Republicans Are Getting Crazier

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Philip H
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    THere’s some really weird image inclusion/editing going on with this post. I want to read it but something is REALLY wonky.Report

  2. Peter Moore
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    It comes through fine in RSS. On the site, All the text starting with “Unsurprisingly, although Haley called the attempt at intimidation” was added as a caption to image from twitter of the birdcage. So probably some unclosed element with the image?Report

  3. Pinky
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    Rantings of a madman or factual content? Looks like both.Report

  4. Chip Daniels
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    Imagine being a time traveler and going back to 1993, or 1983 or 1973 and posting the transcript from one of Trump’s speeches in the NYT, ascribing it to one of the leading Presidential candidates of the time, like if Bill Clinton or Howard Baker were calling one of the Defense chiefs a traitor and demanding his execution.

    Or if say, the Brookings Institution were publishing articles calling for an American Caesar to rise up and rule as a dictator.

    The American political world would have stopped revolving, and his political career would have been over instantly, and his party would have disavowed him as a deranged madman.

    In 2023 we have normalized the madness to where this is so unremarkable an occurrence that it barely makes the front page.Report

  5. Christopher Bradley
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    Wildly entertaining watching right wing idealogues ALMOST get it, but continue the circular “wow these guys are crazy maybe they shouldn’t be crazy but then they wont get any support from the craz-“. I love the “Authoritarian tendencies” thing, it’s almost like all of the caterwauling about small gubbmint, liberty, taxes bad, etc. didn’t ever mean anything…Report

  6. Philip H
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    Not unexpected – Democrats have decided not to throw him a lifeline. Can’t say as i blame them, what with his willingness to renege on the default aversion agreement.Report

  7. Saul Degraw
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    Did my comment go to mod again for an accurate description of Trump but one not made in dulcet tea party language?Report

  8. Saul Degraw
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    It is something to see people who know Trump is bad and dangerous, see the GOP getting crazier as discussed here, but they still can’t bring themselves to simply write or argue “vote for the Democrats, its important” because despite clear-eyed views on Trump and the GOP, they still think the Democrats are secret Maoists who want to enforce mandatory genderqueer in elementary school or something like that.Report

    • Christopher Bradley in reply to Saul Degraw
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      This right here. However, now youre gonna get 1000 bad libertarian-type takes about how the lesser of two evils is still evil blah blah blah.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Saul Degraw
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      I’ve become convinced that most of them are stuck at the rage stage of grief for the GOP. A few may have made it to bargaining, but none are near acceptance.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Philip H
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        Jennifer Rubin has largely become a moderate Democrat/liberal. Most of the writers at the Bulwark have done the same. Bobo and Brent Stephens at the Times state they are people without a party. But you are probably correct for the most part including some posters and writers here.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw
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      What has surprised me is to discover that most of the conservatives don’t actually think that we are secret Maoists.

      It is enough for them that we want queer and nonwhite people treated equally as full citizens, that they will knowingly choose a dictatorship over living with us.

      Like, those memes floating around of “This is the world liberals want” and it is nothing more shocking than easily available abortion and where a purple haired lesbian is allowed to walk around freely.

      Or like those threads where I asked for their vision of a liberal dystopia and got just a bunch of “Well, the economy would be worse” type of comments.

      Or any Trump speech where his list of grievances is stuff like low flow toilets.

      Conservatives use belligerent victimhood because they don’t have the real thing so they have to invent persecution to justify their own.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Chip Daniels
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        Conservatives use belligerent victimhood because they don’t have the real thing so they have to invent persecution to justify their own.

        They also don’t have a positive vision of America to offer, nor coherent policies to get us there. And they know it.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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        Or like those threads where I asked for their vision of a liberal dystopia and got just a bunch of “Well, the economy would be worse” type of comments.

        Here was *MY* idea of a Progressive Dystopia, for the record.

        It opens by acknowledging that one woman’s dystopia is another woman’s utopia and so it’s possible to paint a picture of a dystopia and get someone to say “but that sounds great!”

        I mean, my sister is always cold. *ALWAYS*. You know those cars that have buttwarmers? She uses hers all the time. She uses it in July. (Doctor told her that she has an iron thingy. She’s getting it treated but, even so, she’s still always cold.)

        If she were in charge of the temperature in my house, I am sure that I would constantly complain about how hot it was, complain about the heating bills, so on and so forth. As it is, she lives in her house and I live in mine.

        Private utopias.

