Conservatives wilin' out on O for even making this speech don't get it.
His audience is not "the muslim world"......its this world.
Its the under-30s in every nation in MENA.
Inshallah he will have will have the same with under-30s there as he does here.
;)
"The bases for these exceptions and distinctions are often difficult to justify on a purely rational basis, but they exist nonetheless due to various cultural influences and, let’s be honest, strongly held but not necessarily purely reasoned beliefs."
yessss....and the belief that the mother that deliberately planned, sought, and paid for the abortion, and lay down on the table, is innocent of murder while the doctor that performed the abortion is "bloody handed" and has a "repulsive practice" and "deserves what happens to him" is not reasonable or rational.
I'd be happy if sidereal can acknowledge that he is, IPOF, inconsistant/hypocritical in his position on late-term abortion.
AND IF PEOPLE WOULD STOP ASSUMING IM XY!
Sidereal's hypocrisy is based on the fact that he believes late-term abortion is murder, yet he also believes women that deliberately murder their fetuses are not guilty of murder, while of course. the doctors ARE guilty of murder.
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Rebutt me then, sidereal.
Explain why you are not a hypocrite on late-term abortion....or are you a proto-terrorist or a terrorist apologist like McArdle?
Well my argument still stands unrebutted also.
All prolifers are either hypocrites or proto-terrorists.
Either people believe abortion is murder or they don't, its binary.
Anyone that supports a ban on late-term abortions believes late-term abortion is murder, but women get a pass while abortion providers have "repulsive practices" and "bloody hands".
Since you seem to be non-violent, sidereal, I guess you are just a hypocrite.
It still boils down that the prolife movement wants to FORCE women to carry children to term by removing abortion providers, either legally, ie outlawing abortion, or through terror-strike assassinations on doctors.
Won't work, hasn't ever worked.
To reduce late term abortions the women who abort must be prosecuted for murder, or killed by terror-strikes as a deterrent. The position of the prolife movement which I find deeply hypocritical, is "they don't want to arrest the women, just the doctors."
Deep cognitive dissonance.
Mike Huckabee (among others) often like to compare abortion to slavery—both being brazenly immoral acts that should not be allowed to occur anywhere in U.S. territory. OK. But if abortion were outlawed, would pro-lifers want to charge every woman who gets one on the black market with murder? Would they want to start having federal agents investigate miscarriages, to make sure that no foul play was involved?
When I pose such questions to friends and colleagues who are pro-life, the usual response is something on the order of, “No one in the movement wants to arrest the women, only the doctors.” Yet would these people say the same for someone who hires a hit man to take out a rival, essentially arguing, “The hit man is solely responsible, the person who paid him money to do the deed is the real victim here”? Of course not.
Spencer: "I find George Tiller’s practice to be repulsive, I do not think he should have been murdered."
Terrorist apologist.
Try another thought experiment sidereal.
A girl gets raped by a relative. She doesn't tell anyone and tries to conceal the pregnancy. By the time the pregnancy obvious she is 8 months gone.
She can't find a way to have a legal abortion.
She lives in Kansas, lol, she has no money.
Finally at nine months she throws herself down the stairs and kills the fetus.
Or she does a self-curretage with a coat hanger.
Is she a murderer?
Or....the same girl...delivers the baby and exposes it in an icy dumpster.
Now that is murder, right?
Whats the difference?
The difference is the girl gets to control her own body.
Until the fetus leaves the body, it has no rights that trump the mothers use of her body.
It just doesn't.
I don't care, Jaybird.
My nafs always leads me to believe I can show truth to 'slines, because it is obvious to my sector of the bellcurve of IQ.
It is not possible...but i forget.
The truest thing I said was that when we have human ectogenesis (which I predict the prolifers will bitterly and fiercely oppose, btw) very few of the sad deformed and dying babies brought to term by the technology will be adopted by the Noble Christian Life-Jihaadis. The Life-jihaadis fought fiercely against hESCR, a technology they don't even understand, but very few snowflake embryos were redeemed by those Noble Christians from the frozen death of terminal cryostasis.
The Life-Jihaadis are stupid....they will never understand women that want abortions will get them....even if they have to use a coathanger or pitch themselves down the stairs.
So killing doctors is useless.
You have to kill the women. Just a few, so they get the message.
Or else you have to say women have autonomy over their own bodies, and you will have to let them decide.
Its binary.
Yup.
The settlements simply have to stop.
During the Summer War I had a lebanese expat commenter on my blog.
