The teaparties were proposed by Paulites before the november election....the writing on the wall. The Paulites were good at grassroots and networking and tech. The general feeling of disenfranchisement, malaise, disappointment and bitterness was amorphous among Republicans, but has coalesced into anti-Obamaism, a loose collection of conspiracy theory incorporating various myths....Obama is a socialist, the media stole the election, Obama is going to raise taxes, Obama is a muslim, Obama is going to take our guns away, Birthcert truthers, Deliverance extras, NRA members, Birchers, survialists, secesssionists and Info Warriors (Alex Jones website).
If a Perot shows up, he’s likely to shatter the Republican party.
I think that would be cathartic.
I have a superbad time trying to integrate Glenn Beck and Reihan Salam into the same party. Sooner or later the very fabric of spacetime is going to rupture, resulting in a time dilation anomaly that will project Beck a thousand years into the future,( where he will be displayed as primitve manifestation of Insane Clown Theology in national zoo), and Reihan a thousand years into the past where he will worshipped as a demi-god and prescient oracle and have a religion founded on him.
Jaybird....can I point out something here?
Obama is a black man.
The only reason he won this time was the econopalypse, and the alternative was a 72 year old 4x cancer survivor with an ex-beauty queen fishgutter from podunk nowheresville as a backup.
The demographic timer is running out for the republicans now....in 2020 caucasian becomes a minority. The over 65s are dying off without replacements, and the increasing urbanization is a killah too.
Obama only won by 9.5 million votes, but the electoral college was a blowout, 365 to 173.
McCain got the electoral votes from the red states...but there arent enough electoral votes in those states to win anymore.
So, no, republicans staying home is a myth.
The demographic timer is running out.
And you right about the movement being headless.
There is not a real contender right now.
My projection is that the base will force Palin as the nominee.
I think the base needs some object lessons, and a Palin candidacy is a way to learn them.
The teaparties actually grew out of the strongly grassroots Paulite movement.
People have traced the memo history.
But the Paulites have stepped away as the movement became coopted by their intra-party enemies, FOXnews and the RNC.
You are right about the unemployment issue, and the culture of blame.
It is just a misdirect on populist socon rage.
The socons have figured out that their leadership scammed them on abortion, school prayer, SSM, and life-at-conception.
They are losing their jobs and 401ks, and they need a target.
So the fake-out that the teaparties are bipartisan and not really about Obama becomes the partyline....when actually all there seems to be is anti-Obama.
Consider the DHS report.....do you hear Malkin saying NOOOOO that isn't us!
We aren't sociopathic proto-assassins and bombers!........nope, instead....she gets pissed at the feebs!!! and Obama!!! because this is just a HUGE conspiracy to smear conservatives and keep "teh message" (w/e the f**k that is) from getting to the "American people".
Seal your lips with the black stich of a secret
Parade with the speechless dryness of the desert
Lay flat under the limelight you feed off of the fiction
Cold calloused and boiled between the bleak deep of your dirty hands
"I consider them self-defeating; weeds in the grass - indeed, toxic. "
The problem is...the base thinks Beck is the second coming.
Someone needs to disabuse them.
The base may force Palin as the nominee....I see that as essentially harmless.
She will just lose.
But Beck's juggalo posse is growing, and some of them are actually convinced that Obama IS Hitler and hes gonna take their guns.
"He’s a fraud, a phony, and he’s toying with our more dangerous instincts. That’s very dishonest and possibly could lead to some wingnuts taking matters into their own hands"
Yes! I would like to see ALL of the rightside brain-trust publically repudiate Beck.
And I would, actually, like to a see a post by you devoted just to Beck. Rather than lump him in with Hannity and BillO who seem innocuous and harmless by comparison.
I think Beck is a dangerously toxic individual with a huge dedicated following, quite shockingly similiar to Insane Clown Posse and the juggalos.
E.D. .......what responsibility does the intellectual leadership of the conservative movement owe its constituents?
Douthat et al spent a lot of pixels justifying Rush.
Can they justify Beck?
So....what you doing about it, E.D. ?
More importantly, is Ross going to address it, your figurehead, your intellectual factotem?
Or just continue to wink and look the other way?
I think it would be instructive to analyze the mob psychology themes that Beck is openly exploiting. The whole conspiracy theory mantra, the juxtaposition of pictures of Hitler and Stalin with President Obama in full wall slide shows, chanting "Obama the Messiah" to the tune of the Soviet nat'l anthem.
