Marjorie Taylor Greene and The Importance of the Fife Principle
Normally in this type of theater production this is the time you would assemble the Greek chorus and we all sing along with all the angsty glee Rogers and Hammerstein can lyrically muster:
How do you solve a problem like Marjorie?
How do you catch a Q and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Marjorie?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o’-the wisp! A clown!
Well, that last part is correct at least. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (Wackadoo-GA14) has utterly beclowned herself again and again before, during, and after her successful congressional run. And she is showing no signs of letting up, her notable achievements in her first two weeks in congress being wearing a “censored” facemask in the People’s House, filing farcical Articles of Impeachment against President Biden, having a yell-off in the halls of congress with Rep. Cori Bush (MO-01) along with a Twitter spat, and generally doing Marjorie Taylor Greene things at ever-increasing intervals and volume. Now, with her elevated position of being the most objectionable member of the GOP caucus — no small feat in this congress — she finds her old social media past and activities coming back to haunt her.
Karen Tumulty opines thusly in The Washington Post:
Before she was elected last year, QAnon devotee Greene made a name for herself by spreading bonkers conspiracy theories, including that the school shooting tragedies in Newtown, Conn., and Parkland, Fla., were staged.
She has also embraced another one claiming that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton murdered a child during a satanic ritual and drank her blood.
And they just keep coming. Newly unearthed are social media postings in which Greene appeared to endorse, through likes and shares and comments, the idea of executing Democratic leaders. One of the posts she “liked” suggested getting rid of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) with “a bullet to the head.” CNN’s KFile also found a 2019 video in which Greene harassed David Hogg, a survivor of the Parkland shooting who was making the rounds on Capitol Hill to advocate for gun control. The congresswoman-to-be shouted lies at the teen and called him “a coward” for not responding to her.
All of this has provoked House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) to let it be known through a spokesman that he finds her comments “deeply disturbing” and that he “plans to have a conversation with the congresswoman about them.”…the sad thing is, the Republican embrace of people like Greene and its tolerance of what she represents show the party no longer recognizes a line between what is and isn’t acceptable. They have made their bargain, and now they are stuck with it.
True enough but the “why” to this bargain is more instructive to the fact they did so. Tolerating lunacy is not new, for either political party, though the contrast here is stark and getting starker. The thing about Marjorie Taylor Greene is all of this was known before hand, and nothing here is new that couldn’t be found with a simple Google search. The Congresswoman is not shy at all in telling anyone and everyone who she is; that apparently a bunch of folks chose not to believe her is on them. Or they do agree with her. Or some combination thereof. Results are the same, regardless; the crazymaker is empowered and encouraged to not only continue to be a crazymaker, but to crank it to 11.
This situation needed the Fife principle. Old Barney was practically worthless as a deputy but his eternal wisdom of “Nip it in the bud” proves usual. If something is a problem, it doesn’t become less of a problem over time, because people just become more of what they are over time. Bad character is powerful inertia, and it takes something momentous indeed to stop its drift once it gets started doing ill deeds and misguided mischief.
Barney Fife:
Yeah, well, today’s eight-year-olds are tomorrow’s teenagers. I say this calls for action and now. Nip it in the bud. First sign of youngsters goin’ wrong, you got to nip it in the bud.Andy Taylor:
I’m gonna have a talk with ’em. Now, what more do you want me to do?Barney Fife:
Well, just don’t mollycoddle them.Andy Taylor:
I won’t.Barney Fife:
Nip it. You go read any book you want on the subject of child discipline and you’ll find that every one of them is in favor of bud-nippin’.
Now ensconced into her house seat, Rep. Greene will remain so until voted out in 2022 or removed. The latter is unlikely to happen unless she really does — God forbid — something impressively insane, and it would probably have to be criminally so as well, to be expelled from congress. Expulsion of a member has only happened five times in the entire history of the United States House of Representatives, a shockingly low number considering the rogues’ gallery that has trod the halls of congress. There is the supposedly pending GOP House Leader Kevin McCarthy’s “talking to” but since he spent part of his week re-kissing the ring of Donald J. Trump, we probably shouldn’t hold our breath. For the man who saw his first attempt to become Speaker of the House derailed by ethics concerns, to do much more than pose here as he plots to take the gavel in 2022 is asking too much, as moral turpitude is not in his purview or a step on his ladder to success. Since the late Walter Jones isn’t here to bud-nip the new batch of ethically challenged GOPers the way he did McCarthy’s run at speaker, mollycoddling it is.