He said from the start, that the war began because a german-arbitrated prisoner exchange fell apart when the Iraelis refused to include Sameer Kuntar as part of the package. Hizb' snatched the two Israeli soldiers to strengthen their bargaining hand. Calculator (that was his name) said Hizb would never stop until they got Kuntar back.
I stopped blogging for a year and lost contact with Calculator....but he was right....in the end Hizb' got Kuntar and and a bunch more seats in the leb parliment and Sionora lost control of his legislature and Bush and the USA and Israel got another black eye in MENA.
I can pull up blog posts where he also said there can never even be peace TALKS between Palestine and Israel as long as the settlements continue. Israel has an understandable bunker mentality, but the combination of that and Bush's profound lack of subtlty was simply deadly.
Calculator also said that Bush was so universally detested in MENA that we could never make progress on Israel/Pali as long he was in office.
We have a fortunate window of opportunity now.....
Stop the settlements.
Its binary.
And you are a hypocrite sidereal, and you DO NOT believe third tri-fetuses are human lives, or there would be no exceptions.
Not for rape, not for incest, not for the health of the mother, not for trisomy 21, not for spina bifida or anencephaly, not for the most horrific genetic hororshow ever dreamt of, not even even for a baby so fabulously deformed that it is doomed to DIE in agony within minutes of its birth.
And this stupid dishonest debate won't be over until we have full human ectogenesis and we can drop abortifacts into our swell new Bene Tleilax host-womb-vats and gestate them to term.
That is....if anyone wants them. Will the noble christian prolifers then adopt these poor doomed monsters with their hideously expensive surgery requirements and dreadfully short lifespans?
HAHAHA......Because mostly women don't abort third tri healthy babies.
It is expensive, the travel is difficult, and the emotional investment is traumatic.
And talking about this makes me hate you all because you are stupid and dishonest and you have zero empathy for these poor women forced to make awful choices while you disgusting whited sepulchres sit in judgement.
In'shallah you will not have to suffer this yourself to learn the empathy of pain and blood and agony.
You sure are right. You’ve convinced me of the error of my ways. Surely because I don’t want mothers to be killed, I must think a fetus is something other than human life. QED
that wasn't my point.
my point is you don't really believe late term fetuses are human lives because you are a faker, just like the rest of the prolife movement.
More bullshytt.
Lets try this thought experiment.
sidereal, you don't actually believe a fetus is a human life, and I can prove it.
Do you believe that late-term abortion is murder?
according to your graph you do.
So, I can safely assume you think late term abortion is murder.
I'm fine with prolife terrorists assassinating abortionists, but they HAVE to be idealogically consistant. They have to whack ALL abortionists.
And the includes the hostwombs. Dr. Tiller didn't run around and kidnap women to abort or hypnotize them into paying him and laying down on the table . Nope, they sought his help as an accomplice in murdering their late term fetuses.
So consider how awesomesauce this is.
Kill that woman who murdered her child and i guaran-damn-tee she wont ever abort another "human life".
Think of the deterrent value!!!! Carry that fetus to term, biyotch, or the Prolife Terror Police are gonna blow your damn head off!!!
No revisionism here.
So, yeah, sidereal. You don't relly believe fetuses are human lives.
You're another faker like McArdle.
I think....people like Megan should put their bellcurve tribal allegiance above their partisanship. She is using a timehonored conservative head-fake here.
McArdle: I'm verry pro-choice/pro-science/pro-SSM/etc., but I support the majorities right to mob-rule on the issue of ....choose one.....[IDT forced into high schools, domestic terrorism, oppression of minority rights, humanlife-at-conception, slaughtering abortion providers, discrimination, etc.]
The whole conservative federalist schtick is just localized mob-rule.
Its like they pay lipservice to classic liberalism while declaring solidarity with the base under the table, wink,wink, nod, nod.
Its a fake-out.
And I'm thoroughly sick of McArdle's stupid wildly innapropriate analogies.
Fetuses are nothing like slaves, women who are denied LEGAL reproductive choices by terrorists are the slave deme here.
Exactly like teh islamic fundies, the prolife fundies well understand how unappealing their memetics are, so they seek to enforce them through criminal violence.
McArdle is essentially saying the rule of law is FORCING the domestic terrorists into criminal behavior because they FEEL obligated to exercise their MORAL INTUITION.
She is just another creepy conservative apologist.
Sadly, I think she does have some knowledge of economics, and my hero Freddie speaks well of her.
But I have negative infinity respect for her at this point.
I doubt I'd ever read her again.
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On “al Obamaiya: The President’s Cairo Speech”
Conservatives wilin' out on O for even making this speech don't get it.
His audience is not "the muslim world"......its this world.
