting the student teacher ratio is the only way to approximate parental involvement.
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