Which is the real rub here, not just with Marjorie Taylor Greene but the other crazymakers that have wiled their way into the halls of congress. Once elected, it is very hard to get leadership to do anything about them because from their point of view it hurts their power. McCarthy wants to be Speaker of the House and to do that he needs a majority. Despite his brief ranging off the Trump reservation to mildly place “some blame” on President Trump for the January 6th riot at the Capitol, his staged and released photo with the former president — the first major such PR move from the 45th president since leaving office — seems to have resettled the GOP House Leader. From McCarthy and other GOP leaders’ POV, the crazies are a price to be paid in order to have the passion, support, and dollars such folks bring to the table. The mass of people arrayed outside the capitol on January 6th isn’t a problem to be dealt with to them, it is a voting group to be harness, fundraising dollars to be tapped, and support to be cherished. While they will condemn the violence once pinned down to do so, folks like Kevin McCarthy’s real desire isn’t to disband the crowds carrying Trump flags, but that they were carrying McCarthy flags instead, or chanting for [insert congress critter of your choice here, they all want that], or have even a sliver of the devotion Trump managed to garner. But using Trump as an avatar to get him what he wants is almost as good for Kevin McCarthy, and many other Republican office holders will tread the same path to try and advance themselves.
And that is the bargain that is being made. With Donald J. Trump now a private citizen, a scramble for “what’s next” is underway in the GOP. The quickest, easiest way for most of the office holders is to try and grab the conductors chair of the Trump Train for themselves instead of blazing their own path. It won’t work, since there is only one Trump and even, he needed a confluence of events to merge to make him president, but they are going to try again because political ambition is rarely creative. And since this is a matter of necessity and not principle, what’s a few lunatic fringes getting under the edges of this peculiar Big Tent as long as the show goes on, eh?
What cravenness. It will blow up in the GOP’s faces, eventually. Power — like money, alcohol, and social media — just makes you more of what you already were. The latest crops of GOP miscreants who are causing headaches for the party are known entities that were going to be trouble. Lauren Boebert of Colorado who had a running list of arrests and run-ins for not being able to control her behavior is, shockingly, showing signs of not being able to control her behavior. Matt Gaetz of Florida continues to beclown himself as the star of his own inner reality show where he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not shocking that the feller who grew up in the Truman Show house and whose liege calls him “Rick” has problems with processing reality. Then there are the utterly unhinged Louis Gohmerts of the party, the Arizona looney twofer of Reps. Biggs and Gosar, who knows what 2022 might bring, and the list goes on and on.
As for Marjorie Taylor Greene, she’s busy scrubbing all those social media posts that she once used to try and get her name out to the world now that they are proving problematic as a “respectable” congresswoman. And no, congresswoman, citing a tweet where you like Maya Angelou isn’t going to cut it as cover. Even a wackadoo can sense when she is in trouble, it would seem. But don’t worry, there is nothing new under the sun, leopards don’t change their spots, and the Marjorie Taylor Greenes of the world won’t be able to hold it together and toe the line for very long. The pressure of the limelight, or of re-election, or perhaps being redistricted, or her own ability to not be a functioning adult will conspire at some point to bring a period to the run-on sentence of crazy that is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I know that, because when she told me and the rest of the world who she is I took Maya Angelous’ advice and believed the congresswoman the first time. You should too.
There is no easy fix for a party that allows a crazymaker to join their ranks of elected officials. There is only prevention. Having not only failed to prevent, but actively encouraged Marjorie Taylor Greene and folks who find her particular brand of crazy attractive, the Republican Party purchased their ticket on this crazy train and now have to take the ride. Maybe next time they will heed the wise words of Deputy Fife and at the first sign of trouble Nip It. In. The. Bud.
Either way, don’t say you didn’t see it coming when Marjorie Taylor Greene and the others come tumbling down from the top of Mount Crazy and manage to take a few GOPers with them on the way. It’s the only way this story ends, the only way it can end: In disaster for not just the individual wackadoo, but the party that tolerated them thinking there was an advantage to be gained.
If you didn’t see it coming, that’s a you problem. You’ve been warned.