Its the under-30s in every nation in MENA.
Inshallah he will have will have the same with under-30s there as he does here.
;)
On “Ah, Abortion”
meh
"
"The bases for these exceptions and distinctions are often difficult to justify on a purely rational basis, but they exist nonetheless due to various cultural influences and, let’s be honest, strongly held but not necessarily purely reasoned beliefs."
yessss....and the belief that the mother that deliberately planned, sought, and paid for the abortion, and lay down on the table, is innocent of murder while the doctor that performed the abortion is "bloody handed" and has a "repulsive practice" and "deserves what happens to him" is not reasonable or rational.
"
I'd be happy if sidereal can acknowledge that he is, IPOF, inconsistant/hypocritical in his position on late-term abortion.
AND IF PEOPLE WOULD STOP ASSUMING IM XY!
"
Sidereal's hypocrisy is based on the fact that he believes late-term abortion is murder, yet he also believes women that deliberately murder their fetuses are not guilty of murder, while of course. the doctors ARE guilty of murder.
On “al Obamaiya: The President’s Cairo Speech”
Here's my shorter Obama, Ralf.
On “Ah, Abortion”
Rebutt me then, sidereal.
Explain why you are not a hypocrite on late-term abortion....or are you a proto-terrorist or a terrorist apologist like McArdle?
"
No it does not rebut itself.
And 99.9% of prolifers do believe Roeder was justified.
Even Reverend George couldn't condemn Roeder without referring to "the blood on Dr. Tillers hands."
And I'm a grrl, dammit.
On “al Obamaiya: The President’s Cairo Speech”
ought
On “Ah, Abortion”
Well my argument still stands unrebutted also.
All prolifers are either hypocrites or proto-terrorists.
Either people believe abortion is murder or they don't, its binary.
Anyone that supports a ban on late-term abortions believes late-term abortion is murder, but women get a pass while abortion providers have "repulsive practices" and "bloody hands".
Since you seem to be non-violent, sidereal, I guess you are just a hypocrite.
"
It still boils down that the prolife movement wants to FORCE women to carry children to term by removing abortion providers, either legally, ie outlawing abortion, or through terror-strike assassinations on doctors.
Won't work, hasn't ever worked.
To reduce late term abortions the women who abort must be prosecuted for murder, or killed by terror-strikes as a deterrent. The position of the prolife movement which I find deeply hypocritical, is "they don't want to arrest the women, just the doctors."
Deep cognitive dissonance.
"
Yup, dishonest and hypocritical.
We can all agree that stabbing an anencephalic baby in the extruded brain is murder out side the womans body. But is it murder at 8 1/2 months?
Why the prolife are either hypocrites or terrorist apologists.
"
Try another thought experiment sidereal.
A girl gets raped by a relative. She doesn't tell anyone and tries to conceal the pregnancy. By the time the pregnancy obvious she is 8 months gone.
She can't find a way to have a legal abortion.
She lives in Kansas, lol, she has no money.
Finally at nine months she throws herself down the stairs and kills the fetus.
Or she does a self-curretage with a coat hanger.
Is she a murderer?
Or....the same girl...delivers the baby and exposes it in an icy dumpster.
Now that is murder, right?
Whats the difference?
The difference is the girl gets to control her own body.
Until the fetus leaves the body, it has no rights that trump the mothers use of her body.
It just doesn't.
"
I live in this world, sidereal.
Where do you live?
"
I don't care, Jaybird.
My nafs always leads me to believe I can show truth to 'slines, because it is obvious to my sector of the bellcurve of IQ.
It is not possible...but i forget.
The truest thing I said was that when we have human ectogenesis (which I predict the prolifers will bitterly and fiercely oppose, btw) very few of the sad deformed and dying babies brought to term by the technology will be adopted by the Noble Christian Life-Jihaadis. The Life-jihaadis fought fiercely against hESCR, a technology they don't even understand, but very few snowflake embryos were redeemed by those Noble Christians from the frozen death of terminal cryostasis.
The Life-Jihaadis are stupid....they will never understand women that want abortions will get them....even if they have to use a coathanger or pitch themselves down the stairs.
So killing doctors is useless.
You have to kill the women. Just a few, so they get the message.
Or else you have to say women have autonomy over their own bodies, and you will have to let them decide.
Its binary.
On “bad analogies”
Yup.
The settlements simply have to stop.
During the Summer War I had a lebanese expat commenter on my blog.