Its the Dark Carnival all over.
Do these things have consequences?
"The message is lost, or when it’s clear it’s divisive. "
Exactly....the SNR is very low.
The teaparty message is supposed to be anti-establishment, but its wholly swamped in anti-Obama noise.
Conservatives just look like sore loozers trying a head fake.
Yup.
Beck is an insane clown. I don't see you guys calling that a'tall.
There is a giant disconnect between the base and the leadership.
Subtle contrast between Palinism and Burkian philosophies aren't going to penetrate.
How any sapient human can watch Beck and not recoil in horrified incredulous loathing is purely beyond me.
York asks ...why is the Left still so angry?
The answer is....because the Right is still so stupid.
I wonder about the chasm between the two parts of the "conservatives"....on one hand the base worships Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.....but the intellectual conservatives like Reihan and Frum utterly reject Palin and Beck.
TAS and the Gentlemen aren't even discussing this..Suderman fiddles with culture while the GOP crashes in flames.....Reihan blows Palin off on the Daily Beast and opens himself up to a ritual scourging by fellow "conservatives" that call him a muslim and a "salami". And I thought catholicguilt was bad!
Glenn Beck is an insane clown...even Charles Johnson can see that......until the intellectual wing of the conservative party can call him out on that....you are all just juggalos as far as the eye can see.
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On “a quote for the middle of the afternoon”
Wow....John Schwenkler.
Righteous.
On “The Problem with the Tea Parties”
The teaparties were proposed by Paulites before the november election....the writing on the wall. The Paulites were good at grassroots and networking and tech. The general feeling of disenfranchisement, malaise, disappointment and bitterness was amorphous among Republicans, but has coalesced into anti-Obamaism, a loose collection of conspiracy theory incorporating various myths....Obama is a socialist, the media stole the election, Obama is going to raise taxes, Obama is a muslim, Obama is going to take our guns away, Birthcert truthers, Deliverance extras, NRA members, Birchers, survialists, secesssionists and Info Warriors (Alex Jones website).
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"I don’t see anti-Obama as much as anti-Government"
Jaybird watch an hour of Beck and then get back to me.
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"We’re dealing with people who, heretofore, limited airing their grievances about the government to $6 bucket of beer night at Oscar’s. "
Yeah, but the only coherent signal rising above the noise level is we hate Obama....but we aren't sure why.
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If a Perot shows up, he’s likely to shatter the Republican party.
I think that would be cathartic.
I have a superbad time trying to integrate Glenn Beck and Reihan Salam into the same party. Sooner or later the very fabric of spacetime is going to rupture, resulting in a time dilation anomaly that will project Beck a thousand years into the future,( where he will be displayed as primitve manifestation of Insane Clown Theology in national zoo), and Reihan a thousand years into the past where he will worshipped as a demi-god and prescient oracle and have a religion founded on him.
"
Jaybird....can I point out something here?
Obama is a black man.
The only reason he won this time was the econopalypse, and the alternative was a 72 year old 4x cancer survivor with an ex-beauty queen fishgutter from podunk nowheresville as a backup.
The demographic timer is running out for the republicans now....in 2020 caucasian becomes a minority. The over 65s are dying off without replacements, and the increasing urbanization is a killah too.
Obama only won by 9.5 million votes, but the electoral college was a blowout, 365 to 173.
McCain got the electoral votes from the red states...but there arent enough electoral votes in those states to win anymore.
So, no, republicans staying home is a myth.
The demographic timer is running out.
"
And you right about the movement being headless.
There is not a real contender right now.
My projection is that the base will force Palin as the nominee.
I think the base needs some object lessons, and a Palin candidacy is a way to learn them.
"
The teaparties actually grew out of the strongly grassroots Paulite movement.
People have traced the memo history.
But the Paulites have stepped away as the movement became coopted by their intra-party enemies, FOXnews and the RNC.
You are right about the unemployment issue, and the culture of blame.
It is just a misdirect on populist socon rage.
The socons have figured out that their leadership scammed them on abortion, school prayer, SSM, and life-at-conception.
They are losing their jobs and 401ks, and they need a target.
So the fake-out that the teaparties are bipartisan and not really about Obama becomes the partyline....when actually all there seems to be is anti-Obama.