I would like to think that people like MTG (I can’t see that abbreviation without thinking of “Magic: The Gathering”) will be the ruination of the Republican Party, and doom them to the backbenches for a generation. However, we just had four years of Trump, whom I thought at the outset would never get anything but fringe support from the country.
So, I kind of feel all bets are off. So many people wave the stuff that seems scary and/or ridiculous off, or worse, embrace it.Report
This kind of populism seems to be all about making the establishment GOP as uncomfortable and clownish as possible, and it’s working better than the anyone could have ever hoped for.Report
After the violence at the Capitol (among other things*) I’m perplexed by the persistence of the “this is all about clowning” perspective. It’s very clearly not all about clowning.
*One example: Trump tried to execute a plan to fire the Acting AG and install a loyalist who would quickly open an “investigation” into various states vote counts thereby delaying the January 6 certification process. Funny stuff!Report
Your clowns are the wrong clowns.
The populists want the establishment to be the clowns, and they are. McCarthy didn’t have to go to Florida and now before the Trump, or promise to give MTG a “stern talking to” like he was about to lightly chastise a teenage boy about snapping a girl’s bra.Report
And he’s apparently further be-clowned himself by not choosing to punish her in any meaningful way, trying to hide behind Steny Hoyer to do so, and then when that failed trying to blame it on Democrats.
Its as if owning the Libs has become the central platform of the Republican party.Report
The problem is that a one-party Democratic supermajority would be disastrous. As bad as the Republicans are right now, they’re needed to maintain equilibrium and keep Democrats from passing all the dumb policy ideas they want to pass.
Whether Republicans or Democrats are worse is not important—what matters is either one alone will produce worse outcomes than divided government.
Ultimately, the problem is the electorate. When you have entire districts willing to elect garbage like MTG and the Squad, or primary voters nominating Trump and nearly nominating Sanders, that’s not a problem that can be solved by party leadership. It’s a deep sickness in the culture. Getting rid of primaries would probably be a good first step.Report
Sorry, you’re going to need to show your work.
Democrats would be more disastrous than a regime that intends to destroy democracy?
Explain this “disastrous” Democratic rule for us.Report
Brandon, like many “libertarians” suffers from business brain. He sees business rights as the superior and extreme rights and anything that gets in the way of that like civil rights for minorities, a right to having basic needs met and considered is bad, bad, bad and to be destroyed.Report
“And that’s why I’m on the side of the guys buying the Gamestop stock and not on the Hedge Funds shorting it.”Report
I live in a state, California, with a Democratic supermajority. It’s got problems, but it’s far from the fabled “hellhole” I read so much about.
So…I’m kind of skeptical of your thesis. It’s true that everyone has dumb ideas, and they have trouble walking away from them, and that’s what having two parties is good for.
However, rioting to disrupt and change the peaceful transfer of power is more than a “dumb idea”. Killing members of Congress is more than a “dumb idea”. Orbital space lasers starting forest fires is more than a dumb idea.
It doesn’t escape my notice that it is my state, MY STATE, that is the whipping boy here. That makes it a bit personal for me.
However, it isn’t up to me. I’ve done all I can. I didn’t vote for MTG. I didn’t vote for any of that garbage. It isn’t going to stop until Republicans stop voting for this garbage, in primaries and in the general. Maybe then we can get back to a sane opposition who can be relied on to kill some dumb ideas.Report
I’d like to see a wiser electorate too. But it seems to me that if your priority is divided government, you should be happy that some districts are strong for one party or the other.Report
Whether Republicans or Democrats are worse is not important
When one of them wants to destroy the rule of law, it kind of is.Report
The Democrats support many foolhardy policies, but this has gone beyond policy now. The Republicans need to return to being a reasonable party to oppose the Democrats or they need to be destroyed to allow another party to rise in its place.
The only way I see that happening is for the Republicans to wallow in defeat. They won’t change without a political incentive to change, nor will their followers abandon them so long as they can see victory in their grasp. That means the Republican party needs to suffer repeated, humiliating defeat. If that results in some bad policies being passed, that can be cleaned up later once balance is resorted, it’s not like your country is a stranger to bad policy decisions.
