Sports Betting Opponents Try Mopping Water Off Legalized Gambling Beachhead

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  1. Kazzy
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    I’m a fan of sports gambling but I do have issues with how the industry is running right now, including:

    – such an intense focus on gambling-related storylines; I once saw the ESPN bottom line show a hockey final of 7-1 and the only not mentioned that the O/U was 7.5 and the final goal was scored with less than a second. Really? That’s the only interesting thing that happened?
    – Predatory marketing, particularly in the form of “bonus offers” that have insane rules that are almost impossible to understand. “Get $1000 free! With a 10X play through requirement. And every dollar played only counts at 10%. Unless you play these common games… then it doesn’t count at all.”
    – And connecting these two, the advertising exposure to young people.

    I think adults should be free to gamble legally, on sports and other things. And I think any gambler who thinks they have an edge deserves what they get. But I do think the above three issues cause real problems, ranging from negative impacts on fan enjoyment (less of a concern) to manipulative business practices aimed at vulnerable people (more of a concern).

    I don’t know what the solution is but as someone who supports sports gambling, it is not without real costs (beyond just wins and losses).Report

    • InMD in reply to Kazzy
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      I’m in a similar place on this. I never thought making gambling totally illegal outside of a town in the desert and a town in the state that is the desert of culture and human decency made sense. However I worry about the predatory aspect of this and the removal of all friction in the process via online apps. It’s a recipe for big business to take gazillions to the bank on the back of human misery.

      Back when I was in college there were starting to be these legal grey area websites where you could gamble on games of virtual poker. Texas Hold Em was becoming a fad, and you’d periodically hear stories about people getting black out drunk then losing huge sums in their dorm room or frat house. Now these were college kids, and I’m not sure how collections would work (if at all) in the legal environment. My guess is worst thing that happened was people maxing out credit cards. However I think of that phenomena, legalized, with all the gimmicks, and put in every person’s pocket and get a really bad feeling in my stomach.

      Anyway, it’s one thing to say we’re no longer going to treat all wagering as a crime. It’s another to say we’re going to give big business a complete free for all, open season on people. I think the latter is the path we’re on and that it’s going to get way worse before it gets better.Report

      • Doctor Jay in reply to InMD
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        I have similar issues, but I come at it in a very different way.

        When I participate in an office pool based on March Madness, it’s social. It’s something to talk about with the other employees. It’s not a lot of money, but it’s enough to get your attention.

        That’s something I might participate in.

        When it’s some app on my phone, I want nothing to do with it. When it’s a social thing, there is some structure that regulates ones behavior. Nobody else is throwing down big bucks on the pool, and you would look strange if you tried to, for instance.

        Like so many other things in the digital space, what they are looking for is addicts. Find them, or create them, because that’s how they make money.Report

        • InMD in reply to Doctor Jay
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          Yea, I think there’s a real distinction to the purpose of the money. In a friendly card game the point (hopefully) isn’t to try to rob your friends and neighbors blind, it’s just to force everyone to play the game with a minimal level of seriousness. In the fantasy football leagues I am in, the buy in does serve to make a nice little pot for prizes, but the point is to give people an incentive to participate in the draft and actually maintain their lineups so the match ups are all contested. It’s similar with office march madness pools.

          That’s all fundamentally different than bombardment with advertising, confusing gimmicks and stakes that most people don’t get, and algorithms and ticklers unleashed in peoples phones, all to the ends of encouraging people to spend spend spend.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    I have done the Superbowl Squares thing at work. Put five bucks in the kitty, get a square. Here’s a $20. Can I have the corners? Oh, they were taken? Well, I’ll take these four, then. I put $10 down for March Madness and did my bracket and was mathematically eliminated halfway through the first day.

    $30/year is fine, though. That’s a half dozen fun conversations talking about the myriad ways to get a 9-0 score by the end of the 1st quarter or why we should have expected Oakland to beat Kentucky. (“Oakland has a *LOT* more recreational basketball players than Kentucky does.” “It’s Oakland, Michigan. Not Oakland, California.” “It is?” “It is.”)

    I very much dislike the opacity of sports gambling as it seems to exist. “I’ve got $110 on Green Bay and the line is only 4.5 points (-110)!”

    And then you hammer out what -110 means, the difference between 4.5 points and a touchdown or a field goal, and how easy it is to bet $X+N to win $X but what exactly goes into betting $X for a shot at winning $X+N.

    And, yeah, buying a couple of squares for a superbowl party is fun. Buying a bracket is fun. $30 a year? I spend more than that on shredded cheese in any given month. But having Paige Spiranac explain to me that I can bet during a game four times during any given episode of Raw tells me that there is at least enough money in sports gambling to purchase four commercials during Raw. And learning more about lines and the numbers in the parentheses gets me to say that, yeah, whatever this is… this ain’t buying a square.Report

    • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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      I enjoy a friendly wager or card game here and there. I also play fantasy football every year in a league with college friends + spouses, and will buy a mega millions or whatever when the jackpot gets so big they’re talking about it on the news.

      However there’s really only one thing people need to remember about all these apps, casinos and other companies. And that’s that they would not exist if people were winning.Report

  3. DensityDuck
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    “Well, hon, it’s in your ass now, so, complaining about it is merely an exercise in futility. I suggest you stop fooling yourself. Clearly you’re in the minority here. What are you going to do, demand the government do something about this?”Report

  4. Jaybird
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    I remember reading old MAD magazine articles that talked about basketball point shaving. Okay, I googled it. It was from “The MAD College Primer” from #78 which was April 1963.

    Anyway, I bring that up to mention this:

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