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Jaybird

Jaybird is Birdmojo on Xbox Live and Jaybirdmojo on Playstation's network. He's been playing consoles since the Atari 2600 and it was Zork that taught him how to touch-type. If you've got a song for Wednesday, a commercial for Saturday, a recommendation for Tuesday, an essay for Monday, or, heck, just a handful a questions, fire off an email to AskJaybird-at-gmail.com

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  1. Jaybird
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    At first, I thought that this was yet another GenXer complaining about corporate censorship of art that didn’t comprehend the art that it was censoring. “Join the club, pal”, I thought.

    Then I looked at who posted it.Report

    • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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      https://decider.com/2024/06/18/amazon-censors-full-metal-jacket-artwork-remove-born-to-kill-slogan/

      However, others noted that the words were likely left out of the listing as a design requirement — since, as we mentioned, the original slogan is still available on the thumbnail.

      “Once again, this isn’t censorship. Many platforms have rules against written text on the main background graphic,” one offered. “It’s there to prevent studios from filling the graphic with critic quotes, mostly.”

      Glancing at a few other films, this does seem to be a pattern.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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        You’d think that Modine would care less about them removing the artwork if it was done for reasons like keeping studios from changing the artwork.Report

        • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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          It’s okay to admit that you were wrong because you didn’t actually understand what happened.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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            I’m delighted to have @mikefkndj point out:
            “Matthew, someone posted the other day it’s got to do with not allowing text on the main page photo, because if they allow it the promoters will slap all sorts of critic reviews and stars all over it. The thumbnail still includes the wording, just not the banner on the listing.”

            His attribution of this position to “someone” is compelling and I can easily see how you’re swayed by it.Report

            • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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              Um, what? I quoted the article which makes specific reference to other Tweeters responding with that information… which is what I quoted. The article’s authors reached out to Amazon for comment but didn’t hear back.

              I checked several other movies and saw the same: thumbnails with text that was removed from the larger image.

              Is your point that I shouldn’t listen to people on Twitter? Boy, that’s a whopper coming from you!

              Again. You’re wrong. And now you’re doubling down with borderline ad hominems. An impressive display of assholery!Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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                Kazzy, I quoted, in its entirety, the tweet the story linked to.

                Here, let me copy the story you linked to:

                “Once again, this isn’t censorship. Many platforms have rules against written text on the main background graphic,” one offered. “It’s there to prevent studios from filling the graphic with critic quotes, mostly.”

                Another commented, “Matthew, someone posted the other day it’s got to do with not allowing text on the main page photo, because if they allow it the promoters will slap all sorts of critic reviews and stars all over it. The thumbnail still includes the wording, just not the banner on the listing.”

                The first link in those two paragraphs doesn’t like to the right tweet. It, instead, links to Modine’s tweet. The second links to @mikefkndj’s tweet.

                “Matthew, someone posted the other day it’s got to do with not allowing text on the main page photo, because if they allow it the promoters will slap all sorts of critic reviews and stars all over it. The thumbnail still includes the wording, just not the banner on the listing.”

                I wouldn’t argue that you shouldn’t listen to people on Twitter.
                But neither would I argue that you should listen to them.

                Their arguments are the things that are worth listening to.

                The argument that someone pointed out that someone pointed out that if it were allowed then promoters would slap words and graphics on the graphic is one that I don’t find particularly compelling.

                Do you find it compelling?Report

              • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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                What I find compelling is an observable trend wherein one sort of image (often with text) is used in thumbnails and another sort of image (without text) is used on the main page. I observed this myself. This was not specific to this particular movie and almost certainly has nothing to do with the message of that movie or that text. Modine doesn’t appear to know that so his objection was reasonable in that context. But you have additional context… what I’ve offered you here and what folks on Twitter seemed to present with a certain degree of confidence and knowledge.

                But if you want to cling to the idea that Amazon specifically targeted this movie, this image, and the idea behind it.. by all means, you have the right to be wrong.Report

              • Kazzy in reply to Kazzy
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                Some examples:

                The Godfather
                Toy Story
                Clockwork Orange
                Sound of Music
                Passion of the ChristReport

              • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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                I looked at those movies on Prime Streaming one by one:

                The Godfather showed a still from the movie where someone is whispering in Brando’s ear, not the poster.

                Toy Story shows a still from the movie where Buzz Lightyear is standing in Andy’s room.

                Clockwork Orange shows a still from the movie where the lads are in the milk bar.

                The Sound of Music shows Julie Andrews in, like, the 80’s or the 90’s or something, dressed like she’s being interviewed by someone.