He said from the start, that the war began because a german-arbitrated prisoner exchange fell apart when the Iraelis refused to include Sameer Kuntar as part of the package. Hizb' snatched the two Israeli soldiers to strengthen their bargaining hand. Calculator (that was his name) said Hizb would never stop until they got Kuntar back.
I stopped blogging for a year and lost contact with Calculator....but he was right....in the end Hizb' got Kuntar and and a bunch more seats in the leb parliment and Sionora lost control of his legislature and Bush and the USA and Israel got another black eye in MENA.
I can pull up blog posts where he also said there can never even be peace TALKS between Palestine and Israel as long as the settlements continue. Israel has an understandable bunker mentality, but the combination of that and Bush's profound lack of subtlty was simply deadly.
Calculator also said that Bush was so universally detested in MENA that we could never make progress on Israel/Pali as long he was in office.
We have a fortunate window of opportunity now.....
Stop the settlements.
On “Ah, Abortion”
My nafs again.
>:(
My shayyk is always telling me, Man cannot acquire what he cannot use.
"
Its binary.
And you are a hypocrite sidereal, and you DO NOT believe third tri-fetuses are human lives, or there would be no exceptions.
Not for rape, not for incest, not for the health of the mother, not for trisomy 21, not for spina bifida or anencephaly, not for the most horrific genetic hororshow ever dreamt of, not even even for a baby so fabulously deformed that it is doomed to DIE in agony within minutes of its birth.
And this stupid dishonest debate won't be over until we have full human ectogenesis and we can drop abortifacts into our swell new Bene Tleilax host-womb-vats and gestate them to term.
That is....if anyone wants them. Will the noble christian prolifers then adopt these poor doomed monsters with their hideously expensive surgery requirements and dreadfully short lifespans?
HAHAHA......Because mostly women don't abort third tri healthy babies.
It is expensive, the travel is difficult, and the emotional investment is traumatic.
And talking about this makes me hate you all because you are stupid and dishonest and you have zero empathy for these poor women forced to make awful choices while you disgusting whited sepulchres sit in judgement.
In'shallah you will not have to suffer this yourself to learn the empathy of pain and blood and agony.
"
I pray to the Divine Beloved to forgive my nafs.
"
Jaybird, 'zactly.
"
nah....either a hypocrite or a proto-terrorist.
"
that wasn't my point.
my point is you don't really believe late term fetuses are human lives because you are a faker, just like the rest of the prolife movement.
"
More bullshytt.
Lets try this thought experiment.
sidereal, you don't actually believe a fetus is a human life, and I can prove it.
Do you believe that late-term abortion is murder?
according to your graph you do.
So, I can safely assume you think late term abortion is murder.
I'm fine with prolife terrorists assassinating abortionists, but they HAVE to be idealogically consistant. They have to whack ALL abortionists.
And the includes the hostwombs. Dr. Tiller didn't run around and kidnap women to abort or hypnotize them into paying him and laying down on the table . Nope, they sought his help as an accomplice in murdering their late term fetuses.
So consider how awesomesauce this is.
Kill that woman who murdered her child and i guaran-damn-tee she wont ever abort another "human life".
Think of the deterrent value!!!!
Carry that fetus to term, biyotch, or the Prolife Terror Police are gonna blow your damn head off!!!
No revisionism here.
So, yeah, sidereal. You don't relly believe fetuses are human lives.
You're another faker like McArdle.
On “Doubling Down”
I think....people like Megan should put their bellcurve tribal allegiance above their partisanship. She is using a timehonored conservative head-fake here.
McArdle: I'm verry pro-choice/pro-science/pro-SSM/etc., but I support the majorities right to mob-rule on the issue of ....choose one.....[IDT forced into high schools, domestic terrorism, oppression of minority rights, humanlife-at-conception, slaughtering abortion providers, discrimination, etc.]
The whole conservative federalist schtick is just localized mob-rule.
Its like they pay lipservice to classic liberalism while declaring solidarity with the base under the table, wink,wink, nod, nod.
Its a fake-out.
"
And I'm thoroughly sick of McArdle's stupid wildly innapropriate analogies.
Fetuses are nothing like slaves, women who are denied LEGAL reproductive choices by terrorists are the slave deme here.
Exactly like teh islamic fundies, the prolife fundies well understand how unappealing their memetics are, so they seek to enforce them through criminal violence.
McArdle is essentially saying the rule of law is FORCING the domestic terrorists into criminal behavior because they FEEL obligated to exercise their MORAL INTUITION.
She is just another creepy conservative apologist.
Sadly, I think she does have some knowledge of economics, and my hero Freddie speaks well of her.
But I have negative infinity respect for her at this point.
I doubt I'd ever read her again.
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