You may fear what the Democrats can do unopposed, but none of that will matter unless sanity is restored to the American right. Because if the Republicans stay in their current state for very long, your Republic is doomed.Report
Don’t forget, she’s also an antisemite. Although, with conspiracy theorists, it usually comes to that.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-republican-party-donates-thousands-to-qanon-supporting-congressional-candidate-1.9261310Report
Two words: Space Laser.Report
Actual video proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyoReport
I mean I definitely think the Jewish Space Laser thing is funny and have gotten sent plenty of memes lately. So I don’t want to be a party pooper… But she’s been subscribing to the classic antisemite theories for a while, even before thinking the Rothschilds have their own version of the death star. But, again, that’s par for the course with conspiracy theorists.Report
Our death star’s thermal exhaust port is shielded, so don’t even think about it.Report
I never thought that the debate between Woody Allen and Mel Brooks would become so current.Report
Can you take anything seriously? Or do you just want everyone to love you for your enthusiasm for video games and your desire to be a middle class nihilist who wants the world to burn?Report
The Republican Party more than tolerated loons, they openly cultivated their loon base and politicians for a long time since the 1960s. Then sometime after Bush II, the Republican elites finally lost control and the loons took over the party. It has been down hill since then. Greene, Boebert, Gohmert, Hawley, and others are the future of the Republican Party because of decades of work that preceded this moment.Report
And more importantly, the old structure where the Wall Street Republicans used the Culture War Republicans as foot soldiers has broken down.
The Culture War Republicans don’t need the Wall Street faction to win elections, or even provide respectable veneer.
They can win elections by being loud and proud and let their freak Stars and Bars flag fly.Report
2010 onward showed that Culture War Republicans can win elections just fine in the right districts and just need to use the gerrymander and voter repression to ensure that they always win. Since they see themselves as representing the one true United States, they have no problem with this.Report
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_P2aUZJyAReport
That and a policy agenda that amounts to “Make sure no one can vote against you.” Since winning elections on the basis of sound ideas is passe’.Report
I think Lee and Chip are correct. This problem is only going to get worse but has always been around. GA-14 choose Greene because they like the crazy, not despite liking the crazy. 2016 and 2020 proved a solid minority of Americans likes the crazy and thinks they crazy is true.Report
I don’t want to play “your anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nutjob who gets excused by your leadership makes it ok that we have an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nutjob who gets excused by our leadership”, because I don’t believe it. And I can’t say that your anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nutjob who gets excused by your leadership constitutes a worsening of your party, because Omar followed Farrakhan-fan Ellison. So can I just play one hand of BSDI and go have a nice weekend?Report
So she *is* excusable.
+1 !Report
I can’t tell if that’s a joke.Report
I’ve forgotten, which space-based weapon does Omar think Jews use to cause “natural” disasters?Report
You’re right, my comparison between two anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nutjobs who get excused by their leadership falls apart if they believe different conspiracy theories.Report
Also, Democratic Reps objecting to unauditable vote counts in Ohio in 2004 is exactly like inciting a riot in 2020.Report
You’re generalizing in such a way as to include things we’re not talking about and exclude things we are. That’s not moving goalposts, that’s switching sports.Report
It’s all deflecting by insisting ants in one side are the same as elephants on the other.Report
Well the usual suspects found a way to make this “Democrats are the real racists….”Report
I assume you’re talking about me, and yes, typically they are. They’re not the only racists, but come on, like you’ve never noticed the anti-Semitic left? Anyway, given that the article was about leadership nipping this kind of thing in the bud, and commenters were talking about this being an increasing problem on the right, it’s reasonable to bring a little perspective.Report
Democrats consider the existence of liberal racists a problem to be fixed.
Republicans consider it a justification.Report
It would be nice if this was true but the whole prop 16 thing out your way suggests to me it isn’t so simple.Report
BTW, if we’re serious about bud nipping then we should all agree that Trump should have been impeached a mere 4 months into his presidency for firing Jim Comey to “lift the cloud” of the Russia investigation, right? Of course we
diddo… 🙂ReportHell, there were good arguments at the time that California should have thrown its Electoral Votes to Rick Perry and we could have avoided a Trump Presidency altogether.Report
What were those “good arguments”? I don’t recall every hearing one.Report
Well, there was this one.Report
Ahh, when you said “good argument” I didn’t realize you meant “an argument”. My bad.Report
What are the tools at their disposal? Can they decaucus her?Report
GOP can do anything they want in that regard, of course. But why would they? She’s the defacto leader of the party right now.Report
America’s basic political problem is that neither party is competent to run the federal government. Inevitably, the Democrats will fail to do anything about our decaying economy and when 2022 rolls around, they’re likely to lose in Congress. And if things get sufficiently worse, we get a Trumpist president possibly with Republican congressional majorities. That person will have to be a whole lot more competent than Trump–almost anyone would be–and we can then kiss our republic goodbye.