                Passion of the Christ shows a still from the movie of Jesus post-crown of thorns, pre-crucifixion.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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                “Eh, they censored the art but not because they were being censorious, they were doing what they always do” is a good defense about censoriousness, I guess.

                But I’ll quote Modine again: “Not only did they alter a piece of iconic art by Philip Castle, but they completely misunderstood the point of it being there.”

                I’d cheerfully amend this statement on his behalf:

                “Not only did they alter a piece of iconic art by Philip Castle, but the point of it being there was secondary to their corporate concerns.”

                I think we can all agree with that sentence as written.Report

              • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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                So, you’re acknowledging you were wrong? COOL! Only took [scrolls] 9 more exchanges after the initial one that made this very point. Progress!Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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                To be perfectly honest, I think that they’d be better off if they had included a still from the movie.

                I checked and here’s a partial list of the movies that did that instead of editing iconic art:

                The Godfather
                Toy Story
                Clockwork Orange
                Sound of Music
                Passion of the ChristReport

              • Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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                Huh.

                Nice.Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Kazzy
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            “It’s okay to admit that you were wrong because you didn’t actually understand what happened.”

            …it isn’t Jaybird you need to be yelling at here, it’s the guy who was the actor in the movie and was wondering why such a significant aspect of it was apparently being censored.

            like

            do we need to ask you how you’d feel if you hadn’t had breakfast yesterday, hereReport

      • DensityDuck in reply to Kazzy
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        “Many platforms have rules against written text on the main background graphic”

        okay so if someone used a photo of the Stonewall Inn as the graphic for a documentary and airbrushed out the word “STONEWALL”, you’d accept “it’s the platform rules” as the explanation and would not even a little bit find it suspicious?Report

        • Kazzy in reply to DensityDuck
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          Responding to both your comments…

          1.) Yes, Matthew Modine was wrong in his initial Tweet. It appears several people tried to set him straight. I have no idea how he responded. I’m not on X/Twitter so I can’t see the entirety of the exchanges. If he indeed doubled down on his initial comments despite being given additional information to the contrary, I would also point out the silliness. I’m pointing out Jaybird’s here because, well, Jaybird is here and this follow a longstanding pattern of him refusing to listen/learn when provided new information and constantly manipulating conversations to pretend he didn’t say what he said or that evidence that counters his claim really actually totally supports his claims and blahblahblah. He is a disingenuous interlocutor and I like pointing out when that is the case.

          2.) I think Modine’s, Jaybird’s, and I’m sure lots of other folks’ initial skepticism was warranted. I think given that Amazon does this in some form or fashion on apparently every single movie and the associated imagery on their streaming platform shows that the skepticism that individual movies and/or their viewpoints are being targeted isn’t ultimately justified. This doesn’t mean the platform’s rules policy are good or are beyond criticism… just that the idea a particular viewpoint is being singled out doesn’t survive scrutiny.

          BUT HEY!!! GOOD NEWS!!! Amazon has adjusted their approach and now indeed includes a movie still that features the helmet in question. More info here: https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/amazon-caves-after-matthew-modine-calls-out-full-metal-jacket-censorship/#google_vignette

          I can also verify that searching for this still shows the one movie poster in the thumbnail and the screenshot in the full details page (I won’t share links since I think that will get the comment sent to mod but you can easily search yourself).

          Ultimately, I don’t really care what Amazon’s rules are in situations like this and I don’t particularly care that Modine was bothered by what he observed and took to Twitter; he has a deep and personal connection to the movie, that character, and that imagery. It makes sense he’d be upset, even if it was just because of Amazon’s policies.

          I just thought it was fun to point out how silly Jaybird was being as he doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on whatever his initial point was despite direct evidence to the contrary being offered to him. Also that he claimed I shouldn’t consider what folks are saying on Twitter as some sort of worthwhile source when all he does is tell us what people on Twitter are saying… EVEN HERE! Bwahahaha…Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Kazzy
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            “I just thought it was fun to point out how silly Jaybird was being as he doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on whatever his initial point was despite being given additional information to the contrary…”

            well one of the tweets in the story is deleted, the other is a restatement of someone else’s summary of someone else’s statement. but if you want to believe whatever shows up on Twitter I guess there’s nothing I can say!

            it should have been pretty easy for you to find an actual source describing this policy but apparently that was too much like work.

            “I don’t really care what Amazon’s rules are in situations like this” you typed quite a lot of words for something you don’t care about

            “Amazon has adjusted their approach and now indeed includes a movie still that features the helmet in question.”

            an intriguing response to a situation where, you claim, Jaybird was totally wrong and this was just Amazon following policy and anyone who said differently was lying scumReport

  2. Steve Casburn
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    I notice a lot of overlap in social media between people who post about drinking leaded gasoline while growing up in the ’70s and turning out just fine and people who have forgotten that inflation in the ’70s was FAR worse than it has been during the post-pandemic economic disruption.