        But, anyway, my dystopia didn’t talk about the economy.Report

        • Saul Degraw in reply to Jaybird
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          On the one hand, Trump is calling for open murder of people he sees as his opponents and DeSantis wasted hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to go after a small, artsy college to own the libs. On the other hand, Jaybird’s sister might have to put on a sweater because liberals are concerned about climate change and want to staunch the bleeding as much as possible when it comes to unprecedented wildfires and flooding.Report

          • CJColucci in reply to Saul Degraw
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            Back on the 2020 thread, Jaybird said he would link to it when the topic came up again. At the time, I advised that people not take the bait when he did that.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw
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            “I asked for an example of X and all of the examples had Y.”
            “I gave an example of X and it didn’t touch on Y. It talked about Z.”
            “WHAT ABOUT TRUMP”Report

            • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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              the issue here is that you sister having to wear a sweater because of an iron deficiency doesn’t rise to the level of dystopia we’d expect when our policies are flogged as creating a dystopian hell. She’s clearly got good health care access to have it treated – a great many Americans don’t.

              So we asked for examples of X. We got what reads as an example of eggplant, and you aren’t often willing to connect the dots clearly until we are a 100 or so comments in.

              That’s why many of us consider your commenting bad faith trolling.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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                “This isn’t a dystopia! I think it’s just fine!”
                “Well, I don’t.”
                “You’re a freaking troll. Nobody has a problem with this but you.”
                “I know of others who have problems with it.”
                “Name them.”
                “Here’s an article I found after googling for 2 seconds.”
                “Whoever wrote that did it anonymously.”

                And over and over and over again.

                “Just because there is an entire subculture out there dedicated to gaslighting you doesn’t mean you live in a hellworld!”
                “I didn’t say it was a hellworld. I called it a dystopia.”
                “It’s not a dystopia at all. I rather like it.”
                “Yeah.”Report

          • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw
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            It could be worse than having to put on a sweater. She might have to get around by public transportation. That would be horrible.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Jaybird
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          It’s been about a year since Chip said that he didn’t believe in intellectually honest debate for the, I don’t know, eleventh time, and it finally sunk in for me that he meant it. I see comments like his and I want to correct them, but then I remember the years I spent correcting them and him ignoring it.

          To Saul’s comment: at least half of what the Republicans believe is correct, which is way more than the Democrats, and the Republicans’ actions are less or equally as abhorrent as the Democrats’. I mean, likely the only reason the Democrats are supporting Ukraine is because this happened on Biden’s watch, and your allies stepped away from free trade before mine did.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Pinky
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            Care to tell us which half of Republican beliefs are correct?

            I mean, likely the only reason the Democrats are supporting Ukraine is because this happened on Biden’s watch, and your allies stepped away from free trade before mine did.

            Because Democratic support of both Gulf wars and Afghanistan for close to two decades was what exactly?Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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          That thread is the one I was thinking about, that produced no plausible examples of persecution of conservatives.

          Yet conservatives are, this very day, using some imaginary dystopia to bray for a dictator to punish their enemies.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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            Oh, that’s the dystopia you imagine others would imagine? “Where people like that would be persecuted”?

            I imagine that my thread was confusing, then.

            “That’s not a dystopia!”, I could see you saying (under those circumstances).

            And I look forward to you saying, again, “like those threads where I asked for their vision of a liberal dystopia and got just a bunch of “Well, the economy would be worse” type of comments” and having no recollection of the one that I described.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Saul Degraw
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      There’s a difference between “Trump is dangerous, it’s important to vote for Biden” (I agree with this btw), and “vote for the Democrats because every member of the GOP is Trump-ish”.

      The first is a fact, the second is nut picking.Report

  9. Saul Degraw
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    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1709246053977833828?s=20

    Trump is apparently having a real meltdownReport

  10. LeeEsq
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    The old guard of the Republican Party thought they could harness the power of the crazies but ultimately control them. Like in many cases in history, they turned out to be very wrong. The crazies will eventually seize control.Report

  11. Philip H
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    The Motion to Table has failed 208-218. McCarthy lost 11 Republicans. His Speakership may well be done. Proving – again – that giving in to toddlers and terrorists gets you nowhere.Report

  12. LeeEsq
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    Judge Engoron placed a gag order on Trump for his attacks on Engoron’s clerk Allison Greenfield.Report

  13. Philip H
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    And just as a marker – McCarthy has been ousted as Speaker.Report

  14. M. Cardholder
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    Getting older has for me, politically, meant going further to the left. But that’s also been matched up with meeting a decent number of people who actually seem to fall under the small “c” conservative label – valuing incremental change, wanting to preserve the accomplishments of constitutional democracy, and very much wanting avoid jumping off a variety of political, social, and economic deep ends.
    I disagree more and more with the specifics of what frequently comes out of this orientation, but I can see it as legitimate, and at the very least not just as euphemistic code for being incredibly willing to put people up against a wall.
    All of that said, I don’t see remotely how small c conservatism is meaningfully represented in Conservative politics, which at this point, seems to be all about putting people against a wall. And as the post points out, there really is NO euphemism about that being used anymore.Report

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