But, really, the problem is not those in the federal government. It is *us*. We, with relatively few exceptions, want something for nothing–meaning that we want to steal it from someone else–and we want the government to support our particular prejudices and to benefit our particular tribe. We have abandoned the principles that made America, and our politicians merely reflect our immorality as a people. Blaming politicians–or the media or education or hedge funds or whoever–is mere scapegoating. Unless we take responsibility for our own lives and demand politicians who reflect our newly found morality, we are inevitably headed to despotism, and we have only ourselves to blame.Report
Point of order – the “federal government” is actually run by very competent career civil servants whose careers span presidents and Congressional majorities of both parties. We do our best with the tools (appropriations and statutes) we are given.
Your beef is not about the RUNNING of government. Its about the PROCESS of elected politicians making decisions. Please call a spade a spade.Report
You’re confusing “running the government” with “doing the work required to make the government run”. They’re not the same things; civil servants no more run the government than UPS drivers run UPS. Those who set the government’s policies and direct the actions of its civil servants are the ones running the government. And my beef is neither with politicians (though I hold most of them in deep contempt) nor with civil servants, it is with We The People, who have chosen incompetent, not to mention evil, people to rule our country.Report
Basically the only thing this thread taught me is that Jews are props in a narrative and not seen as people. Every thing here is so predictable as to be pathetic but trolls gotta troll just like junkies need a fix I guess.Report
A lot of us Jews think that the Left and the Right uses as props to bash the other side but ignore anti-Semitism when it comes from their side.Report
This is true, and worth expanding.
I’ve heard the same from both Jewish friends and Black people, that white liberals tend to use them as props but, are not reliable allies.
As a Jewish friend told me once, Gentiles are nice enough but not to be trusted. The same Gentile who will smile and chat amiably about sports or the weather will, at the slightest spark or incident, be part of the howling mob outside your store smashing your windows.
I’ve read the same sort of thing from Black people, that no matter how liberal or woke or progressive White people are, at the end of the day when a spark happens- the OJ trial, a mugging, a low income housing project proposal- will retreat into the worst sort of white racism.
In my own mind, I put this in the same category as how people claim a religious creed of universal brotherhood but behave as anything but.
One the one hand, the creed seems utterly ineffective at the one job it was supposed to do, but on the other, I guess having a creed and failing at it is still better than having a creed of nihilism.Report
My observation is that a lot of the non-Jewish Left likes invoking anti-Semitism when they can use it as a cudgel against the White Right but not so much when the anti-Semite is from a group they would rather not criticize like Muslims or people of color or there is some other goal deemed more important. This is why you had big massive rallies against Apartheid South Africa but not so much about the Soviet persecution of their Jews, because that would mean siding with Reagan/America/Israel ewww, or how MENA Jews were kicked out once the MENA states became free because anti-colonialism is more important.Report
Was that another shot at me? I don’t know, maybe that “usual suspects” comment has gotten under my skin, but I’ve spent years here stating and defending my opinions, and what you may be saying to be non-confrontational is striking me as passive-aggressive.Report
Maybe everyone should read this essay and reflect seriously instead of trolling?
https://www.vox.com/22256258/marjorie-taylor-greene-jewish-space-laser-anti-semitism-conspiracy-theories
“Put differently: The overarching structure of the modern Western conspiracy theory — a global cabal manipulating the world from behind the scenes for its own profit and power — is an anti-Semitic construct. Many of its most significant texts, like the infamous 1903 Russian forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, were explicitly anti-Semitic.”Report
Well, although I lean towards the Mel Brooks side of the argument over how to handle Not-sees, I will grant you the seriousness of all of this.
Specifically that anti-Semitism isn’t separate and apart from a general hatred for democracy and equality of persons. Once people accept the idea of a hierarchy of humanity where some are better than others, it can manifest in almost any direction and never stops until it is stopped by superior force.Report