    “Toughen up and get on with it” tends to be easier advice to give than to take.Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    Willie Mays, one of the last legends of old-time baseball has died.Report

  4. Saul Degraw
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    How not to help your cause, a continuing series: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw44mdee0zzoReport

  5. Jaybird
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    Good news for Lawyers: The lawyer who was temporarily disbarred for throwing a poop-filled Pringles ™ can from his car on at least 10 different occasions has had his license reinstated.

    READ NEXT

    Anticipated new Cameron Mitchell restaurant announces opening date
    Last November, the Supreme Court of Ohio suspended a criminal defense attorney for….well, a pretty crappy code of misconduct.

    Jack Blakeslee was found guilty for throwing a Pringles potato chip can filled with his own feces into the parking lot of a crime-victim advocacy center. During his confession, Blakeslee admitted to pooping in Pringles cans on at least 10 different occasions, then tossing the cans in a variety of random locations.

    He described his actions as pranks, and explained that he did this to “blow off steam” before heading into work. Supreme Court documents show that he said that he liked to imagine the “look of surprise” on the faces of those who found the Pringles cans filled with his own feces.

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    The disciplinary counsel found that Blakeslee’s poop-filled Pringles toss was targeted towards the advocacy center, Haven of Hope. Videos showed Blakeslee passing the parking lot, circling back to toss the can, then speeding away. Michelle Carpenter Wilkinson, the chief executive officer of the center who Blakeslee has known for 20 years, spotted him throwing the Pringles can. When she discovered the can was filled with his waste, she filed a report with Cambridge Police Department. Blakeslee and Wilkinson were scheduled to be in court together 15 minutes after the poop-filled Pringles can throw, where Blakeslee was representing someone accused in a capital murder case.

    The Court found that Blakeslee’s can throw wasn’t necessarily an act of hostility or intimidation, but since he has a history of flinging his poop cans in random spots on a number of different occaions, this targeted incident demonstrated an escalation of “a preexisting pattern of conduct to seek an even greater thrill by pulling a prank on someone he knew.”

    Note to self: If you’re going to throw Pringles cans filled with poop at a rival, throw them at complete strangers for a while first.Report

  6. Jaybird
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    This is something that I am seriously going to try to keep track of:

    This is one of the most interesting things I’ve seen for a long time. Housing for the homeless in a high-rise. Maybe it’ll work. Maybe it’ll be Cabrini-Green all over again.

    If it works, we should do it all over the country.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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      The failure of most proposals for solving homelessness starts with thinking of it as a problem to be solved instead of a situation to be managed.

      Meaning even after the tenants move in there will be a continuing need for intensive counseling, security, and maintenance which will be very expensive and by necessity borne by the taxpayers.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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        I think that an additional problem is this:

        “Would you be willing to pay $X to solve homelessness?”
        “Yes.”
        “Would you be willing to pay $Y to manage homelessness indefinitely?”
        “What? No!”

        (Assume that Y is larger than X.)

        I’m not sure that that problem can be overcome in a democracy.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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          Not in a democracy it can’t but in a republic it canReport

        • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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          I recommend looking at San Antonio, and specifically at what they’ve done, how much it’s cost, what it’s meant for policing homelessness, and perhaps most importantly, who’s paying for it (or rather, who’s not). It is in many ways a great success; in some ways, less of one, but it’s a strong model to start with.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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            A campus? Seems like the goal is to “graduate” people away from homelessness rather than manage it indefinitely.

            And it seems to require a billionaire instead of a committee.

            But… it seems like a good model, at least for the… what? A quarter of the people who go there who actually graduate (with another half actually looking to be on a graduation track of some kind)? That’s an amazing success rate.

            We can compare the Skid Row tower to San Antonio, I guess.Report

            • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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              It has layers:

              Layer 1: a campsite on the edge of the “campus,” with security, access to laundry, showers, bathrooms, lockers, veterinary care, and perhaps some stuff I’m forgetting, along with some services.

              Layer 2: admission to the campus. This requires a commitment to “wrap-around” services, including mental health services, addiction services, financial services, help with finding jobs, and ultimately help with more permanent housing.

              Layer 3: “Alumni.” People who’ve “graduated” from Layer 2, who still have access to services, and who are also part of the counseling process for the people in Layer 2. Basically, one of the best things for people experiencing homelessness to get out of homelessness long-term is for them to be exposed to people who have already done that.