On “I think…”
Hannity can be Marilyn Manson.
;)
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And the Columbine killahs "theme" band was KMFDM.
Theres the hookup......ICP is to Glenn Beck as KMFDM is to the Columbine killahs.
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Don't you see the comparison between Malkin's Obama conspiracy theories, "Socialist America", and the Dark Carnival?
Malkin is a juggalette.
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"The problem isn’t Beck."
I suggest you haven't actually watched Beck.
And the Columbine killahs lissened to KRMS, not Marilyn.
"
Consider the DHS report.....do you hear Malkin saying NOOOOO that isn't us!
We aren't sociopathic proto-assassins and bombers!........nope, instead....she gets pissed at the feebs!!! and Obama!!! because this is just a HUGE conspiracy to smear conservatives and keep "teh message" (w/e the f**k that is) from getting to the "American people".
"
Seal your lips with the black stich of a secret
Parade with the speechless dryness of the desert
Lay flat under the limelight you feed off of the fiction
Cold calloused and boiled between the bleak deep of your dirty hands
"
Jaybird meet Sonny.
My favorite.
Dude, the music never dies.....it evolves.
"
"I consider them self-defeating; weeds in the grass - indeed, toxic. "
The problem is...the base thinks Beck is the second coming.
Someone needs to disabuse them.
The base may force Palin as the nominee....I see that as essentially harmless.
She will just lose.
But Beck's juggalo posse is growing, and some of them are actually convinced that Obama IS Hitler and hes gonna take their guns.
"
"He’s a fraud, a phony, and he’s toying with our more dangerous instincts. That’s very dishonest and possibly could lead to some wingnuts taking matters into their own hands"
Yes! I would like to see ALL of the rightside brain-trust publically repudiate Beck.
And I would, actually, like to a see a post by you devoted just to Beck. Rather than lump him in with Hannity and BillO who seem innocuous and harmless by comparison.
I think Beck is a dangerously toxic individual with a huge dedicated following, quite shockingly similiar to Insane Clown Posse and the juggalos.
E.D. .......what responsibility does the intellectual leadership of the conservative movement owe its constituents?
Douthat et al spent a lot of pixels justifying Rush.
Can they justify Beck?
"
So....what you doing about it, E.D. ?
More importantly, is Ross going to address it, your figurehead, your intellectual factotem?
Or just continue to wink and look the other way?
"
I think it would be instructive to analyze the mob psychology themes that Beck is openly exploiting. The whole conspiracy theory mantra, the juxtaposition of pictures of Hitler and Stalin with President Obama in full wall slide shows, chanting "Obama the Messiah" to the tune of the Soviet nat'l anthem.
Its the Dark Carnival all over.
Do these things have consequences?
"
E.D. .....you are lumping BillO and Hannity in with Beck.
Do you honestly not see a difference?
"
Even BillO and Dennis Miller see how insane Beck is.
Shep Smith too.
But the base adores him.
Palin redux.
"
"The message is lost, or when it’s clear it’s divisive. "
Exactly....the SNR is very low.
The teaparty message is supposed to be anti-establishment, but its wholly swamped in anti-Obama noise.
Conservatives just look like sore loozers trying a head fake.
"
"Think we need more of it?"
Yup.
Beck is an insane clown. I don't see you guys calling that a'tall.
There is a giant disconnect between the base and the leadership.
Subtle contrast between Palinism and Burkian philosophies aren't going to penetrate.
How any sapient human can watch Beck and not recoil in horrified incredulous loathing is purely beyond me.
York asks ...why is the Left still so angry?
The answer is....because the Right is still so stupid.
"
btw, E. D.
BillO isn't the face of the base.....Beck is.
Own it.
"
I wonder about the chasm between the two parts of the "conservatives"....on one hand the base worships Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.....but the intellectual conservatives like Reihan and Frum utterly reject Palin and Beck.
TAS and the Gentlemen aren't even discussing this..Suderman fiddles with culture while the GOP crashes in flames.....Reihan blows Palin off on the Daily Beast and opens himself up to a ritual scourging by fellow "conservatives" that call him a muslim and a "salami". And I thought catholicguilt was bad!
Glenn Beck is an insane clown...even Charles Johnson can see that......until the intellectual wing of the conservative party can call him out on that....you are all just juggalos as far as the eye can see.
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