13 thoughts on “The COVID-Flu Cocktail: A New Fall Tradition

  1. Novavax is where it’s at.

    The first Novavax shot I got was effortless. I might have felt a little run down the next day but it was the same as if I had a poor night’s sleep.

    This year’s Novavax was in one arm and the flu shot was in the other and the next day was awful. I felt like I got a Moderna. That was either this year’s flu shot or the result of mixing the two.

    Next year, I’ll mix them up.Report

    1. I’m scheduled for the COVID/flu combo this week (it’ll be Pfizer). I’m one of the lucky many who never experience side effects other than a sore arm from vaccines, and may that trend continue.Report

  2. Got mine Thursday. Thursday night I was pretty run down, had a few chills and used more blankets to sleep than usual. Friday I was dehydrated (probably from sweating a lot in the night from all those blankets) but otherwise right as rain.

    This is a far sight from 2020, when people were dying everywhere. Operation Warp Speed was really a good thing. I think Trump doesn’t get a lot of credit for it for the reasons the OP says, but also because those of us who think about “credit” for governmental actions realize that President Clinton would have done nearly the exact same thing, or if she had been impeached out of office by then, President Kaine would have also.

    The interesting counter-factual to me is not what a Democratic President would have done in that circumstance, but rather if President Trump had succumbed to COVID when he got it, and President Pence had launched Operation Warp Speed (or called it something like Operation Swift Angel; Pence is famously a very religious man) and done it in memoriam for the fallen President. That would have been the only — but a big — achievement of his short Presidency as he stood for election; my imagination suggests that in this counterfactual, President Pence would have been elected to a term in his own right and a forever WHACK against the liberal trope that religious conservatives are anti-science. You may imagine further political, legal, international, and cultural implications from there (SCOTUS, Ukraine, Israel, pandemic recovery, etc.).Report

  3. I am apparently in the very elite category of never having had COVID(*). I’m also among my acquaintances in the very elite category of getting the booster the first week it is available.

    I was randomly assigned Pfizer for my first vaccine, and stuck to it except for one Moderna shot after I read that the mix-and-match of vaccines gave added protection. Again, my poll of acquaintances points out that the effects of Moderna tends to be worse than with Pfizer.

    In six or seven vaccinations I’ve never had any secondary effects, except on my second dose, which coincided with a big work milestone that got celebrated with significantly more booze (including three whiskies) than my baseline. I had a headache the next day (and a very dreadful flight from San Francisco to Houston) that lasted until 6 pm. It totally was a reaction to the vaccine.

    (*) My doctor believes I have some sort of genetic natural immunity to COVID. He says at this time people that have not caught COVID, no matter how many vaccines, are as rare as black swans. Just like I have genetically very high cholesterol, and only massive doses of statins are probably keeping me alive.Report

    1. Maribou and I, somehow, have never gotten it.

      Maribou insisted that every time we got a cough or a sniffle that we use one of our many, many tests and every single time, they came up negative. It’s not like we got sick and failed to test.

      I have no idea how that happened.

      If we got it, it was the asymptomatic kind.

      (My theory is that we did get it, back in January 2020 when a friend came back from visiting Singapore. Everybody in the office got “the crud” and took 3-4 days off due to it and we made jokes about how we were already hit with the “novel coronavirus” by the time February rolled around.)Report

      1. It’s not that surprising to me that working age adults could dodge it indefinitely. It’s gone through my house 3 times, with each instance coming from the children.

        Before I had kids I never got sick. Thought I must have this great immune system. Now my wife and I are constantly fighting off something or another. Turns out the real reason for the lack of colds and viruses was that adults are not in your face and physical space the way children are. I don’t care how many times I see one of those charts that shows just how far stuff travels in a cubicle farm from a cough or a sneeze. It isnt the same.Report

    2. I’ve never tested positive for Covid. So far as I know, I’ve never had the flu either, whether I got a vaccination or not. My understanding is that for pretty much any given virus, 2% or so of the human population is naturally immune. This got a lot more attention when researchers realized that about 2% of the population doesn’t get infected by HIV no matter how or how often they’re exposed.Report

  4. Before I go on, I have to make clear that what follows is a serious, honest question. I ask it not to advance a political agenda, but because I do not know the answer and would like to.

    We all know that President Trump announced “Operation Warp Speed” as an initiative to hurry the development of a covid vaccine. And indeed, the vaccines were developed remarkably quickly. What did the President, or any member of his administration, actually do to make it happen, other than announce it?Report

    1. My understanding is that the distinction between operation warp speed and the drive in the EU was that the government spent the money (via CARES Act) on multiple vaccine development initiatives simultaneously, with the understanding some would inevitably fail. Sort of a lowering of normal standards of proof required for funding in the hope it would increase speed. You can of course find people that dispute how successful that was but that is the concept and we did end up with widespread vaccine availability more quickly.Report

      1. The FDA also took the COVID vaccines to the front of the line procedurally, and basically swept everything else aside for the approval process. This was made easier by the fact that the mRNA frameworks for two of the three were well known from cancer vaccine research for almost 2 decades by that point.Report

    2. “What did the President, or any member of his administration, actually do to make it happen, other than announce it?”

      See, we can provide answers, but will they get a response of “yes, I see” or a response of “well actually here’s why that doesn’t apply”?

      Because you could Google just as well as the rest of us, if you wanted to learn things.Report

  5. I had both in September before traveling to an ocean technology conference in Canada. I made the mistake of having both in the same (Left) arm, which hurt badly for several days. But otherwise no side effects. Not unlike every other time I had the shot.

    I have had 3 confirmed cases so far – one during the height of the pandemic, and two much milder cases after the vaccines were introduced. We have never been sure of the vector – though my wife’s last case came from a meeting in Alaska where nearly everyone tested positive after.Report

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