              So it’s not just dumping them out. They do have access to services even after leaving the campus.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels
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        This is correct. People want to solve a lot of problems but you really can’t solve many problems. Just manage them. The taxpayers don’t want to pay for very expensive services and you have to many activists with an utter fear of some coercion and compulsion in getting the homeless to take the services that exist for them. They won’t it to be completely voluntary. It can’t and won’t be.Report

  7. Philip H
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    Leave it to the state I grew up in to believe that this text:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Means you get to do this:

    House Bill 71, approved by state lawmakers last month, mandates that a poster-size display of the Ten Commandments with “large, easily readable font” be in every classroom at schools that receive state funding, from kindergarten through the university level.

    The legislation specifies the exact language that must be printed on the classroom displays and outlines that the text of the Ten Commandments must be the central focus of the poster or framed document.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/politics/louisiana-classrooms-ten-commandments/index.htmlReport

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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      Obviously, the First Amendment refers to *CONGRESS* and not the states.

      (See? This is what y’all sound like.)

      Anyway, it’s not like the kids can read so I’m sure that the damage is already mitigated somewhat.

      (Yes, this is unconstitutional. Yes, the First Amendment has been Incorporated. Welcome to the resistance. I hope you’re able to defeat this obviously silly and meaningless gesture.)Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H
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      MAGAs don’t really care about the Ten Commandments any more than they care about “tradition” in any form. But they are riven with rage and spite at those they consider inferior so these sorts of measures are only meant to be vice signaling.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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        Chip, the rate of Religious Displays Per Capita has been steadily going down since its peak in the 1980’s.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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          Which explains the rise of Christian Nationalism. They need to enforce through coercion what they can’t get through persuasion.

          This is why I keep saying we can never accept their arguments at face value.

          Religion, tradition, liberty…these words are now vice signals intended to inflict punishment on their hated Outgroups.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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      Saw a funny tweet that suggested: “There should be a new tort called “wrongful legislation” so that citizens/voters can sue elected officials directly without QI when they pass legislation which is clearly and unmistakably unconstitutional.”

      The guy who pointed it out was salivating at the thought of establishing such a law.

      I suppose that I’d be okay with such a law as well, when I think about it for a few minutes.Report

  8. Philip H
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    It seems all is not well in Bibi Land:

    A television interview followed by a sharp government response is the latest evidence of a deepening rift between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the military over whether Hamas can be eliminated and the lack of a broader day-after plan for the end of the war in Gaza.

    Netanyahu and his office have repeatedly stated that the main goal of the war is the destruction of Hamas, but they have avoided talking about how the Gaza Strip would be governed afterward — something the military insists needs to be established.

    An Israel Defense Forces spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said in an interview late Wednesday with Channel 13: “Hamas cannot be destroyed. Hamas is an idea. Those who think it can be made to disappear are wrong.”

    In what has been viewed as a rare and pointed message from the military to Israeli political leadership, Hagari continued: “What we can do is foster something new to replace Hamas. Who will that be? What will it be? That’s for the political leadership to decide.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/20/idf-hamas-netanyahu-gaza-israel/Report

  9. Jaybird
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    Apparently, the FBI raided the mayor of Oakland’s house today.

    And republicans think that the DOJ is biased!Report

  10. LeeEsq
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    French Jews find themselves stuck between a rock and hard place during the upcoming French elections, see anti-Semitism coming from the Right and the Left. They don’t trust anybody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/world/europe/french-election-antisemitism-jews.htmlReport

  11. Jaybird
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    Politico has an article about Colorado Springs! And they didn’t obviously lie too much!

    (Note: The most dangerous place in Colorado Springs is to stand between Richard Skorman and a reporter.)Report

  12. Jaybird
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    You’re not going to believe this, but Amazon Prime has readded the writing to the helmet.

    Check it out here.Report

  13. Jaybird
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    Okay. I read this tweet and I immediately thought “that seems implausible”:

    I looked into Elliot Malin’s twitter and it’s not like he’s a new guy, he’s been on since 2012.

    I thought about the numbers and wondered how I could check to see if it were not true.

    First thought was to check the OpenSecrets website and look at the donors.

    Here’s the numbers for 2020.

    And here’s the numbers for 2024.

    First glance stuff:

    2020: Top five donors had 3 red, 2 blue.
    2024: Top five has 5 red.

    2020: Top ten donors had 6 red, 4 blue.
    2024: Top ten donors have 7 red, 2 blue, 1 both

    2020 Top 25 donors had 14 red, 11 blue
    2024: Top 25 donors has 15 red, 7 blue, 3 both

    Hrm.

    Maybe.Report

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