Its The Quiet Ones You Have To Watch Out For: Mike Johnson Edition

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  1. Philip H says:

    Its not completely true he has no leadership experience – he was Vice Chair of the House Republican Conference, which made him Elise Stefaniak’s deputy. It is true that he is a better spoken not so bombastic Jim Jordan, who was just a less slick Kevin McCarthy. So I don’t expect any change in policy orientation of the House.

    And I noticed something he said in his acceptance speech – that he intends to foster “Regular Order” which is GOP code for running each appropriation by itself. The more i think about it, the more I think its a play to jam democrats – by running regular order appropriations, the House GOP can load individual bills with poison pill clauses that Senate Democrats would likely reject. That creates the possibility of individual agencies being shut down, and the GOP being able to hang the millstones for that around Democrats necks.

    We shall see I suppose . . .Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Philip H says:

      Promising regular order is probably a necessary step for Johnson. It gets a bunch of committee chairs on his side. It gives him an excuse to ask for an extension of the current CR. It gives him time to work out a bunch of staffing changes in the Speaker’s Office.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

      Six hours before you posted this, you were complaining that Congress didn’t follow the appropriations rules. Are you just assuming bad will from your opponents, or did you change your mind on the issue?Report

      • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

        Congress still isn’t following their own rules – its almost November and we don’t have full year appropriations.

        What I’m pointing out is there is an additional political move to be had here that the GOP is surely contemplating. Because they have made it plain through numerous speeches and interviews they want to jam up democrats heading into the election next year. As they have been trying to do for over 40 years . . . .Report

  2. Pinky says:

    I hope he’s good at his job and I have no reason to doubt him, but I wouldn’t assume he’s a brilliant tactician. The House GOP was getting frustrated and embarrassed, and there was going to be an agreement soon.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

      He’s certainly stupid enough to take the job.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Pinky says:

      If, through some unintentional miracle I was elected to the House, the first thing I’d be looking for for my staff is an expert on procedure. The second thing I’d be looking for is a really good tactician. Then a spymaster. Then constituent service. Then I’d worry about policy expertise.Report

      • Pinky in reply to Michael Cain says:

        I agree about the value of a parliamentarian. And actually, any one of those offices you listed can benefit from someone with institutional knowledge. We underrate it and assume that it’s the same as swampy corruption or knowing where the bodies are buried, but man is it handy to have someone who knows what to do.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

        The House has a professional parliamentarian on staff. Always has. Ditto the Senate.Report

        • Michael Cain in reply to Philip H says:

          Not procedure at that level. What forms do I have to fill out when? Reserve a conference room for Friday morning. Keep me straight on what kinds of business I can use my office phone for. Are my personal idiosyncrasies about e-mail breaking any rules?

          I watched new incoming members of the Colorado legislature consistently get tripped up by the daily routine, and the Colorado system is way simpler than Congress.Report

          • Pinky in reply to Michael Cain says:

            There’s an old story of when Howard Baker became Senate Majority Leader and Robert Byrd moved to Senate Minority Leader. Baker approached him and said, “here’s the deal, I’m never going to know the rules as well as you do, so how about we agree that I’ll never surprise you if you never surprise me?”. Byrd took the deal and continued to exercise a great deal of power.

            Always respect the rules guy.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

            The Hill has a professional staff independent of the Committees who handle most of that. Both the female reading clerks you have seen on TV are more then 20 year veterans of the Hill. While they could be let go by a new Speaker, they are federal civil servants, not political appointees. Ditto most of the rest of the faceless staff who sit below the speaker’s rostrum.

            And outgoing Congressional staff are often (but not always) rehired by incoming members of the same party. One of my congressional mentors was a guy who had worked Committee permanent staff for 30 years by the time he retired, and the member who hired him for personal staff wasn’t on that committee for a decade.

            The form stuff is done in a new member and new staff bootcamp in December before the new Congress is seated. I won’t say it always runs well all the time, but they have systems in place for this.Report

  3. So the only thing that can unite the GOP is a religious right fundamentalist crank.

    Good to know.Report

  4. AK says:

    A backbencher with no leadership experience who is part of the right wing media bubble and has never, ever in his life had to work with anyone outside that bubble is, I suspect, someone who is going to embody the Peter Principle as Speaker.Report

  5. Douglas Hayden says:

    I remain skeptical that Johnson is more Frank Underwood than Condor from By The Dawn’s Early Light, the last guy left who’s not ready for prime time. Whether it was Crenshaw’s threat of moving to plurality vote or – as I’ve heard and believe less likely – McCarthy threatening to go to the Democrats, the caucus had arrived at the time to #### or get off the pot and handed the gavel to the most least threatening guy they could find. Time will tell if he’s up to the job or not.Report

  6. Philip H says:

    Watching the House proceedings today and my suspicions about “regular order” appropriations are being confirmed. Amendments so far approved for the 2024 Energy & Water Spending Bill (which provides $57.958 billion in total funding for the Department of Energy, Army Corps of Engineers, Bureau of Reclamation, and independent agencies) are all designed to defund Biden Administration programs and priorities previously funded in 2023 and before. These are the poison pills that will doom the bill in the Senate.Report

    • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

      The fundamental problem of the situation hasn’t been resolved. There is a speaker now but as I understand it he is still subject to another vote based on the motion of a single Republican, which means he has no room to negotiate with the Senate or the White House. There will either be a shut down or he will be forced to rely on Democratic votes for a clean, short term extension and lose the speakership, just like McCarthy did.Report